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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Animals & Figurines => Topic started by: rosieposie on October 09, 2010, 10:46:06 AM
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This seller has three pieces for sale on eBay at the moment......a little bird which I know not to be Langham, and two other pieces
listed as Langham but which I think may no be.
I asked for the signature to be shown and the seller has kindly done this for me.
The item is:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280570881414&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:GB:1123
I was hoping someone could identify the signature as I feel certain it isn't Langham.
So once again, a plea for help from the acknowledged experts. :thud:
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I'm not sure how Langham marked their other glass items but on their weights there is usually an impressed or I should describe it as embossed anogram of LG on the pontil. Latterly the pieces carried a paper label. I may be wrong but this is what I have found.
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That's also in neodymium glass I think, so unlikely for Langham
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An impressed LG is usually Liskeard Glass: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-1763 did Langham do something similar, if so can we have a photo please?
John
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Looking at the third photo it seems to me that the name is "Janette L" or perhaps "Monette L" - unfortunately I do not know anything about GB glass artists so I can not even guess a name.
Ross
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Firstly, I just want to say thank you for all the help that is coming through.... :kissy:
LG is Liskeard Glass so you are correct there John.
I did let the seller know these were Neodymium glass and not iridescent, and as you say, not a usual for Langham.
I collect Langham in bucketfulls, and the base is either blank, or has Langham England acid etched on the base. Much older pieces have the Langham Glass Blower logo acid etched to the base.
Langham labels are sometimes present if they haven't got worn or washed off and are of the glassblower on a black rectangle and a Union Flag.
The only artist signed pieces I have seen are those of Paul Miller ( Of which I am an avid collector). His signature takes two forms.....the older more deliberate writing....quite childish to look at, and the more up to date gentle script.....flowing and often difficult to see as it is very lightly written.
So I feel I really do know my Langham Glass and would love to know if anyone out there knows who made these....I TRULY don't think they are British glass....I would guess Murano or Scandinavian....please help???
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The duck and the dog both look Murano-ish. I suggest the sigs are previous owners
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My sincere apollogy, I was confusing the issue. LG anogram embossed on pontil is Liskeard glass and not Langham. Langham were marked on the base with an engraved name and later ones I believe had a stuck on label, or were all labelled as well as engraved?
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The duck sig looks like Zanetti L -- Licio Zanetti. It looks like Zanetti's work, too.
A few minutes later: I checked again to make sure. Definitely Zanetti.
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I checked the dog. It also looks like Licio Zanetti. I read that about the dog sig being posted to the duck. That's likely to confuse some people. I don't know who did the tweety bird. I've seen them a lot, but haven't paid much attention to them. They're cute, but I don't think one could consider them a masterpiece.
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Thank you all once again :hi:......I am so please they are as nice as I thought.....trouble is you will all want them now! :cry:
I think I have got another piece somewhere in my huge collection so I will have a look....yes, I have had to pack some away, but can't bear to part with them!!
So that leads me on to the next question.....any ideas about who makes really good display cabinets to take a collection of about 500 pieces!!!!?
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It has occurred to me about displaying in cabinets but to display paperweights I think that you would have to build one from reinforced concrete and thick bulletproof glass in order to take the weight! Other glass items are not so problematic.
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just for interests sake - and should anyone not know what the Langham marks/labels look like. Unfortunately, I don't have examples of both variations of Paul Miller's signature - and I assume that this one is Rosie's more recent 'gentle script'. Tragically, the 'Thrush' has some damage to its beak (not my fault).
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Thank you Paul, yes you are correct that is what I term his gentler script and I think it is a later date....it may be the constraints of the engraving tool used at the time. I have examples which I will add and also a picture of the acid etched glass blower from much earlier pieces.
BTW I don't know if you have noticed, but the Dog & Duck (sounds like a pub :24:!!) have been de-listed :cry: :cry:
Probably my fault as I told the seller what they were....others as well I would think. I do hope he relists, as I had bids on them!!
