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:hi: there:
I recently purchased this, and have no idea about it. I bought it for the label....and the fact that it is very pretty. It has what you call either *Knobs, Nipples, or bumps* all over it. The label is Red and Silver Foil label. By the bottom is appears to have seams (pressed)? I am not sure what you would call the finish on it -- but like a Splashed Gold on it. The label is square with that looks to be a Crown on the top edge of the label. Unfortunately, some of the label is missing so all you can see is:
__?______ ER
___?____NS
And then you can clearly see the word CZECHOSLOVAKIA
I have been hunting around on the Net and have found nothing for this label, but then I am not sure who/what I am looking for. Any ideas of year, maker....or anything.
Is it about 9.25 inches high, 5 inches wide at the widest point. The top opening is about 4 inches. The top rim looks polished. I had a hard time getting a good pic of it -- as I think the *sparkle* from the vase had my camera adjusting more to that - than the rim. But I tried. It is very pretty !!
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thxs :kissy:
Clueless in Canada :spls:
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I'm very intrigued by the label. Sorry, don't know it, I can only speculate:
The ER immediately triggered the possibility of Moser, but this type of label is not listed in the Moser book. Neither have I seen any work in there in this sort of style. So if the ER stands for Moser, it's more obscure than what I have access to.
Stylistically it reminded me more of Borske Sklo, and if I understand correctly, Borske Sklo was in charge of the Moser factory for a while. It could also be that this label was an import label, and that the Moser name was (perhaps not correctly) used since it was more famous?
If nobody has a better idea, you could try to send it to customerservice@moser-glass.com, to ask if this is some sort of Moser label, and if they know the piece.
Astrid
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Hi Rose, from the bobble pattern and the shape I'd say Borske Sklo, Mark Hills book "Hi Sklo Lo Sklo" shows a bobbled example on page 69, different shape though. I've sold quite a few of these in the past, and when you compare all the shapes and patterns it's pretty convincing, see here:
http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/glass_encyclopedia/bohemian_glass/borskeglass_home.htm (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/glass_encyclopedia/bohemian_glass/borskeglass_home.htm)
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Forgot to mention, that cross shape on the base underneath the label is also a good indicator of Borske Sklo.
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Hi Rose, from the bobble pattern and the shape I'd say Borske Sklo, Mark Hills book "Hi Sklo Lo Sklo" shows a bobbled example on page 69, different shape though. I've sold quite a few of these in the past, and when you compare all the shapes and patterns it's pretty convincing, see here:
http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/glass_encyclopedia/bohemian_glass/borskeglass_home.htm (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/glass_encyclopedia/bohemian_glass/borskeglass_home.htm)
Hi Wayne:
I did go through your pictures, and was (almost) convinced too. Here at home I did a *split screen* image with one of yours, and a pic of mine. I say almost.......because this one seems to flare a bit more inwards at the top than the other ones. Still Yes, they look almost the same -- and I am not sure IF that flare being more inwards (only slightly) makes much difference...or not. I checked through several of your pics there -- and it seems like mine curves in a bit more at the top than the other pictures there
So does that variation make much difference? I do not know (????) but I thought worthy to mention since I have never seen, nor handled anything similar.....
As for the Color (and the Gold) what are your thoughts on that?
The bottom cross is that blown molded? or I called it pressed because I thought it might be seams ???
Have any idea of the label at all? I bought it mainly for that since it could not be read, but at least it said "Czechoslovakia" which is a lead, even with the most of the label gone. It sure is Pretty. Not sure if the pics do it Justice as to what it looks like in real life. I have been trying to find something on the label here too.
As Astrid said about Moser ...that ran through my mind....but I do not know much about that type of glass except what I have read on the board here, as I have never had a piece in my hand, or know that much about the types of labels.
This is just me thinking out loud.... and :kissy:
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whoops forget to add.....
When I look at 20 century glass there Wayne......this (almost) looks like the Boske Sklo crossed with *Splashes* of Gold Gilt like you also have there on your page on the Cylindrical ones.
Might this be (???) Splashed Gold Gilt on this? Ever seen something like that. I do not know how to describe it -- but it looks pretty much like Gold Gilt on it...
:huh:
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Sorry Rose, I just had a closer look at your pics, and I see what you mean about the gold, it does look like gold gilt painted on, something I've never seen before with these vases, quite interesting! The "spashed" effect might just be the result of the gold wearing off over time, maybe once it was completely covered in gold gilt!
