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Title: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: rosieposie on January 03, 2011, 01:32:33 PM
Here is a beautifully engraved piece. 
I think it is an optic lens.
The subject matter seems to have been carved out, it is so deep and there are so many beautiful details.  Look at the baby's toes!
Could this be a piece by King's ??
The signature Initials seem to be LT. T.K.

Here are some pictures.....
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: eglass on January 04, 2011, 03:45:01 PM
Rosie, such a beautiful engraving! How large is the lens?

I hope you get some input on it from the experts - all I can do is "ooh" and "aah"....

Kelli
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: rosieposie on January 04, 2011, 10:11:37 PM
Hi Kelli,  Yes, I hope the experts get interested in this.....glad you like it.
It is 3.5" wide and considering its size has the most remarkable amount of detail.
Come on chaps....where are you???
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 05, 2011, 06:45:47 PM
 :huh:
The toes may be cute (if you like that sort of thing) - but the "baby's" been bodybuilding and on steroids - and the fingers are all weirdly wiggly..... very odd.
I'm afraid the religious theme might make it a bit dodgy too - something made for the gift shops attached to pilgrimage venues?
I might be completely wrong, but it doesn't seem "right" for anything respectably arty.
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: rosieposie on January 05, 2011, 08:43:02 PM
I've been looking at a lot of engraved glass mostly trying to help Kelli find out who engraved her vase, and it seems that many engravers 'enhance' the body muscles....probably to show their skill....I don't know. 
This isn't the sort of thing I normally buy,  but it looked good for 99p, and as it is signed, I would like to know if anybody out there might know the engraver......I'm not too worried if any of you like it or not....it's just as well we don't all like the same things otherwise we'd all be after the same piece!
 
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 06, 2011, 12:36:40 PM
 :-[

Sorry I was so negative and thanks, Rosie,  :kissy: for being so sweet and kind about it.
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: rosieposie on January 06, 2011, 02:52:36 PM
That's OK Sue.....we all like different things, and my biggest problem is trying not to get hooked on anything else in  glass!!  I keep seeing all the lovely vases on the GMB and think.....hmmmm maybe I should.....NO!!

In an earlier thread I said I didn't collect glass jugs....then I had a count-up.......I could have died when I saw I had over a dozen....and that's withoout even trying!!  Eeeek!

Please can someone tell me who engraved this piece....it is so clearly marked!!!!?
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: rosieposie on February 20, 2011, 11:23:22 PM
Good morrow-morn folks....a little nudge on this to see if the 'engraving addicts are about'....... :sun:
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: lesley7 on March 03, 2011, 01:51:33 PM
Hi Rosemary, it was great to meet you at Cambridge GF . This is an interesting little piece, copperwheel engraved and with some rather rough little edges between the strokes which one would normally remove before considering it complete. I have to say I don't know the signature at all and am not familiar with the type of glass that it is engraved on. A very delicate piece of work though!
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: rosieposie on March 03, 2011, 06:17:30 PM
Thank you for taking the time to look at this for me Lesley....I agree, it is a delicate piece, and I am really keen to know who did the work, so I guess I will have to keep nudging it to the top of the pile until it gets identified!!

Hope you have recovered from all the hard work on Sunday, and it was really lovely meeting and talking with you, I do hope we will meet again.
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: rosieposie on March 22, 2011, 01:19:15 PM
Maybe if Nigel is about he could have a look at this for me???  It is an amazing piece of engraving.   :X:
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: chopin-liszt on March 22, 2011, 01:53:35 PM
Did you see an engraver being named as Lorraine Keith too?  :X: for your bit here!
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: rosieposie on March 22, 2011, 02:08:15 PM
Yes, Sue,  I did.... :X: :X:
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: nigel benson on March 22, 2011, 07:43:35 PM

Firstly, I read the mark on this thread as TK.

Secondly, this piece is engraved.

Thirdly, the LK for Lorraine Keith in the other thread is for sandblasting.

I think you'll find the two techniques are NOT interchangable. Complimentary - yes. Can be used together - yes. But let's not rush to conclusions that just starts a Chinese whisper, from an unsubstantiated idea.

Above the letters have been said to be possibly TK or LT - where did LK come from?

I'm afraid I'm getting very out of salts with the way things are interpreted on these boards.

Nigel
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: rosieposie on March 22, 2011, 07:58:47 PM
Hello Nigel,

Thank you so much for looking in on this thread.

I have put the photos on to show the initials as clearly as possible.

I don't know the first thing about engraved or sandblasted glass work, I collect glass animals and birds.
 
I bought this on a whim for 99p because I was in awe at the amount of work in it.

My  :X: was not because I thought it was Lorraine Keith, but because I hoped you might see the thread and as an expert on engraved glass you might have some idea who did it.

There was never any intention to assume that the initials were Lorraines, I see them as L.I.T.K.

Please don't be cross with me,  I am still very much a novice at glass identification, hence my asking for help.
Rosie.
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: nigel benson on March 22, 2011, 10:07:24 PM
Forgive my teachiness.

I have noticed that hope seems to take precidence over analysis more and more on these boards and I find it frustrating. Perhaps this thread was not the place to make the point.

I do not profess to be an expert on engraving, or sandblasting for that matter. I do try to extend my knowledge by buying things and living with them to learn. Constantly picking them up and looking at the detail and looking at them in different light(s), etc. However, I also have to do a bit of reading to back up the thoughts and judgements that I make from time to time. I like to encourage analysis, rather than give folks the information. That way people should, I hope, learn more and have greater understanding.

