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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: astrid on November 04, 2010, 01:51:14 PM
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It's not quite my area (but intriguing enough to buy anyway) - I have the feeling it might be Aseda because of the use of these clear glass protrusions reminds me somewhat of the Aseda Björn vases. So far I haven't been able to find this exact model, but I hope someone here can confirm my hunch that it is Aseda, probably 1950s-1960s?
I didn't bother to measure it, since I assume the pattern is obvious enough, but if you need them to confirm, please let me know.
Astrid
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I've measured it, it's about 18 cm high, about 16 cm wide, 4.5 cm wide across at the base. As the base was felted when I bought it, there isn't any wear visible (but it has some ancient looking dust - hard to remove - rubbed in between the protrusions, so I don't think it's very recent).
Maybe Swedish or Aseda is the wrong area to look in - any other thoughts or comments?
Astrid
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This vase below probably only adds to the mystery. There are stylistic similarities between this one and yours, but what is most striking, to me, at least, is that both pieces seem to be the same shade of blue and have the same gradation of colour. I've been reliably told that my vase isn't Czech, which leaves Scandinavian. I see another similarity between your piece and the Aseda decanters: the final layer of glass that doesn't cover the whole piece. Any Aseda lover out there?
http://picasaweb.google.com/lasilove/Unknown?pli=1#5496911937898044338
David
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Astrid, maybe a silly question but... has the inside of the neck been ground or polished so a stopper would fit?
John
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Not a silly question at all, John. I don't have many decanters myself, I tend to go for vases mostly, so it's hard to compare or to be sure, but the glass structure inside doesn't feel different from other areas of the vase. The opening (4 cm wide) curves and isn't at the same width long enough for a stopper, I think. There is no indication visually or by touching the inside that a stopper has every been there or was intended to go with the piece.
And thanks David for pointing out the similarities especially with the encasing layer not covering the entire piece. That's indeed an interesting characteristic. Between Czech and Scandinavian I contemplated German as an origin as well, but I have looked at lots of German glass in the past year and nothing remotely similar has crossed my line of sight. I'm glad that my hunch that it might be Scandinavian is at least shared.
Astrid
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By coincidence, I just found a good prospect (I hope): this particular vase might be German, Gral glas, by Konrad Habermeier.
I noticed this one when I was browsing this site: Mod: link removed as it's carrying a trojan drive by download, website owner has been notified and link will be restored once the site has been cleaned & checked
(scroll to the bottom). This collector is not always accurate with his attributions, but he does have a lot of German glass.
Anyway, the similarity I noticed was how the blue changed colour from dark at the top towards lighter at the bottom, and the way the clear encasing wasn't covering the entire piece.
So I searched for a bit online, and I found another that had a few similarities (blue from dark to light, patterns in clear encasing): http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5373714
I have seen some other examples from Habermeier in the 50s where he made patterns in encasing clear glass over a coloured interior.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find this specific vase or anything so similar that it would remove all doubt, but I hope that it is one step closer.
For those interested in Gral Glas, I also found a link to the Hentrich glas museum in Düsseldorf, where a Gral glas exhibit is scheduled for feb to may 2011 (as the Gral glas book is expected to be published in februari 2011 as well, that might be a deliberate combination).
Let me know what you think...
Astrid
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Hi Astrid, just a note of caution....my ESET Smart Security would not allow me to look at the first link in your last posting....it says there is a Trojan attached......just thought I should mention this.
I like yopur vase, there is something fishlike about it, but it isn't a fish....anyway, I am looking through some of my archives and if I come up with anything, I will post immediately.
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Well, I know the site in question is from a Dutch glass collector that I've met. I often browse his site, and I bought some vases of him in the spring. While of course you never can be entirely sure, I can't imagine there something being wrong with the site (unless it's been hacked?). My up to date Kapersky doesn't think anything is wrong.