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Looking at Marks book again, the vases are mould blown, and have "a full or partial impressed cross on the base which was left by the four part moulds used".
You're right the shape is a bit different, but I'm still pretty convinced it's Borske. Can't help with the label I'm afraid, I've never seen it before.
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Thanks Wayne (and Astrid):
Never thought of that -- maybe it once was all covered with gold gilt.....but then you would think that the bumps would be the first place it would wear off....as the bumps would be likely to be exposed more (IMHO).
I did find under google, about and early Moser label having a M in a shield with a crown on top --- but not sure IF this has anything to do with anything.
I am going to take a look to see IF the Gold scratches a bit.....only in a tiny bottom section.
I was not sure if this was pressed, but makes sense to be Mould Blown and having partial impressed cross on the base......will keep hunting here too...
....Might have to catch a few :sleep: here, as it is almost 5:00 a.m. here........and I have not hit the hay yet!!!
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It sounds like Astrid is onto something with the Borske - Moser link, so it could be worth emailing them like she suggests. Maybe Jindrich will know more too.
Your golden vase is certainly very Christmassy anyway, it goes well with those baubles! :)
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Is the gold in little squares? Looks like it. If so, they're mica flakes inside the glass, which are actually silver coloured, and it's the amber glass that's making them look gold.
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:hi: I will take a closer look at it today here in the sunlight (or what little sunlight there is) to see if I can input anything more. I will see if it is Silver or Gold Mica....or if it scratches off at all (will try tiny, tiny area). I may take some more photos in better light to see if this sheds anything....
so still a ????
Are the Knobs, nipples, bumps on mine a bit further spaced than the examples by Wayne ?? Also, I am not sure of the sizes of all those examples, but the one that was for sale is not as tall as mine.
Will try to give some more input later here..... I hope :X:
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:hi: Hi, here are some Extra Pics....
Well, no wiser here. Does not scratch off, nor can you feel the Gold on top (even with my fingernail). To me it still looks like a *Gold* Color (not silver flakes under amber glass ??). I am not even sure if it is what you would call Mica Flecks. It almost looks (IMHO) to look like "Sponged, or Splattered Design Gilt" ?? -- If that makes any sense. The gold is more concentrated in the area of the bumps that protrude out (see pics). I also took another pic of the rim.
So I have no ideas at all.... :ho:
Hope can figure out this, and the label. :X:
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Hi Rose, just a thought, have you tried scratching a bit off from the inside?
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Those photos make it look applied to outside surface - probably better not scratch any off, or you'll damage it.
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Hi Rose, just a thought, have you tried scratching a bit off from the inside?
Not on the inside....nothing there... :spls:
Those photos make it look applied to outside surface - probably better not scratch any off, or you'll damage it.
I really can't feel it it my fingernail -- and no none came off --- so No damage to it.
I am still clueless on this one.....I might have to contact Moser like astrid suggested..... ;) :kissy:
What is the height of the ones that you had had/seen Wayne???
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Hi -- I sent a email to see if I get any info on this label...Thanks
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Hi Rose, I'm very sorry but unfortunately I haven't made a note of the sizes of the vases I have sold in the past. All I can say is that the Borske vases come in quite a wide variety of shapes and sizes. I'll keep my eyes open and let you know if I spot any the same size as yours. Good look with your email, please let us know if you hear anything back from them. :)
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Just talking out-loud here........
....But looking at this Item HERE (http://cgi.ebay.ca/Moser-large-art-glass-vase-gold-deco-marked-/190478804320?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c596be560), does any one see a resemblance (I do NOT mean in shape) BUT rather the Color of the Gold Highlights splashes -- and the sort of Gold Splash Patterns on this ???
I am only (maybe) hoping :X: too much -- but so far this is all I have found.....
Any opinions? Good, bad, or indifferent.....and even left Field LOL
:spls: Just trying to Dig here....
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Hi Rose, I'm very sorry but unfortunately I haven't made a note of the sizes of the vases I have sold in the past. All I can say is that the Borske vases come in quite a wide variety of shapes and sizes. I'll keep my eyes open and let you know if I spot any the same size as yours. Good look with your email, please let us know if you hear anything back from them. :)
Hi I received an email back from them -- but no further ahead. Here is what it said:
Thank you for your e-mail and the interests in Moser glassworks. We appreciate it very much.
