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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: jakgene on September 24, 2010, 03:08:30 AM
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Bought these recently as I recognised the label as the same as a perfume bottle I have, but didn't know what pattern they were.
With the aid of Mark Hill's great book I think I have identified them as Kyoto Goblets, one each of Cherry and Pine colours. Can anyone confirm if that is correct? The book also says they are not found often, and I have searched the internet and not found a photo of them anywhere, nor any past or present listings on Ebay. So are they really rare? How careful do I need to be when sipping my Bailey's from one? ;D
a very pleased JAK
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Yes Kyoto Pine and Kyoto Cherry, the range was made for six years so not as rare as some. Glasses do tend to be much harder to find than other items in the ranges, as to how rare I don't know. You could ask Ron Wheeler at Artius Glass.
In my opinion they are far too small for Baileys, surely a half pint mug is required? :D
John
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Thanks for the suggestion John - I have just sent an email to Ron Wheeler. Will see what he says.
As for the Baileys - I only like to drink out of quality glass - but like to keep the bottle handy for refills! !
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Definitely Kyoto, one pine, one cherry. Not a shadow of a doubt.
(I suppose if it's Biley's you're drinking, you do need something of class to offset it..... >:D )
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Never tried Bileys will have one today then i can give my opoinion on it . ;D :ooh:
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reply received very kindly and promptly from Ron at Artius Glass
""Hello Jackie
Right, quite straightforward actually.
Kyoto was a range designed for the Japanese market as well as for general release in 1982 It was primarily intended to appeal to the Japanese market and to be shown at an exhibition in Japan in that year. The colourways were dictated by the rim colour of green(Pine - as yours) and cherry (Pink) as they were favoured Japanese plants.
The goblets are very scarce as the studio is not geared up to make pieces with stems, which is more akin to classical glass making such as crystal. Consequently they take more time and then as a result they are expensive. The upshot of this is that a high retail price meant the the sales were slow and limited. Hence scarcity and now high value. Seems complicated but obvious when you know the reasons !
So your goblet was made until 1985 as part of the original Kyoto range when the design was changed to its detriment and the goblet was dropped. The New Kyoto range continued until 1988 when it was finally discontinued.
Now this item was made in two sizes and yours is the smaller of the two . Anyway they would now be valued at £65 -£70 for the smaller and £79 - £80 for the larger. They were never listed with exact measurements but equated more or less with traditional white wine and red wine sizes. We had one of the larger ourselves recently which was sold to one of our avid collectors.
Hope that is of some help.""
Nice to know. I bought them from someone here in Australia, but on the East Coast, so perhaps they came in from Japan - or out here with a migrant English family. Either way I am pleased to own them.
(and don't drink all the Baileys - leave some for me!)
JAK