I will get onto listing those pics anyway. :sun:
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Rosie - have to admit that I know very little about Langham - full stop. :-[ Oddly, I come across vey little in my jaunts around the charity shops and boot sales - possibly not my cup of tea anyway - and I try not to collect birds and animals if I can help it, although the Thrush is attractive. Hence for me the Dog and Duck really is a pub :24: - however, look forward to your additional pics. :)
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Well my pics are too big to upload, so I have sent them to Anne and asked her to kindly list them for me.... ;D
You rarely find Langham Glass in Charity shops unless they are the chipped ones!! See you at the Dog & Duck then?:cheers:
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The dog and duck are Murano -- Licio Zanetti. Most people probably already knew who he was, but with the further talk of Langham, I thought I should point it out that he is Muranese.
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Anita - sorry if I was muddying the waters. Apologies.
Rosie - Are you not using Ifanview to re-size your pictures.? Quite simple really. :)
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Well, I haven't got Ifanview, but lets see if these work.......... :X:
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Never tell a seller what something is if you're bidding :wsh: Just keep your fingers crossed no one else does.
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Irfanview is available for free to download at: http://www.irfanview.com/
Carolyn
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I know that now Christine!! :pb:
He has relisted them and they are beyond my pocket now!! I wish I had done a buy it now when I was able to!! Still, they do say that honesty is the best policy and I feel good that at least I recognised quality!!
Thank you everyone for your help :kissy:.....now back to eBay to see new listings!! :sun:
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Sorry Rosie, I wasn't around yesterday to add your pics, :kissy: but well done on managing it yourself. :hiclp: Super clear marks! :rah:
I have a Langham bunny with an etched mark on the base which is hard to read let alone photograph: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-951. May we add your Langham marks to the GlassGallery English labels & marks album please? http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=536
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Rosie, you're a doll. My thoughts on this is that the seller was trying to pass off something as Langham, though there was no indication that it was. It didn't have the signature and didn't look like their work. Why be honest with someone who was not being honest with potential buyers -- either that or who did not do their homework. It was also not honest to cancel the auction when it had a bid on it made by the person who did the homework.
When I get a deal from someone who doesn't know what they're selling, I credit it to all the money I put into books and all the hours I put into looking. The sad thing is now you did the research and the seller gets the profit. The good thing is I'll be surprised if he sells Zanetti at that price on eBay, particularly not in the current market. The opening bids on the ended auctions were more realistic ones for the smaller, less complex Zanetti on eBay.
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Firstly, Anne, I have to confess it was my husband who did the pictures, so no credit to me at all....and yes of course you can add these to your gallery, and in just the same way as you have said I can always send pics to you for downsizing with out asking prior permission, so you may at any time use any pictures I send for the benefit of the GMB. :thup:
Now Anita, thank you kindly for calling me a doll....not a name ofter attributed to Grannies!! :hi:
You are absolutely correct in that the seller was trying to pass off something that wasn't Langham, and I did think he would let me know when he relisted, but hasn't had the courtesy to do that either. So we shall wait and see what transpires...... ::)
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Well my pics are too big to upload, so I have sent them to Anne and asked her to kindly list them for me.... ;D
You rarely find Langham Glass in Charity shops unless they are the chipped ones!! See you at the Dog & Duck then?:cheers:
So was this one for £2.50 a good buy?
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Yep!
But I think you must conceed it is rare to find them in Charity shops.
Anyway, your punishment for finding it is that you will have to move everything up a little bit to make room for it on the windowsill, and that means the dust will show, so you will have to take them all off, dust the sill, then dust all the others before you put them back!!
BTW, I'm not jealous :cry:
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Ouch! She/He has bumped the priced up :( I doubt she/he will sell it at that price with them pictures/context.
I'm not great with animals but I remember seeing this on live auctions http://www.liveauctioneers.com/sothebys/item/33794.
I hate charity shops I never come across anything I might give up on them.
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Ouch! She/He has bumped the priced up :( I doubt she/he will sell it at that price with them pictures/context.
I'm not great with animals but I remember seeing this on live auctions http://www.liveauctioneers.com/sothebys/item/33794.
That is a very good price for the dove. I did an auction search to get an idea of prices earned in recent years. One thing stuck out. When the winning bid was in euros, the price was high. When in dollars, low ($300 and less). Maybe I should send any future Zanetti pieces to European auction houses. There must be much appreciation for his work in Europe, more so than in the USA.