I have forwarded your pictures to the identification department and today I was informed that this vase was not produced by Moser glassworks and the label is not Moser label. Products which were not emended by Moser glassworks were also not labeled by Moser. Your glass item was probably produced in the glassworks Egermann (North Bohemia). More information you might get at: www.egermann.cz
Unfortunately we cannot provide you the information of age and name of the label as we also have no idea, where this label can be from.
I am sorry I couldn´t write you more information but hope to be more helpful to you next time.
Have a Merry Christamas and a Happy New Year 2011.
Veronika Zvonarova
Customer Service
MOSER, a.s.
So I had a look at that Website they suggested -- but I ain't just seeing the connection with that Glass -- so I am more confused than before. Any thoughts on this? or the suggestion?
I must say they responded very promptly back to me, so that :thup: as it was only 3 days for their Reply !!
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I have seen your piece somewhere in my documents, but I cannot remmember where it was. I am almost sure that this piece had been produced by Crystalex (Borské sklo) and not in Egermann-Exbor s.r.o.
In fact Egerman-Exbor is one from companies created in 90ties during Crystalex privatisation, so actually follower of Crystalex even Crystalex itself still runs in limited condition.
Please keep this issue open, I will find it sometime.
Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo
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I have seen your piece somewhere in my documents, but I cannot remmember where it was. I am almost sure that this piece had been produced by Crystalex (Borské sklo) and not in Egermann-Exbor s.r.o.
In fact Egerman-Exbor is one from companies created in 90ties during Crystalex privatisation, so actually follower of Crystalex even Crystalex itself still runs in limited condition.
Please keep this issue open, I will find it sometime.
Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo
Thank you Jindrich -- Hope we can figure out something.
I have taken another pic of the label, and have used a magnifying glass on it. I will post that pic as soon as I get it loaded to the computer here. In the Meantime, I (think) I have found some more letters on here (with the magnifying glass, and carefully bending back a small area of the foil that was bend over.) So I can add this to what I believe I can see.
The new letters (that I believe I can see) I will highlight in Blue here, which -- once I get these new photos loaded, will post here also:
__?______ ER
____?_____N (looks like another *N* here)
___?_______NS
Does say MADE IN (HERE on one line, then below that)
And then you can clearly see the word CZECHOSLOVAKIA
Any ideas of *names, companies* (or whatever) that could end in these letters to throw around?
Will post the close-up pic, ASAP... Thanks
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Here is the close-up photo as promised. There were some tiny edges that were bend over, so I carefully bent them back with a stick pin. You can see another *N* (slightly larger Print) above the NS, and you can also now see the words to *Made in* above CZECHOSLOVAKIA.
That other *N* is in the shape of this N image here: http://en.fotolia.com/id/14307513 with little edges on the base.....not just a N like how it prints here on screen.
Used a magnifying glass.
Hope that helps........anyone ??? :spls:
TIA
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This one is getting me down....... :'(
I was dreaming *names* of what IT could be last night in my :sleep: . It was running through my head all night long. I was sub-conscientiously thinking of names that I might have seen ending in N, or ER, or NS . Also was thinking of different Google word-combos to try....that I might have missed.
Honest.....I still recall all of this, this morning. In my dreams I was thinking a name beginning with either a P or a V -- so do not ask me why....but I tossed and turned all night long.
So this vase (and label) are driving me Nuts!!!!! :ho: :ho: :ho:
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Well, the only thing that I could come up with is that it could have been some sort of export label introducing other languages than English. For instance, the French for handmade, 'Fait a la main' would produce an N at the end of a bit of text. Perhaps there is a different expression that would require the plural form 'mains' to be used - giving an NS at the end - but my French is not very good so I can't find any.
I'm still disappointed the word 'Moser' didn't fit the ER. The spacing of the letters was perfect for a 5 letter word as well.
Astrid
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I'm still disappointed the word 'Moser' didn't fit the ER. The spacing of the letters was perfect for a 5 letter word as well.
Astrid
;) ;)
You know, I was sure of that too, as I even had measured the spaces for everything from the line ER, and you are right too -- I figured a 5 letter word SHOULD have been there too. You are not alone on this. I laid down a paper against it to measure the width of each letter too ----- and I agree. I should be a 5 letter word, for lenght, and giving the same spacing at the end...
