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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: antiquerose123 on October 04, 2010, 08:57:42 PM
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:hi: there:
I just got this today. It is HUGE. Weighs lots. There is wear on the base, and I have no idea. The base is kinda loped, and swirled -- so I am ???. Must weigh like 4 pounds (as a guess). Quite the size, and quite striking...
(JIP = Jack-in-The-Pulpit) definition ;)
~ 13.5 inches tall to the top
~ The Pulpit Flower length itself is like 11 inches long
~ The Pulpit Flower width is like 7 inches long
~ The Base is about 4.5 inches wide
Any ideas? I can not find nothing. I think it is a quality piece, and not :or: as it appears to be made quiet well.
Help? Any ideas....
** I will be attaching *additional photos*, just in case that *may* help....
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** additional pics, and of base ** :X: :X:
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Hi there -- I have been
rooting around....Er....I mean looking around on the net here for all sorts of things, and I have drawn a blank.
Now just about the time I was ready to give up for anything even slightly close to this, I stubbed upon this.
Mod: Suspect link removed. See further down for legitimate links with similar information.
Scroll down that link, on LEFT SIDE, 14TH picture there :huh:
Now I know that attributions can be wrong on sites, but someone *help* me out with this -- as I seemed to have found (????) A picture of a Murano JIP Vase that looks like mine......at least I think, IMHO.. :-\
So please help. Could this be Murano? Is that attribution correct there on the link as all the looking I did not find a thing, until I was about to give up....and stumbled on that link.
So could this be? Anyone seen one like this? Anyone know if it is, who is the maker, and the year made..... :X: ......or is it :or: ?
Help ---- TIA
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The vase does look like yours, doesn't it? I didn't know the source of your vase. I thought it looked like it might be from Mexico or the American Southwest. I didn't suspect Murano, but then what did I know?
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Sorry Rose, I do think it's Chinese.
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Sorry Rose, I do think it's Chinese.
Hi -- To me it seems like it is made very well, and very heavy. Not that it might still be :or: but it just seems to be made rather well. When I first saw it - I thought maybe Chalet, or Lorraine Glass -- but I could not find anything like it. The lady I got it from said she had for years (??). The glass seems to not have hardly any bubbles (like I seen in other Chinese stuff - but then I have been fooled too) and the glass seems to be high quality....
Not sure if Lorraine Glass or Chalet made any JIP ....??
?? ...but then, what do I know. There does seem to be wear on the bottom....Maybe Chinese (80's) then?? It is still quite a magnificent piece I must say. Maybe something will yet turn up ...... on a site that is more reputable. I was wondering IF that was the :huh: site or not that I read somewhere before. :ha:
Ahhh...win some, and lose some.....still I will keep my :X: crossed, and my eyes open wide...... :24:
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I think a lot of Chinese glass can be very well made - one of the big giveaways it the very bright colours - and the abundance of them.
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I think a lot of Chinese glass can be very well made - one of the big giveaways it the very bright colours - and the abundance of them.
:cry: :cry: Just Kidding, I can still live with it. It is still nice. ;D
Guess we gotta remember that :or: stuff (if from the 70's or 80's) is getting some age to.....and maybe they did make the stuff a bit better then, not like now (maybe)?? LOL Think Positive...
** Sorry about that link (I thought I had read that before, so sorry).but that was the only one pic I found.
Why is it there :no: if it is such a site copied ?? Can't anything be done??
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I found the same vase as yours and your link at http://home.earthlink.net/~verredart5/glass/JIP.html. Is this site by the same person as the one that did the JIP site? The verredart site also has it listed as Murano.
(It was great to talk to you on the phone today. It took me a moment to get my wits about me. I would have called you back, but the number didn't register.)
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I found the same vase as yours and your link at http://home.earthlink.net/~verredart5/glass/JIP.html. Is this site by the same person as the one that did the JIP site? The verredart site also has it listed as Murano.
(It was great to talk to you on the phone today. It took me a moment to get my wits about me. I would have called you back, but the number didn't register.)
:hiclp: :hiclp: Thanks for that Link TxSilver -- Yes, those DO look like Mine. The one that is listed as "Murano - Double teardrop Pansy Vase Circa 1965" looks exactly like mine. It says 12.5 inches there, and I measured mine at 13.5 inches, but maybe with the extension of the glass sticking out some -- my measurements (might) be a bit wrong :-\
Yes that looks exactly like it. Of course it would be much better to be Murano :thup: than :or: Right ? :24:
So who's site is that one? Is this site more reliable than the other one....or what? It seems that this link that TxSilver posted (is, or should be) more reputable? As they have quite a few more pics, and have circa dates for the items listed there ----- While that other site only have some pics, and no circa date.
I always assume if people have mentioned a Circa date, that they have did some research -- otherwise why bother even mentioning it at all. Only those that do research, think about mentioning a circa date. I know that is not a rule of thumb, but to me when you stick your neck out to use the word CIRCA then you have did some homework. Maybe that is the wrong attitude to have.......but most people would just say *made around the 60's or so era*... so keeping my fingers :X:
( :hi: TxSilver -- nice to talk to you for the few moments today. Love your accent, but then you probably thought I had an accent too, EH ? )
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Aw, shucks, ma'am. I ain't got no accent.
