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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on September 28, 2010, 07:03:17 PM

Title: id request for 'dot compostion' clear vase ID = Rindskopf
Post by: Paul S. on September 28, 2010, 07:03:17 PM
an unusual (unbalanced?) pressed clear vase with typical older style of ground outer rim to base, which showing some reasonable wear.  Height 5"/125mm.    This 'dot compostion' - especially with the concentric circles on the base, shows up in some Finnish factories (Nuutajarvi and Riihimaaein Lasi) and is not too dissimilar to some Czechoslvakian designs.   I have looked through my books, but didn't see this particular pattern - despite the very individual looking design, so if anyone can help, I'd be very grateful (knowing me, I may well have missed it) :)     thanks   Paul S.      
Title: Re: id request for 'dot compostion' clear vase
Post by: Paul S. on October 13, 2010, 04:30:22 PM
have now found an id for this piece, whilst in pursuit of something else :)    Would appear to be Rindskopf from somewhere between 1920 and their bankruptcy in late 1927, and is described as a 'Sellerieglaser' (apologies as the 'a' should have two dots and I don't know how to).   Of all the shapes of Celerys I have seen this must be one of the more unusual.    However, I would appreciate a second opinion please, so if anyone has the book, it is on page 123 - row three - the size is about right at 13cms.
Ref. 'Collectable Bohemian Glass  1880 - 1940.......Robert & Deborah Truitt.   1995.

I was unable to see the piece in any of Pamela's sites, including the Master Books.      thanks for looking and any confirmation appreciated. :)
Title: Re: id request for 'dot compostion' clear vase
Post by: pamela on October 13, 2010, 06:12:49 PM
 :hiclp:

Paul, my copy of Rindskopf pattern book 1936 is very small and poor quality, but now, as I see your picture of the celery, would confirm :
Rindskopf 1936 page 157 # 8303 13 cms

It does not appear in earlier catalogues found so far.

avoid the dots by typing 'ae' - Sellerieglaeser, same as ö = oe and ü = ue  ;)
Title: Re: id request for 'dot compostion' clear vase
Post by: Paul S. on October 13, 2010, 06:32:28 PM
many thanks Pamela  -  but in my ignorance I assumed that Rindskopf disappeared after the bankruptcy of 1927  -  but you are saying it is in their 1936 catalogue.    Therefore, I assume then that they continued in some guise or other - yes??
Thanks re the umlaut  -  will try to remember. :)
Title: Re: id request for 'dot compostion' clear vase
Post by: obscurities on October 13, 2010, 07:19:11 PM
Paul, If your memory fails you, bookmark this page.....  I don't use some of them often enough to recall all of them....

http://www.alt-codes.net/

Craig

Title: Re: id request for 'dot compostion' clear vase
Post by: pamela on October 13, 2010, 07:25:44 PM
 :hi: Paul, this is how it came in PK 2004-1:

http://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/archiv/pdf/pk-2004-1w-03-mb-rindskopf-1936.pdf

1934? 1936?  :pb:
Title: Re: id request for 'dot compostion' clear vase
Post by: yesvil on October 13, 2010, 08:05:06 PM
The base is very similar to my one here:

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,35784.msg194407.html#msg194407
Title: Re: id request for 'dot compostion' clear vase
Post by: pamela on October 13, 2010, 08:47:27 PM
That small jug is Rindskopf then also, same catalogue, page 149 creamer # 8292 size 1/5 l ? (200 ml), and sugar bowl # 8291 Ø 12 cms

Thank you both for the photos!!

And I lift my hat, Mr. and Mrs. Truitt!

 :sun:
Title: Re: id request for 'dot compostion' clear vase
Post by: Paul S. on October 13, 2010, 09:18:04 PM
Craig, wonderful information  -  many thanks, and I will try some of those out tomorrow. :)

Pamela  -  Don't have time to digest much of your link tonight  -  but was going to make a joke about something on the top of page 4, but I am trying to grow up, honestly.      However, just to say that I do notice half way down it does say ... "1927 - Bankrott".

Anyway, as usual Pamela, thanks for your help.  :)   Paul S.
Title: Re: id request for 'dot compostion' clear vase ID = Rindskopf
Post by: Mosquito on December 03, 2010, 08:21:23 PM
Has anyone noticed how similar this vase is to R. Lalique's Meudon pattern? Just saw this on ebay & was sure it was the same Rindskopf vase with a fake mark added - looking closely however, the Lalique version has no dots on the base. The vases look virtually identical otherwise - I wonder which one came first?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200550577082
Title: Re: id request for 'dot compostion' clear vase ID = Rindskopf
Post by: Anne E.B. on December 04, 2010, 10:25:38 AM
Thanks to Paul for posting and to Pamela :hiclp: for helping me ID my lovely jug - seen on the link given - Rindskopf 1934 (unable to make out the numbers underneath tho)
Title: Re: id request for 'dot compostion' clear vase ID = Rindskopf
Post by: pamela on December 04, 2010, 12:04:39 PM
 :hi: Anne, 8204 N - 1 litre I'd say  :sg:
Title: Re: id request for 'dot compostion' clear vase ID = Rindskopf
Post by: Anne E.B. on December 04, 2010, 03:28:24 PM
One litre exactly  :cheers:
Many thanks Pamela :thup:  I really must get some new reading glasses ::)
Title: Re: id request for 'dot compostion' clear vase ID = Rindskopf
Post by: Paul S. on December 04, 2010, 03:55:28 PM
congratulations Anne (E.B.) :) - think I can just about make out the No. below (using a lens up against the pc screen) - although the shape of the handle is the clincher (don't think any of the others have quite that high a looped handle.  Nice water jug.
Steven  -  I have re-checked my Celery - and no, it doesn't have a French name underneath ;D     The similarity tho is amazing, and don't know whether it is significant or not, but on the Rindskopt one the rings of 'dots' are more 'tooth like' in shape, rather than actually round - as they appear (to me) on the Meudon example.    However, this may just be a quirky effect on mine.    I take it that the French one is pressed also.
Whilst browsing a favourite bric a brac emporium in Brighton the other day, I noticed a pair of these Celery's - although didn't even bother to pick them up as just assumed they were Rindskopf  -  but think I now ought to go back quickly and double check. :)