I think that is why I am losing sleep over this one......as I can not find a label like this at all, nor can I find a finish like it (the gold) so I am at my wits end here..........BUT I totally agree with you on the 5 letter word WOULD fit there. Maybe it is a rare label ??? or such a short run label, it history has been lost.
--- I agree with you totally Astrid !!!!
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:hi:
I have just spent another like 2 hours :thud: looking at this label with different source lights (top bright, underneath label, UV light, side lighting) to try to figure some more on this. I again used a magnifying glass, and found a couple small edges that I turned back with the sharp end of a Pin (Boy, I feel like a surgeon here.....LOL). I have also taken (tried) to take some closer shots yet of the letters I think I see use the magnifying glass....I (might) have stumbled (or figured) out a couple more -- but I would like your opinions on it -- so thus the larger/closer pics. Forgive me, but this is really driving me NUTS!! As stated before, 5 letters in the top would fit (such as the word Moser). I enclose a little piece of paper to show you why the top word HAS to be 5 letter long, as that would center the word at both ends too. Excuse my rough showing here -- but you get the drift.
Also, upon squinting my eyes a zillion times in the Magnifying glass.......it appears that I (think) I can make out a couple other letters now also.....or make out what they *should* or *might* be...
I also looked hard to see if IF the label might have been Gold and Red, with the Gold wearing off first --- but I see no remnants at all of Gold, so it must be Silver and Red. (Just checking all the options, or the possibilities.....that is all) while squinting doing this.
__?_?_ ER
____?_____N
(Another *N* here -- see pic below to see what I mean)
____AI____NS
MADE IN
CZECHOSLOVAKIA
The two RED letter here, I think I can make out to be that. I am Sure the one is an *A*, and the other one you can see a small tail like this *|* so it could ONLY be the Bottom part of a.........F, l, P, T, Y.
So I tried these combos here of:
AF_ _ NS
AI_ _ NS
AP_ _ NS
AT_ _ NS **
AY_ _ NS
....and the only one of the above that made any sense would be the AT_ _ NS (to me) IMHO....like a word nations, or something...
So anyways, I do do those crosswords puzzles, and cryptograms puzzles....and have been trying to fill in the blanks here of WHAT it could say. I am only Assuming this as an educated *guess*, and PUTTING WORDS IN that I think could fit -- and by no means do I have any proof this is what it says -- as I am just trying to figure out a puzzle, or a cryptogram.
Anyways, I have came down to this Possibility (or something like it) so please do not laugh at me.....and I am certain that this (might) also say Moser. So this is the Cryptogram that I have tried to *guess* could say something like ??:
MOSER
PREMIER
GLASS IN
ALL THE NATIONS
MADE IN
CZECHOSLOVAKIA
So please do not laugh, as I have been just trying to figure out ****WHAT**** it could say given the letters I believe I can make out.....and take a look at the closer pic I have attached to see if you can see what I think I see ???
This is just a wild guess like doing a cryptogram.....and nothing concrete.....just guessing, and trying to fill in the blanks. I still do think this is (89 %) says Moser at the top....unless anyone can direct me to another glass naming in ER that has 5 letters in it.
?????????????????????????? :spls: ??????????????? :spls2:
(.......Please do not laugh at me for trying......I am a Scorpio, and I like a mystery......)
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???
Using a cryptogram service on the net was typing some letter combos in -- and I think the word above *Made in Czechoslovakia* could also be the following Word: CREATIONS. As that word would also fitin there -- I think, IMHO. Just me having a Monologue here with myself throwing ideas around -- as I do not know much about Czech Glass here. So any Help -- Would Help. The Fact the label in Real, and does Exist --- so must be for something, or someone. Foil label....is that an older label? Crown on top mean anything? Saying MADE IN mean anything?? Could the surface of the glass vase be a Special Glass Gold Paint (????) fired on ??? As I am seeking help from those that Know Czech here. Help ??? I can not be the only person in the Whole World that has this label ???......or then....if so, could it have been made Special?? I doubt it.... :-\
I even looked around about Czech Pottery to see if I could find any *clues* on anything about the label. I have no idea.....digging here.
Can anyone else see on the newest, newest, newest Close-up posted here (one post above this), the other letters I mention that you can see where I bent back some of the small foil edges. Anyone.....
