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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Ohio on December 10, 2010, 05:08:47 AM
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I think this is probably Bohemian, but figured I'd try for confirmation, ground pontil, 10 3/4" height & 3 1/2" diameter. Thanks, Ken
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Or perhaps Austrian?
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Never trust a vase with a ground pontil and a cut top - there is no technical excuse for having both - so it must have been flared or ruffled at some time.
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Ivo...noted & possible. I assume that statement holds true for european vase blanks & incorrectly did not consider that point dealing with a european blank since many of our finer glass companies in the Corning NY area did not feel this way as many blanks from multiple finer hand blown operations, Steuben, Sinclaire, etc. produced vase blanks featuring ground pontils with straight tops...sans ruffles & flairs. Evidently our companies didn't follow the european design approach.
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Thank you Christine, I should have considered that. Ken
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Ivo...noted & possible. I assume that statement holds true for european vase blanks & incorrectly did not consider that point dealing with a european blank since many of our finer glass companies in the Corning NY area did not feel this way as many blanks from multiple finer hand blown operations, Steuben, Sinclaire, etc. produced vase blanks featuring ground pontils with straight tops...sans ruffles & flairs. Evidently our companies didn't follow the european design approach.
This is not a design choice but a technical parameter. If you are going to cut off the top, why transfer the piece over to a pontil rod?
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Ivo I don't have the faintest idea, however thats exactly what several of the Corning NY higher end hand shops did in the U.S. when blowing vase blanks. I guess it was an acceptable practice over here although I suspect it did have something to do with the design of the blank they were trying to achieve while others had flaired tops some were simply straight. Ken
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This is not a design choice but a technical parameter. If you are going to cut off the top, why transfer the piece over to a pontil rod?
Only if you were going to apply a decoration to the body which required the vase to be held on an iron.
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did they?
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Not on this vase.
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I would concur that it is likely Bohemian. Amongst others, both Palda and Ruckl did this type of work on blanks. Most of their work in this manner was post WWI, so technically, Czech......
As far as having a pontil and a cut top, I would agree that for some reason it does occur occasionally. There is one particular decor by Kralik I am aware of, and some, but not all of the pieces in that decor can be found with a cut rim and a pontil..... and they have not been cut down. I would note that while a few examples have had pontils, all examples have ground rims.....
So the idea that it is purely American in execution to have both is not 100% accurate either..... For whatever reason, there do appear to be exceptions to this idea that it always indicates a repair, and that these two artifacts of production are mutually exclusive.
Although unusual, my experience is that it is not an absolute given that it indicates a repair.... In most circumstances it does, but not in all....
Craig
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Perhaps it was sometimes easier to shape when off the pipe.