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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: chriscooper on December 31, 2010, 04:35:47 PM
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Had this a while the technique reminds of a piece in Anita's Murano zoo scroll down to the grey Formia cat or V. Nason maybe? stands 5.5" high quite heavy.
http://sites.google.com/site/muranozoo/mammals-3
Here are some photos probably wishful thinking but it is similar :pb: could even be Swedish?
http://picasaweb.google.com/107067405711297858658/108#
Chris :sun:
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Hi Chris, I would put my money on Faro Marcolin.....I have quite a few pieces of this type of glass, most have the engraved base saying FM Sweden and some numbers according to the model number.
I have got some that just have the rounded triangular label though, so I wonder if yours is one of these with the label removed?
I believe that some of these were made in Sardinia as well by the Marcolin brothers, but I am sure Anita will come in here and put us all right.
For the record, I have 2 cats, 3 ellies, a couple of birds and a couple of swans and a duck!! All the same technique.
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Ingela is the Ronneby expert, so maybe she will be able to verify. I would say FM Ronneby.
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I agree with Rosieposie - Marcolin.
A photo of my small duck - note similar bubbles and colour.
Ross
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Whoops missed the base photo.
Ross
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Thanks for the help so far, wonder if the title could be amended to include FM Ronneby or Marcolin to attract Ingela's attention? :kissy:
Thanks for the photos Ross.
Chris :sun:
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Hi Chris,
A nice bird!
I haven’t seen this model before but I’m looking at the details.
The edge of the base/bottom, the beak (bill), the wings, the tail.
It does not strike me as FM so I think this is Murano, probably V. Nason.
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Ross, you agree with Rosie.
Does that mean you do not agree with Anita?
You are talking about the same glassworks! It’s never FM Ronneby or Marcolin!
It’s a bit confusing for me to sometimes know what you are referring to:
"This is FM, or FM Konstglas, or Ronneby, or Marcolin, or Faro Marcolin, or FM Ronneby,
and sometimes Marcolin indicates Sardinia Crystal and not Ronneby, Sweden."
FM stands for Färe Marcolin, F does not stand for Fare or Faro.
Josef Marcolin was married to Inga-Lill Färe. Father-in-law was Bror Färe.
Josef and Benito Marcolin had their own glassworks in Ronneby, Sweden, 1961-1991.
The name of the company was FM Konstglas.
In 1983 they changed the trade name to Marcolin Art Crystal (with the FM logo),
the company name was still FM Konstglas.
In approx. 1988-1989 they changed the company name to Marcolin Art Crystal,
with trade name Marcolin Art Crystal (now without the FM logo).
If you are referring to Sardinia Crystal, please use Marcolin Sardinia Crystal, to avoid confusion.
Rosie, a question for you. You mention:
"most have the engraved base saying FM Sweden......“
Does it just say FM Sweden? That’s a bit unusual! Can you please check, thanks!
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To add a little more uncertainty -- I ran across a "gray-effect" dolphin that was made in China. The pattern of the grid is different -- elongate diamond for the dolphin, but with similar small bubbles. The picture is not mine, so I can't post it. It does raise this possibility that the bird is neither Swedish nor Muranese. I've searched my files, but can't find a bird of this design.
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To add a little more uncertainty -- I ran across a "gray-effect" dolphin that was made in China. The pattern of the grid is different -- elongate diamond for the dolphin, but with similar small bubbles. The picture is not mine, so I can't post it. It does raise this possibility that the bird is neither Swedish nor Muranese. I've searched my files, but can't find a bird of this design.
no, I don't think it's from China. The bird looks like good quality, so I would rule out China.
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Hello one and all!!
Well thank goodness Ingela has come in on this one....but isn't it complicated!!?
The cats I have are engraved on the base. They are both the same tall design, one says:
Acc (?) Difficult to read)
Style 8800
FM Konstglas
Sweden
The other:
FM
Ronneby
Sweden.
Also has a silver label.
The Elephants are the Dumbo style, again both the same.
FM
Ronneby
Sweden
M588 200
With Silver Label.
The other
Same as first, no label.
A smaller ellie in a 'begging' position with no markings or labels.
Then I have a fan tailed bird and a duck looking back over its shoulder with no markings or labels.
Neither of the swans are labelled, but I posted a picture of the turquoise swan in an earlier thread.
I also have a bird in a blue version of this technique, no markings or labels.
I am happy to post pictures of all these but feel to some extent I am hijacking your thread again Chris, and I don't like doing that unless it realy helps to identify your Bird.
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That's fine Rosie carry on :sun: you will anyway ;D
Thanks Inca for your opinion.
Anita, no more talk of :or: thank you very much :cry:
Chris :sun:
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Oh Chris! Now I'm really hurt! :'(
I wouldn't post withoutyour blessing.....honest!