______ER
______N
CREATIONS
MADE IN
CZECHOSLOVAKIA
:thud:
TIA -- this one is driving me :ho:, as I do not even know how to describe it goggling...
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Rose:
I'm with Astrid on this one. I would look for a company that imported Czech glass rather a Czech company for the source of this label. The fact that non of the Czech experts have recognized the label tells you something, I think. I looked through Langhamer, who has the biggest collections of Czech labels I've seen, and he had nothing that resembled this label. While Langhamer doesn't have all Czech labels, he seems to have the most common ones.
Here's a good example of the Canadian company's label. http://www.rubyplaza.com/shops/tannerycreek-rp/iteml/RL3688#pic1
If you bought your price from the States, it might be worth searching for US importers of Czech glass.
Happy New Year and good luck,
David
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Thanks langhaugh:
Okay, but I could use some help then trying to find the importer for this label -- if it is an import label. Then what is the ID for the Vase? As the vase would be one thing -- but then the importer label would be another (right)? So I could use a little help on both -- and even the finish on it, I can't find much either.
I just need help.... :X:
Happy New Year to you David, and all the Rest of the Members too!!
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Rose:
You're right. Even if you did find the source of the label, if it were an import label, you still wouldn't know who made it. To further confuse, I've seen import labels incorrectly applied. .
Despite my interest in the label (who imported all that Czech glass into North America?), you're right to focus on the who made the glass. I'd be inclined to go with Wayne's original suggestion of Borske Sklo, as the the pieces have so much in common. It's obviously not the same piece as in Hi Sklo Lo Sklo, but pretty much from the same line. That would fit with it being Czech and it being an import label. Did you buy it in Canada, btw?
David
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thanks David:
yeah, looks like what Wayne had said about Borske Sklo, but then I have never held a piece, or seen a piece of this glass in Real life here -- so I do not know much about that type of glass.
As for the finish.....I do not know what to google here. Do I call it a Gold Splash, or what? I dunno...what to call the finish, or for that matter, how it was even applied. So at my wits end. No I purchased via the USA. It was a birthday gift that my son got for me. I wanted it because of the unknown label, and the pretty design. I thought it might be a challenge (and a interesting mystery to try to figure out) since *some* of the label was there.
Seems like it has been.... :-\ and I am hoping that somewhere in the world, there has to be another label like it somewhere, or someone has come across one before.
What does one then make of the gold splatter ?? finish? Must be able to find other examples of that somewhere via the net -- but I have not been having a lot of luck here.
:thud: My head hurts.... :ho: ;D
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:hi:
??? Good news, and Bad News....and ??? Good News as this topic is not dead yet....
I have received an answer back from V&A about this Vase, and label. They do not recognize it, or the label -- but do believe it to be a Czech label......and said it looks like to them it may have said Moser too. They suggested (???) it might have said Moser (and Son) or Sons ????
So no further -- but they gave me some info to try to dig further on this.
I have to Thank the Victoria and Albert (V&A) Museum for replying back to me. :hiclp: :hiclp: That was very Nice of them!!! :thup: Thank You!!
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BINGO --- Finally :phew:
Rose:
You're right. Even if you did find the source of the label, if it were an import label, you still wouldn't know who made it. To further confuse, I've seen import labels incorrectly applied. .
Despite my interest in the label (who imported all that Czech glass into North America?), you're right to focus on the who made the glass. I'd be inclined to go with Wayne's original suggestion of Borske Sklo, as the the pieces have so much in common. It's obviously not the same piece as in Hi Sklo Lo Sklo, but pretty much from the same line. That would fit with it being Czech and it being an import label. Did you buy it in Canada, btw?
David
Look what I stumbled upon today while trying to hunt for some info on another persons post. The very same Glass item, and with more of the label. So YES, this is an *Import Label* but now at least I know who made it.
