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Title: Enamelled and flashed glasses . ID and date please ..Victorian or earlier?
Post by: david31162 on September 26, 2010, 08:01:25 PM

I bought these as part of a collection. All of which seem to link to each other in different ways..2 or 3 basic shapes, some emamelled, some bucket shaped,some plain, some engraved . I wonder if they were embellished at a later date. One very different beaker is engraved similarly and has an engraved name and is dated 1877.
I had a feeling these were earlier. Somewhere in my brain I have a Newcastle 1820/1830. This must be from an image I've seen somewhere but can no longer find.
 I assume the completely red glass is termed 'flashed' but the others appear the same colour but brush applied, so this would be termed as enamelled.
The largest of these is just over 9cm tall.
http://www.photobox.co.uk/album/hosted/498766260
Any help much appreciated.
David

Title: Re: Enamelled and flashed glasses . ID and date please ..Victorian or earlier?
Post by: Ivo on September 26, 2010, 08:15:27 PM

The photographs do not load so I only saw the small versions - but they seem to show typical Bohemian ruby flash items from the 1870s/1880s. They were factory decorated, not later. Flashing is a very thin glass layer, easily removed by etching to produce something that looks like "cut-to-clear" but is a lot cheaper.  Usually these are part of a set : decanter + six glasses on a tablet. And often, only one or two of the glasses survive.

Title: Re: Enamelled and flashed glasses . ID and date please ..Victorian or earlier?
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 26, 2010, 09:17:53 PM

This is the link for enlargeable pictures http://www.photobox.co.uk/album/498766260

Title: Re: Enamelled and flashed glasses . ID and date please ..Victorian or earlier?
Post by: david31162 on September 26, 2010, 09:26:58 PM

Thanks Ivo,
Sorry about the link..it works for me when I press the thumbnail. Thank you Lustrousstone , you beat me to the solution.
I know what you mean Ivo, I had previously equated flashed red and engraved glass with Bohemia, but there is something different about these, they are more crude and there are undecorated ones..they look earlier and English to me. What about the brush applied ones? Are they also similar to bohemian ones? I'll have to look again for the references that i know I've seen before.
David

Title: Re: Enamelled and flashed glasses . ID and date please ..Victorian or earlier?
Post by: Anne on September 26, 2010, 09:42:23 PM

David, I've removed the HTML code from your link as well as it's disabled on the board. Just paste the URL into the message and the board should parse it for you without needing the HTML.

Title: Re: Enamelled and flashed glasses . ID and date please ..Victorian or earlier?
Post by: Ivo on September 27, 2010, 06:33:30 AM

still will not load. It says "loading" and hangs. Anyway, I'm pretty sure they're not English.

Title: Re: Enamelled and flashed glasses . ID and date please ..Victorian or earlier?
Post by: david31162 on September 27, 2010, 07:50:51 PM

Sorry Ivo, Hope this works better.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/david-dj/flash%20enamelled/th_DSC05419.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v210/david-dj/flash%20enamelled/?action=view&current=DSC05419.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/david-dj/flash%20enamelled/th_DSC05418.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v210/david-dj/flash%20enamelled/?action=view&current=DSC05418.jpg)

This is'nt the reference i mentioned but it does show some of the similarites
http://www.antique-glass.co.uk/Smaller_collectable.htm

Title: Re: Enamelled and flashed glasses . ID and date please ..Victorian or earlier?
Post by: Ivo on September 27, 2010, 08:09:52 PM

much better, thanks. It is still Bohemian mid- to late 19th century.