I've created a link for just the picture of the vase in question of the first link, without the rest of the encoding, if you think your program is sufficiently warning you, could you perhaps check whether your program also objects to just the picture? It may be something in the site encoding that doesn't agree with some security programs. If you think it's too risky, simply ignore this...
http://artglassleiden.nl/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/IMG_6840.jpg
Astrid
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Hi again Astrid, yes your Kaspersky will neutralise the Trojan and let you through....ESET won't allow entrance but would let me look at the new picture. I mentioned the Trojan, as according to Microsoft, it is a real threat and not everyone has full protection.
Back to your lovely vase, Bo Borgstrom comes to mind.....is it worth your looking at some of his work? I think he designed for Aseda.
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As my Eset is also flagging it up as infected and as we've looked at the source code on a Linux machine and there is something on every page that we checked, the link has been removed and the website owner has been notified of the problem. I'd suggest than anyone who has visited that site from this topic runs a scan to make sure your pc is clean.
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Anne,
Would you be so kind to PM me the name of this Trojan so that I can look it up and see how I can interecept it manually? My scans do not seem to find anything, and Kaspersky didn't register anything out of the ordinary, which it would have if it had stopped a Trojan (unless it doesn't interact with Firefox, but that would be a slim hope).
Astrid
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I followed the link (received no warning) and after running a scan nothing has been found.
John
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The trojan code has now been removed from the site and the link can be restored:
http://www.artglassleiden.nl/archives/category/collectie/1945-1980/duitsland-1945-1980-collectie/gral/page/5 - thanks to the site owner for such prompt action.
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Thank you Astrid and Anne....what a wonderful site, and well worth waiting to see :hiclp:.....I have saved it to my favourites now.....probably should be amongst the listing for 'A Feast for Glass Lovers Eyes'.
I don't collect vases, but the techniques employed to produce them are amazing.
I still lean towards Bo Borgstrom for your lovely Blue Vase Astrid.
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I was leaning towards Aseda at first as well (hence the name of the thread), but more towards Börne Augustsson as designer (he was the one that apparently designed the Aseda Börne vases that sometimes get confused for Skrdlovice, see the examples here: http://precisensan.com/antikforum/showthread.php?t=19766).
However, because of the two distinct features mentioned earlier, I now think Habermeier for Gral Glas is a slightly more promising prospect. However, at this point everything is speculation until someone with more authority and knowledge steps in, I'm afraid.
Astrid
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This vase below probably only adds to the mystery. There are stylistic similarities between this one and yours, but what is most striking, to me, at least, is that both pieces seem to be the same shade of blue and have the same gradation of colour. I've been reliably told that my vase isn't Czech, which leaves Scandinavian. I see another similarity between your piece and the Aseda decanters: the final layer of glass that doesn't cover the whole piece. Any Aseda lover out there?
http://picasaweb.google.com/lasilove/Unknown?pli=1#5496911937898044338
David
David, in my searching around I've found a few modern looking vases with a blue colour at the top, becoming lighter at the bottom described as being from Lithuania.
This is one example: http://www.rgm-world.de/UEberfang-Vase-Litauen-1990.101+B6YmFja1BJRD0xMDEmTD0xJnByb2R1Y3RJRD03MzA5JnBpZF9wcm9kdWN0PTEwMSZkZXRhaWw9.0.html
and her's another:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Glas-Vase-Glasvase-blau-Relief-Littauen-/160514154676?pt=Glas_Kristall&hash=item255f63a0b4
If you think there is possibility your vase may be relatively recent, maybe Lithuania is a possible origin to research. I'm not sure it could be a possibility for my vase - I have a feeling that one is from the fifties-sixties (but that could just me being stubborn :))
Astrid
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Astrid:
Thanks for passing on the results of your research. There isn't a great deal of ware on the bottom of mine, and while it is polished, it doesn't have chamfered edges like the the Skrdlovice pieces have. The gradation of colour in the second one looks more similar to what I have. I'd expect a gradation of colour the bulbous vase like the first one as the glass is stretched far more at the widest part of the bulb.
I think your suggestion is the most promising one yet.
Thank you.
David