It is:
LIPPER
&
MANN
CREATIONS
MADE IN
CZECHOSLOVAKIA
*CLICK*- SAME VASE HERE w/LABEL (http://www.etsy.com/listing/47877458/vintage-gold-glass-vase-with-hobnail?ref=sr_gallery_8&ga_search_type=all&ga_includes=&ga_search_query=hobnail&ga_order=price_desc&ga_page=0)
Still do not know the maker of the Glass vase for sure, for sure yet....but at least one mystery is now solved. LOL :24: and I accidentally found this today when I was not even looking for anything even close to it -- So go figure. I guess never say Never ;)
Here I had worked so hard on this when I was trying to figure out the words trying Cryptogram
Using a cryptogram service on the net was typing some letter combos in -- and I think the word above *Made in Czechoslovakia* could also be the following Word: CREATIONS. As that word would also fit in there -- I think, IMHO. Just me having a Monologue here with myself throwing ideas around...............I can not be the only person in the Whole World that has this label ???..........Can anyone else see on the newest, newest, newest Close-up posted here (one post above this), the other letters I mention that you can see where I bent back some of the small foil edges. Anyone.....
______ER
______N
CREATIONS
MADE IN
CZECHOSLOVAKIA
So I had figured out the one word that was CREATIONS using Cryptogram solving...... :24:......As I was trying hard, but I better stick to doing the Cryptograms in the newspaper only. :-\
Found here that Lipper & Mann started their Import Company in 1946, scroll down: http://www.mygrannysatticantiques.com/html/porcelain_pottery_china_marks_1.htm (http://www.mygrannysatticantiques.com/html/porcelain_pottery_china_marks_1.htm)
Whew...but glad I stumbled upon this today. One part of a mystery solved!!!! :thup:
I lean towards Borske Sklo too as Wayne said...
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:chky: :chky: :chky:
Please fellow GMB -- see the above Post -- Found the label!!! :chky: :hiclp: :thup: Now we know...
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Congratulations! I'm happy for you that you managed to find it!
Astrid
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Ooohh well done Rose, that's a good step forward! :hiclp: :hiclp: :hiclp:
Lipper and Mann became Lipper International when Lipper bought out Mann in 1963, so that gives you a good date range for your piece of between 1946 - 1963.
Lipper International are still in existence and have a website here: http://www.lipperinternational.com/default.asp - it might be worth dropping them a line with photos and see if they can tell you more about your piece Rose? Fingers crossed for you :girlcheer:
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Rose that's great sleuthing :rah: I hope they can give you more info.
m
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Ooohh well done Rose, that's a good step forward! :hiclp: :hiclp: :hiclp:
Lipper and Mann became Lipper International when Lipper bought out Mann in 1963, so that gives you a good date range for your piece of between 1946 - 1963.
Lipper International are still in existence and have a website here: http://www.lipperinternational.com/default.asp - it might be worth dropping them a line with photos and see if they can tell you more about your piece Rose? Fingers crossed for you :girlcheer:
Thanks Anne -- yes, I may do that to see IF they can add anymore info (even what the finish is called). I am so really :chky: as I had given up totally on this item.....then *Bang* the info of the label dropped into my lap.
Thanks also for the dating info "...so that gives you a good date range for your piece of between 1946 - 1963...." I am really excited as you guys have no idea how many different *tag words combination* I tried, and nothing. Then this POPS out while looking for something else.
What a Godsend!! :cheers:
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Ooohh well done Rose, that's a good step forward! :hiclp: :hiclp: :hiclp:
Lipper and Mann became Lipper International when Lipper bought out Mann in 1963, so that gives you a good date range for your piece of between 1946 - 1963.
Lipper International are still in existence and have a website here: http://www.lipperinternational.com/default.asp - it might be worth dropping them a line with photos and see if they can tell you more about your piece Rose? Fingers crossed for you :girlcheer:
Hi Anne:
I took your suggestion and sent them an e-mail just yesterday -- and received this reply back today. Must say they were fast, but their info was lost. See their reply:
"Lipper and Mann dissolved in the 1961. Lipper International had the archives but when they moved from New York to Connecticut in 1981 unfortunately all of the L&M archives were lost.
My only suggestion would be to check with the Antique Road Show as seen on public broadcasting. I believe they do have a web site. There is also a site called HowMuchIsThisWorth (DOT) com although I have never tried it." Regards, Cathy Smith
So they do not have any archives, but at least the Import Label I have now found has an ID, for any further reference to anyone. Not sure if we have had a Lipper and Mann Import label here before -- so always good info to have. When a person has a hard enough time ID a Maker label -- it is Great to be able to ID an partial *Import* Label too.
Just have to find one with a Makers Label on it :X: but I too still lean towards Borske Sklo too as Wayne said. Hope there is a 3rd or 4th one out there in the Internet World......LOL