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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: -JJH- on September 26, 2010, 04:09:34 PM
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Hello all, again.
I got excellent help from this forum just a couple of days ago, with my carnival glass items. Being such a flea-market digger, I found another item today - I had to take it with me, though I could not identify it.
So, anyone, what can you tell me about the item in the picture. To help id, here are some physical dimensions and info:
- height 6 cm
- max. outer diameter 13 cm
- opening diameter app. 11.5 cm
http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo263/jarnoharma/Photo_bowl.jpg
All help is appreciated!
-JJ-
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That's one of those "unknown manufacturer" carnival glass items. If you make your subject line more informative, you will get more hits.
For example, Small, plain carnival glass bowl for ID
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Subject tweaked
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Actually, I think what you have may be a Northwood NW301 bowl in Marigold.... I could not find any info on measurements for the Northwood piece, but the shape and rib design look to be the same. Your piece is not in stretch though, simply Marigold Carnival.
You can see a small pic of one on the page at the link below... Upper left corner in Blue. Someone else may be better equipped to confirm or deny my suspicion.
Click Here
(http://www.shetlarglass.com/stretchglass/SGCompanies/Northwood/Northwood2.htm)to be magically transported to another internet page!!
Craig
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Hmm, that's interesting because Glen told me a while ago that this one hadn't been ID'd. AKA Barbella apparently. They're very common in the UK
Here's some more, but to my way of thinking the arches of interior ribs on my bowl don't go quite so near the top rim; so I still have doubts
http://www.carnivalheaven.com/carnivalglass103/id28.htm
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Lustrousstone - thank you for pointing out the importance of subject field. I somehow overlooked this...also, thanks for Anne for editing the subject.
I browsed through the links that you all gave here. But, in my opinion, the NW301 bowl seems to be more 'open' than my item (my bowl has max. outer diameter at the 'waist' of the bowl, not at the top - if you know what I mean). On the other hand, the interior ribs and the marigold color shade seem both to have a lot of similarities with Northwood items.
One more important information might be (noticed this while taking one more look at the bowl), that the outer surface has 'polished' surface, but the bowl inner surface feels like 'sandblasted' or 'etched' surface.
Edited: how about NW 662, though without the base? ( http://www.shetlarglass.com/stretchglass/SGCompanies/Northwood/Northwood8.htm )
-JJ-
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See here http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,3971.0.html
Hopefully, Glen will look in and let us know if she has an update.
The 6662 Northwood rays are still much nearer the top.
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I have seen very many examples of this bowl in the UK, over the past 25 plus years. It's a Smooth Panel / Wide Panel / Wide Rib concept in its design. I have two of them myself, although mine are slightly flared out and not cupped in like yours, JJ. In fact there's at least one on eBay UK right now.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200524241506
I really don't feel that it is a Northwood piece (I have the "Barbella" / "Apple Blossom" bowl which I believe is the same as the NW 301 mentioned above). My feeling is that it is more likely to be a later item (maybe 1920s, 1930s) and possibly by Lancaster or Imperial or Dugan-Diamond . . . I'm guessing. I don't know for certain. Hopefully somebody can give us a firm and definitive attribution.
Glen
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Glen, that eBay items is similar to mine, even the diameter mentioned in description seems to match. eBay app. 6 inches, my item is 13 cm - fairly close match.
I'll try to check out those hints you gave me (Lancaster, Imperial and Dugan-Diamond).
Thank you!
-JJ-
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I would be interested in seeing an image of the bowl with an angle much more similar to those on the site I referenced. NW662 does seem more similar to me, but a different angle would let me see rib structure better, as lighting and angle could be causing the ribs to looks slightly different. An image at the same or close angle would be great. It would also allow us to see the curve of the sides better.
The ebay piece, at least to me, seems to have the ribs stop quite short of the rim, where this piece appears to have them fade, but not stop..... Personally, although similar, I do not think these are the same piece.....
The difference in appearance of the ribs could also be a byproduct of the color difference between the subject bowl and the example on the site.
Craig
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JJ's bowl is the same as the ebay one and mine; they have to be one of the most common pieces of carnival found in the UK.
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Here's a photo of my Northwood 301 (this example is called "Apple Blossom" by Carnival collectors because of its enamelled design). The measurements given for this bowl by Dave Shetlar & John Madeley are:
4 1/2 inches wide, 2 1/4 inches high.
I have studied #662 in my "Stretch Glass" book where the images are much bigger - it appears to have more panels / "optic rays" than JJ's bowl. The measurements of that cupped bowl are:
7 5/8 inches wide, 3 1/2 inches high.
Now here are two photos of my marigold bowl. It is flared, as you can see. The diameter is 7 inches (17.5 cm); the height is a shade over 3 inches (8 cm); the collar base / marie is just under 3 ½ inches (8.5 cm).
Glen
Photos below:
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JJ's bowl is the same as the ebay one and mine; they have to be one of the most common pieces of carnival found in the UK.
I do agree with Christine 100% on this statement.
I also feel that my marigold bowl is not Northwood. It simply doesn't have the quality.
Glen
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My bowl is 6 1/8 inches wide and 3 inches tall. The marie is 3 3/8 inches.
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Whatever it is and who made it i like it :thup:
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JJ's bowl is the same as the ebay one and mine; they have to be one of the most common pieces of carnival found in the UK.
Interesting - a very common marigold carnival piece, but at the same time it seems that the manufacturer is unknown :huh:
-JJ-
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Interesting - a very common marigold carnival piece, but at the same time it seems that the manufacturer is unknown
Common unidentifiable glass of all sorts is very common indeed. :24: :24: :24: