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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: jakgene on November 12, 2010, 06:17:59 AM
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Hi - I have just (literally an hour ago) bought this item on EBay. Am trying to write up my info sheet on what & where I bought it - but even using my copy of Mark Hills' IOW glass book I can't be sure what it is. Is it Meadow garden Poppy - colour of the red looks completely different ? or Kyoto Pine - not as much red? or something else altogether. Any help would be appreciated. Can't post the photos as they are not mine, but good clear ones - link to item below
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350410718019&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350410718019&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT)
or ebay item number 350410718019 if the link doesn't work.
Thanks
JAK
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Definitely not Kyoto, colours in Kyoto are much more muted - and for Pine, the strands of enamel should be purely green, for Cherry, purely pink. It's Meadow Garden of some sort, which one I don't know. There are the odd bits around which do not conform to a specific, named flower. The splodges might vary a bit in colour combinations on different backgrounds.
This looks a bit like a Poppy (variant?) to me - white background.
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Thanks, Poppy was the closest I got too! will see if anyone else knows any more.
regards
JAK
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You could always ask the studio directly.
http://www.isleofwightstudioglass.co.uk/
forum:-
http://www.isleofwightstudioglass.co.uk/SMF/index.php
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Thanks for the suggestion. I will wait until it arrives then I can take my own photos to send.
JAK
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In the sellers photos it looks like it might be iridescent, if it is that would narrow a date down a little. Poppy variation does seems likely.
Not either Kyoto, here's a Kyoto Cherry charger I snapped a photo of recently, it was very large and thin and had a wavy rim. The decoration is on the underside (why it looks a bit muted), apparently this was not a standard production size.
John
Forgot to say I think it was about eighteen or so inches in diameter (45 cm).
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Thanks John - beautiful charger too! . I have a Kyoto Cherry goblet, so when this paperweight arrives I will be able to directly compare - but I am more inclined to think Poppy. Will take my own photos when it comes and try IOW glass directly.
JAK
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Hi, My first reaction was that this PW is Kyoto Cherry. It is not true that Cherry has purely pink canes and that Pine has purely green canes as can be seen on my web page here: http://iowstudioglass.wikidot.com/kyoto (http://iowstudioglass.wikidot.com/kyoto). It is definitely not MG Poppy, which has deep red spots (http://iowstudioglass.wikidot.com/meadowgarden#poppy (http://iowstudioglass.wikidot.com/meadowgarden#poppy). On balance I would stick with Kyoto Cherry, but it would be interesting to hear what IOWSG say.
Best wishes, Anton
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Thanks for the correction, Anton. Looking more closely at my pine Kyoto vase, I can see two shades of green stripes - emerald and olive. I still am of the impression that Kyoto is of more subtle and muted colours than any Meadow Garden. However, these are not ranges I am fond of, nor do I collect them.
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See what you mean Anton.
The colours are intense in comparison, on the paperweights they are not thinned and stretched out by blowing.
John
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Thanks Anton. Lovely photos. It definitely looks more like your Kyoto Cherry Globe vase than the Meadow Garden Poppy. It is still on its way to me so will be interesting to compare. I have also just bought a Kyoto Cherry Globe vase too as I rather like the Kyoto pattern, so will then have 3 pieces to compare.
Thanks again to everyone for their input.
regards from a sweltering Perth (37C today and it is only spring here!) :phew:
JAK
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Hi JAK!
I lived on the Isle of Wight up to 10 years ago and know the owners of the factory. IOW is a small island off the south coast of England about 40 miles across. The factory is based at Ventnor on the south coast of the island. I recently had some repairs made to a piece of my "Mulberry" collection. I have copied your picture and will email it to the owner of IOW Glass to see if she can ID the series name for you. Regards, Bill....Devon, England.
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Hi JAK!
Before I email the image, is there a copy right law here prohibiting my emailing it?
Rgds, Bill
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Hi Bill
The photos were not posted on here as they are not mine - they are the sellers, I just put the link to the ebay record up.
I still have not received this paperweight - this time of year there are always delays. As soon as I get it I will take my own photos which you may then freely distribute. I don't think we should be sending the sellers photos around.
thanks for your interest. ;D
Jackie
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Hi Jak!
I have spoken to a chap at The Isle of Wight Glass Studios and he will be happy to ID your paperweight. He is Ron Wheeler, Sales and Marketing Manager, at the studios in Ventnor Isle of Wight. His email is wheeler.ron(AT)talktalk(DOT).net Regards, Bill
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Ron may well turn up and have a look - he's a member here - but he's also a very busy man, give him time. :thup:
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Hi Bill, thanks for that. I have corresponded with Ron before - he kindly confirmed ID on a pair of goblets I bought a while back. So I will send him a photo.
The weight arrived on Friday so I have just taken some photos which I will post here. It is much more orange and green than it appeared in the sellers photos, but having looked at my book and also on the web I still don't know what it is.
It is almost transparent - ie not a white background like the Kyoto range
It is quite heavily fumed - quite iridescent
the green spots are two different shades, an emerald type green and a more turquiosey green.
the amber/brown/rust coloured spots are all the same colour
the black looking spots are in fact a very very deep purple/blue
the trails of colour are almost incised into the surface -where they meet at the base they can actually be felt, but sunken into the glass, not raised out.
would love to opinions from anyone interested.
regards
Jackie
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Perhaps New Kyoto Black? See page 101 of Mark Hill's Michael Harris book, left hand column, last paragraph.
John
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I am getting confused here too! To me the most similarity still seems to be with Kyoto Cherry, but there are clear differences. Kyoto Cherry does not have the dark, almost black spots, and the pink on the PW is salmon pink rather like Meadow Garden Foxglove (but it's not Foxglove) whereas Kyoto Cherry has a pale pink. Maybe it's because the PW is heavily fumed. It is definitely not New Kyoto Black (see here: http://iowstudioglass.wikidot.com/newkyoto (http://iowstudioglass.wikidot.com/newkyoto)).
Well, as Alice said, 'Curiouser and curiouser!'
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Thanks John & chilternhills for your comments. I have had a look at New Kyoto black and don't think there is a similarity there. I have two pieces of Kyoto Cherry, a goblet and a small vase, and it is not the same as those. They have a much whiter base - this as if it has been fumed directly on to the clear glass, and the "pink" spots on the PW are more topaz than pink.
I have sent a copy of the photos to Ron at Artius Glass to see if he can help. Will report back when I hear from him.
regards
JAK
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There are several oddities known in the Meadow Garden range.
I've got a vase which doesn't fit any particular set colour scheme - green background, green, olive deeep blue and opaque bluey-lilac spots, green and olive stripes.
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I agree, Sue. With Meadow Garden IOWSG seemed, at times, to make it up as they went along! And why not; if it looks good then go with it. But it does confuse us collectors no end :spls:
Anton
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Depends if you collect "ranges" or just what you like.
Personally, I'm not remotely bothered about putting things in little pigeonholes like this. :sm:
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I'm cool with that! :thup: I too have some wonderful IOW things that can't be pigeonholed. I bought two bits this week as a matter of fact that has got me scratching my head :rah:
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That conjures up an image of broken bits and you scratching your head with them, Anton - I hope that's not the case and that they're lovely and exciting.
I generally find there's some range which something could be an experimental part of which helps to put it in some sort of date-line, albeit with a few question marks.
It's not fair to restrict artists into pigeonholes. :thup:
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Hi All
I have just received the following reply from Ron at Artius Glass - which confirms the views that this weight doesn't belong to any particular range, and is probably a trial piece.
<<Hello Jackie,
Apologies for delay,
Now Very nice weight but not identifiable as part of any range except for it's similarities to the construction of Kyoto. However the orange is a bit of an anomaly.
So I would guess made during the same period as a trial or just an oddity which would have been sold through the shop at the Studio.
No later than 1989/90 though as this was when the triangle sticker was discontinued. To have the many hundreds of colours shapes and designs made over almost 4 decades would have needed a book as big as an Encyclopedia Britannica for images alone so there are limits!
All colours and canes are added to the hot glass and then worked in to the surface hence being able to feel them - some more than others naturally.
Sorry I can't be of further help. Value at around £35 - £40.00 at a guess. A nice little item.>>
Thanks to Ron for his assistance once again.
JAK