I think your little bird is a penguin, and is too nice to be :or:, although I do also collect Chinese birds!
Shall I make a group of my little lot and post a picture? ;)
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Go on then :thup:
Just looked, your right definitely a Penguin.
Chris :sun:
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Here you are....the motley crew!!
A couple have 'injuries' BTW!! :'(
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Go on then :thup:
Just looked, your right definitely a Penguin.
Chris :sun:
That changes my views considerably. I thought we were looking at a bird from the back -- the throat was the tail of the bird. Your bird makes more sense to me now.
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A photo of my small duck - note similar bubbles and colour.
Ross
Thank you for the photos! Very nice!
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Here you are....the motley crew!! A couple have 'injuries' BTW!! :'(
Hi Rosie,
Thank you for the photo! Nice group!
I can confirm that it should read: ACC Style ......
- the white swan looks like FM Ronneby, early 1960's
- the “elephant in a begging position”, “duck looking back over its shoulder “,
and the "bird in a blue version of this technique", all three look like V. Nason.
The "bird in a blue version of this technique" is interesting as this looks like the same pattern as in Chris' penguine.
Could you please take a few more photos so we can see the bird in more detail, thank you! Please also a photo of the base/bottom.
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no, I don't think it's from China. The bird looks like good quality, so I would rule out China.
Think that's a bit unfair on the Chinese, to be honest, Ingela! ;) Not all items from China can be disregarding due to quality issues, although I agree there is a lot of very cheaply-made glassware from there.
I suppose V.Nason is the other possibility, as has been discussed on GMB before. Did you ever close the gap between the two companies (FM Ronneby & V.Nason)?
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Good Morning All!!
Here are a few shots of the blue bird, and I think Ingela is probably right Chris....the head and patters look VERY similar to your little Penguin. Do you agree??
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I can confirm that it should read: ACC Style ......
Ingela, I meant to ask what ACC style refers to?
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Ingela, I meant to ask what ACC style refers to?
Please see label
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Thanks Ingela. :-* So do you know why one cat has got it on and the other hasn't?
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Thanks Ingela. :-* So do you know why one cat has got it on and the other hasn't?
What does the Silver label say? Handiwork or Handsculptured?
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Can you please take one more photo of your "blue bird", from the side (body, head, beak), so I can see the pattern going up into the bird's head. Thank you!
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The silver label says Handiwork.
Here is the side view of the blue bird.
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Think that's a bit unfair on the Chinese, to be honest, Ingela! ;) Not all items from China can be disregarding due to quality issues, although I agree there is a lot of very cheaply-made glassware from there.
:huh: That's not what I said.
I was talking about Chris' penguine.
I've seen attempted grey effect/pattern from the Chinese, it was badly made.
The grey effect in Chris' penguine is well made.
I was not making a general statement.
I suppose V.Nason is the other possibility, as has been discussed on GMB before.
I have looked at Chris' penguine, the details, and I think that this is V. Nason,
and that Rosie's "blue bird" is also V. Nason.
I do not think that these two birds are FM Ronneby.
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What a lot of information you have given Ingela. Thank you :-*
I am very pleased if it is V Nason......Looks like our birdies are from the same 'nest' Chris!! :rah:
Clearly we can spot quality when we see it!!
Are you selling the Penguin by any chance?? ;D
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Here is the side view of the blue bird.
Thank you! :)
The silver label says Handiwork.
It's always interesting to know what the label says. There are several Silver labels, and
knowing if it's for instance Handiwork or Handsculptured helps with dating the objects.
Both Handiwork and Handsculptured are 1970's, Handsculptured approx. 1977-1979.
I don't have any more details regarding ACC.
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Hi all, picked up a signed FM Ronneby eagle at a fair today, grey similar to the penguin around 7" high nearly dropped it when he told me the price £180 it seemed a lot? or did he know something I didn't ?
It was signed, but not on the base though on the side.
Chris
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Hi Chris, did it have spread wings or was it the folded wing fairly undetailed version?
If it had spread wings and didn't buy it, well................I'm speechless...I don't think £180 for that would be too much if it is signed......but then I love this stuff and keep hankering after the Golden version of it.
Did you barter? Tell all, don't keep us in suspense!
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No Rosie, an upright figure similar to the penguin in colour and stance but obviously taller and slimmer wings by it's side prominent beak definitely an eagle, barter!!!! I almost dropped it with shock when he said £180 thought he said 18 then I may have bartered shows how much I know :-[
Chris :sun:
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Just to see how similar Nason is to Ronneby have a look at http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300567111699&ssPageName=STRK:MEBDIX:IT which has ended but had a label.
Ross
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Here are two V. Nason with label. My understanding is that V. Nason used this technique in the 1980's and the 1990's.
FM Ronneby used this technique already in the 1960's.