I found a Ji Co vase similar to yours on Shandiane's Blanco Glass site (http://gallery.blancoglass.com), but the foot was wrong and the JI Co's rim was scissor cut in two places. It did make me think that there is a possibility yours is Murano.
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LOL......eh?
So what is the verdict on this link that TxSilver posted -- that looks like it has the same vase, exactly...
http://home.earthlink.net/~verredart5/glass/JIP.html
What the consequences to that link.....as to Murano.
Those JI.Co seem very similar.....as an influence. Oh I hope it turns out good :X:
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That site is generally more reliable.
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But, I'm afraid, the bit on the second site, looks quite superior to yours, Rose. The colours are worked in in a far more delicate way and the rim is a completely different shape. It's a lot less blobby than yours.
The jury is still out. :huh:
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I am just trying to get the ID of this vase, and those were the only sites found (so far) with something close......be interesting if the ID can be figured out on this. Whether Murano, :or:, or EVEN some other glass maker.....as that could still be a possibility...Can't it?
I still think it is made quite well, and does have wear on the bottom....so it has to have some age to it.......Maybe some maker that we have not thought about yet ??
:huh:
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Just bumping for Rose :).
Anita, the JI import pieces on Shandiane's site seem to indicate that JI imports tended to be fairly cheap and cheerful - would that be right?
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JI Co imported good and bad glass, Cathy, but it was all reasonably priced. Most of the JI Co glass I've held has been good quality. It feels and looks good. Vases that look similar to Rose's are in this good group. JI Co also imported glass that wasn't so good. The other day I ran into a piece that was just about as junky feeling as the bad stuff from China. It was one of JI Co's bird bowls. It was hard to believe that it was Murano and imported by the same company.
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JI Co imported good and bad glass, Cathy, but it was all reasonably priced. Most of the JI Co glass I've held has been good quality. It feels and looks good. Vases that look similar to Rose's are in this good group. JI Co also imported glass that wasn't so good. The other day I ran into a piece that was just about as junky feeling as the bad stuff from China. It was one of JI Co's bird bowls. It was hard to believe that it was Murano and imported by the same company.
Hi there-
I tried this ----> I put mine on the screen with a split screen from the other one on the site of http://home.earthlink.net/~verredart5/glass/JIP.html and to me they look pretty close.
Also...I might try taking some other pics, as my pics might not be a *bright* as the one from that link -- nor my camera might not be as high as quality (cheaper digital camera) than that one. One more thing....I think my camera in NOT set on the highest standard for pics, as I do not need to take them that big (re: for an really clear image on a site).
So I might try some more photos --- but (might) the quality of camera, and the size of the pic (pixels) taken make the pic look a bit different?
That is why I tried it with a Split Screen on my Screen with both -- so that I could compare them side by each....
What the view IF you try this??
In the meantime, I will try some brighter pics, and larges pixels when I take the pic -- just to see IF it makes any difference in it at all...
Just thinking out loud here.... :-\ :spls:
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* More pics -- using big pixels when pic taken, brighter lights, and computer Brightness -- any difference ???? *
--- you decide ?? --- If the quality looks any different ?? :spls:
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No label on this * ONE Here - Click * (http://cgi.ebay.com/rare-fratelli-toso-apparenzia-murano-art-glass-vase-WOW-/230541431311?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35ad57120f) but I can see some similarities in it....just thought would add here.....as the Jury is still out on it... :thud:
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The eBay one isn't apparenza or even Fratelli Toso. It doesn't look a thing like apparenza. Some sellers! The vase does look like it could be one of the types that JI Co imported.
JI Co is complicated. I've seen paperweights with their label that were made by Fratelli Toso. I ran across something the other day that the merchant said was made by Archimede Seguso for JI Co. This information was supposed to be from the daughter of the owner of JI Co. She visited the group here once, but we haven't learned much more about her. She vanished as quickly as she came. Has anyone heard anymore about her?
So it seems that JI Co had its own factory but also contracted with other furnaces to make its imports. I've often wondered if the company that makes the glass that has the red or green "Genuine Venetian Glass" labels is the same that made some glass for JI Co. Some of the sommerso birds look so similar.
So the jury is still out. The answer is out there somewhere. My horse showed that it can turn up unexpectedly, sometimes just with a simple change in Google keywords. You have found a lot of things that indicate Murano is a good possibility. And I think your vase looks good enough for Murano to be a possibility.
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Hi there:
Could these *help* some -- and the stem is similar to mine, and these do have a JI.Co label on them.....so might this help some (for the jury.....LOL)
Ebay HERE, Labels, Click (http://cgi.ebay.ca/PAIR-MURANO-VENETIAN-ART-GLASS-VASES-W-LABEL-ITALY-/370301025341?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5637a93c3d)
Getting any closer -- maybe ???
:huh: :huh: :X:
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...da.....bump......
Know the jury is still out on this one -- but I did find some vases (not JIP) on Ebay *HERE (http://cgi.ebay.ca/PAIR-MURANO-VENETIAN-ART-GLASS-VASES-W-LABEL-ITALY-/330538595861?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf5a2b615) that also had a J.I Co label on them, so just throwing this out there on this one ----- as a (possible) possibility.... :spls2:
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