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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: dinklepip on October 02, 2010, 01:18:52 PM
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9.5" fishy, which has a Salviati look about it. Don't think it is that old though as the base has no scratches on. I am assuming Venetian?
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Not an expert but I'd say Murano and the folded foot looks like a Salviati (probably) piece I have ;D
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Definitely Venetian. Probably 19th Century Salviati & Co. There is a similar gold in clear glass fish on page 178 of Osborne's Venetian Glass of the 1890's, Salviati at Sanford University. The one in the book has a serpent handle, but the design of the fish and the curve of the vessel is the same.
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so I do a Salviati piece then, can't understand why I wasn't outbid on this :hiclp:
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can't understand why I wasn't outbid on this :hiclp:
Sometimes we just get lucky... it is the reward for all of the time we invest and sometimes it just happens..... It is what will keep you looking!!
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I'm sorry not to be able to agree with the consensus on this one.
I am most disturbed by the use of frit for colour and the opaque yellow of the eye strikes me as a modern colour.
It's my understanding that this style of item has been made almost continuously in Murano for more than 100 years, enjoying a particular revival in the 50s and early 60s. However, for the reasons given I am personally suspicious that this is not a Murano made item at all.
Just to note also that older (say Victorian and thereabouts) pieces of this style should be as light as a feather.
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Salviati and Barovier (sometimes together) often had color inclusions in their early glass, so this wouldn't be unusual. I do have to say that I often am very hesitant about Venetian glass pieces such as this because they have been emulated so often. Some of their descendents are very good, so I have difficulty distinguishing. Perhaps Alex will be along soon to add an opinion on the age of the glass.
Someone sent me a picture of a similar piece for attribution in an email last night. Her piece was yellow with a serpent handle. But again there was deviation from the picture that I had of the Salviati & Co vessel. It can be very difficult to know if an object is a variation on a theme or if differences indicate a reproduction (or should I say, a piece that is inspired by something that came before).
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it weighs 550gm Paradise
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Sometimes we just get lucky... it is the reward for all of the time we invest and sometimes it just happens..... It is what will keep you looking!!
I never get lucky though :24: :24:
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I have my doubts on age though, it can't be that old surely because the base as absolutely no wear at all
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Everything looks right for it to be Salviati, IMO. The crimps and tooling of the fins, the melted color inclusions, the flow of the piece look right. I don't think wear is a good indicator on this type of piece because of the way it is built. If it has been handled carefully enough not to break the delicate applied glass, I wouldn't expect wear. My only concern is the weight of the glass. I've not handled any of these type vases, so I'm not sure what they "should" weigh.
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Perhaps I am overly cautious, picky, negative but I do not believe 90+% of "early" / 19th century claims in this style of Venetian glass..
I am hard put to find or think of any quality Murano where powers or frits are used to colour pieces with the exception the very fine, subtle and scarce polveri pieces, of which this does not belong. I would be happily proved wrong with some reliably attributed examples. I am not including gold, sliver, mica and adventurine inclusions which are of course quite common, nor granizioli where the frits are largely external.
Here the frits are sparse, uneven, multi coloured and not well marvered in. It looks sloppy to my eye.
It should weigh less than half that for early production.