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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: 5kazam on October 25, 2010, 09:09:41 PM
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Can anyone give me further information about my decanter. I have seen the same shape on Antiques Roadshow and Bargain Hunt, and the 'experts' say it is Dutch style from the late 1800's. However, the only ones I have found on the internet put it as a Holmegaard Kluk Glug. I certainly haven't found anything on 'Dutch style'. Any info will be much appreciated.
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Hopefully photos will stay attached this time. Did get an error message from Internet Explorer, so am trying this method. Fingers crossed!! Didn't work. Internet Explorer says it can't display web page. So will send to Anne instead. Thanks for your help.
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Pics now added for you, shout if I can help further. :)
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The shape looks quite Norwegian to me, but it's impossible to say for sure as they were made - almost literally - everywhere, and for a very long time. It could, though, be just as easily European.
It's only around the 1950s that they became a niche thing in Scandinavia - the most prevalent producer being Holmegaard. But I think the squareness of the shape would discount Danish production.
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its called a " kuttrolf " - the stopper looks strange to me - normaly the holmegaard decanters have a ball shaped stopper .. !
The German name for these bottles is "Kuttrolf" a kind of bottle in which the neck consists of 5 or 6 twisted "pipes" which make the content of the bottle slowly pouring or dripping out with a clucking sound. The style has its roots in Roman times but was picked up by German glassblowers in the middle ages. It morphed from a twisted neck into the twisted body we see in pinch bottles of the early 19th century.
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I used to have a set of these with silver bands around the neck that had 1910s English hallmarks. I'd always assumed the glass was exported to GB.
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Thanks very much for your responses. I am beginning to think that my decanter may be from the late 1800's. I agree from what I have seen on the internet. that Holmegaard decanters have a ball shaped stopper. My one fits perfectly, and would appear to be the original stopper. So possibly with the comment that it appears to be too square for Holmegaard, it might be a much earlier one. If it should be, does anyone have any idea on what it would be worth? The Holmegaard's seem to sell (or at least the asking price is) over $50.00.
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Stevens & Williams called theirs Black Forest bottle, c1915, round stopper.
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Just to reiterate - many factories made these decanters into the 20th century, not just Holmegaard. And so that Holmegaard didn't make this would not automatically confer antiquity.
The clarity of the glass, in the images, looks firmly 20th century. In some of the photos the glass has a bright blue-ish tint when it catches the light - this would probably place it at mid-century, at least.
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Whilst cleaning my decanter recently, I noticed the number 70 etched on the pontel. A continental 7 I think, as it has a line through it (looks like a backward F). Does this give anybody further ideas as to its origin?
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Europe except UK & Eire.