You rightly say that your piece is engraved. I said in the other thread that the piece (Caithness) in question was sandblasted.

Sandblasting is the creation of an image through the controlled use of jets of sand, more often than not using a template, or resist, to stop the erosion of the surface where it should not happen. Sometimes several templates (registers) are used to create the desired effect, depth, and/or definition.

Engraving is the use of copper wheels to create an image from scratch - well from preliminary drawings which are then sketched onto the glass before work of cutting begins.

As for your piece - Well, what a whim! You can buy for me if you can get this sort of quality for 99p  :thup:

Nigel
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: flying free on March 22, 2011, 10:27:03 PM
Rosie I can't help and I only own one engraved piece which is a very tiny shot glass, I think Russian - but I do also have a fabulous (imho) book by Peter Dreiser and Jonathan Matcham called The Techniques of Glass Engraving.  Each time a piece of engraved glass comes up I have another look through the book and the amazing pieces.  It's a really wonderful book so if you come across it it's worth a purchase if you are interested in engraved glass.
m
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: rosieposie on March 22, 2011, 10:40:19 PM
Thank you Nigel and m, I was actually buying an Art Glass Angel from the person, and the inevitable peek at other pieces found the engraved optic lens.  It's start price was 99p, and no-one else bid for it, so as I had won the Angel, a lovely stylised white and clear Lasistudio Viasetti piece, made in Finland for a lot less than my original bid, I decided to go for the Engraving as well.  On reflection, I think the engraving is probably worth more than the Angel, but whatever the value, I like the engraving for the sheer depth and quality of the work.

I will look out for that book m, and probably buy it to 'have in'!

Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: chopin-liszt on March 23, 2011, 11:47:16 AM
I need to apologise as well, Nigel, I should have paid more attention - I'm quite aware I got stuck with the initials LK because I automatically thought "Lorraine Kelly", who has nothing to do with glass, but it made the initials stick. I should have known the difference between engraved and blasted. :pb:

But I am a little bit curious as to why a sandblaster would have their initials on a piece - I'd have thought all somebody needed was the stencils and a little bit of basic training - is it not just a basic labouring sort of job?
Or is it the initials of the artist who drew the stencils?

No need to answer, Nigel  :smg: I assume we can speculate amongst ourselves!
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: lesley7 on March 23, 2011, 07:12:33 PM
Just thought I would shed a little light.....sandblasting a simple design / logo / letter may not take very long and I would certainly not bother to sign it even though some time is taken to create the artwork to make the mask for the sandblast. If it is relatively complicated and a small run, then I would sign LP, especially if I have combined it with hand engraving (in my case drill with diamond / stone and rubber burs - not copperwheel)
Then there is the mega job, where I can spend litterally days creating the artwork for a mask to sandblast, I will start with a photograph which I will convert, manipulate and adjust in photoshop and Corel Draw before printing a transparency to create a film mask which will be stuck on the glass, much the same as the simplest letter, and blasted then if the job requires, brought to 3D life by hand. This would be fully signed, dated and will have a certificate of authenticity....and probably cost a cople of grand!! whew I am exhausted just talking about it  :thud:
ps...the photo shows parts of the sandblasting process but not the hand engraving process although the bottom right is the completed piece.

Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: lesley7 on March 23, 2011, 07:20:20 PM
oops, please can the moderator remove the first photo, I can't find a way to do it :-) sorry for the inconvenience :huh:
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: Anne on March 23, 2011, 07:59:56 PM
Done for you Lesley. :)
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: pl79 on March 23, 2011, 08:38:39 PM
The image looks very russian or greek in the style of an orthodox icon. Could the signature be from the cyrillic alphabet?
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: lesley7 on March 24, 2011, 11:11:18 AM
Thanks Anne  :D
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: chopin-liszt on March 24, 2011, 11:33:49 AM
I was in no way meaning to minimise the work that goes into preparing for sandblasting  :thud:
- just thinking along the lines that once the artist has done all that work, it would be easy enough for a technician to carry out the blasting bit..... and given at Caithness these were produced en masse, I'd have thought technical staff might have been hired to do such stuff, rather than getting the artists to do it themselves..... ???
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: Max on March 24, 2011, 12:03:27 PM
Just seen this thread and I'd definitely agree with pl79 that this looks like an icon, especially from the style of the hands.  It would be hard to give an age for it, but I'd think that it wasn't modern.  See if you can get any mileage from pl79's suggestion that the signature might be cyrillic.

Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: rosieposie on March 24, 2011, 10:26:05 PM
Thanks for all that everyone  :sun:

I will see if I can find out any cirillic connections....not certain I know what i'm looking for though. :usd:
Title: Re: Engraved Optic Lens with Madonna and Child. LT LK ??King's
Post by: lesley7 on March 25, 2011, 10:42:16 AM
I was in no way meaning to minimise the work that goes into preparing for sandblasting  :thud:
- just thinking along the lines that once the artist has done all that work, it would be easy enough for a technician to carry out the blasting bit..... and given at Caithness these were produced en masse, I'd have thought technical staff might have been hired to do such stuff, rather than getting the artists to do it themselves..... ???

Gosh Sue, no I know you weren't, I could just see that it is something that a lot of collectors out there may not know about. I should have started another thread, so I won't rattle on about it much more here, but to say you are absolutely right, many years ago I had staff who did all the dirty work with the masks I created, thousands of items , but none of those were ever signed....maybe I should have  :-\

I am loving the idea that the signature on this particular piece may be cyrillic, whatever that is, it sounds very exciting  :ra: I hope the mystery is solved soon.