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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on January 04, 2011, 08:59:29 PM
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Not an uncommon shape which occurs occasionally thru earlier parts of the C20 - a sort of stunted version of the 'wheatsheaf' shape - perhaps a stylized 'basket' pattern sort of thingy. I bought this lunchtime because I convinced myself it was pressed Czechoslovakian from somewhere in the 1960 - 1980 period - but having now looked thru the CD and the book, have a feeling I was wrong. I still think the base is very Skl Union, and the colour looks nearly right (in fact in the flesh it is a little more 'greeny/blue').
At the widest it is 8.5"/215mm and the height is something like 5.5"/140mm. Have I missed seeing it - might it be the Polish LSA production? Sorry the pics. have a bit too much glare. All thoughts very welcome, and thanks for looking. :)
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I think I'd be looking closer to home Paul - perhaps Sowerby
or Davidson. Davidson who certainly did this colour and Sowerby did that ridged pattern... but I could be wrong so don't take it as gospel! :pb:
Edited to correct my erroneous info re Davidson!
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might it be the Polish LSA
LSA International is a UK-based design company that outsources its production worldwide, including probably to Krosno in Poland
http://www.lsa-international.com/
Krosno makes hand-blown glass in a factory, not pressed glass
http://www.krosno.com.pl/en/
I don't know where your vase was made but I would say 1960/70s is about right. The base is a fairly standard pressed base and not indicative of anywhere in particular.
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my thanks to both of you, and I will look again this evening when I'm at home. Will try the Soweby CD's and have a look at the Davidson images - for starters. :)
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Paul, this is an example of the Sowerby glass I'm meaning:
(two examples in fact - both Sowerby) and the bases which look very like yours: I've seen this pattern in a whole range of colours, including I'm pretty sure, one the colour of yours.
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thanks again Anne for the links, and my thoughts, in no particular order, are:
Not sure that this colour is Davidson - I stand to be corrected, but this piece is a very greeny blue, and having looked thru the Davidson 'between the wars' and 'post WW2' pieces, I don't recall seeing this hue. Neither do I think it is a Sowerby colour.
Looking at your pics. of Sowerby items, the main (clear) 'Boat' vase is an item that turns up not infrequently at boot sales, and is a design of which I have an example - believe it is pattern 2634 and occurs certainly from 1940 onwards, and may well have been in existance even earlier. Forgive me being a little pedantic.......the fluting is dissimilar.......on the boat they come to a sharpish ridge......on my piece they are rounded......and at the base they finish differently. Again, taking these two items as examples, the pressed star pattern on the base shows reasonable differences. Not conclusive, I agree, and to be fair without the two in front of you it is impossible to appreciate the differences. Fatal for me to be dogmatic (especially as I don't like pets), but I sense mine is Continental - it just has that look. But, hey, I've been wrong too many times, and you are far more knowledgable than me. thanks again :) I think I'm yet to find my vase tho.
P.S. It's an ill wind and all that.........amazing what you find when you start looking at catalogues, as you will see from a couple of other pieces I'm about to post - which were found whilst looking for this vase.
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Paul I think this vase may be in a similar green blue colour? it is Sowerby. It's difficult to tell without the pieces in front of you but Sowerby also did the plain small boat shaped dish in a blue that looks like that one.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,34721.0.html
m
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Paul, I stand (or sit! :P) corrected - it wasn't a Davidson piece in that colour I have, it's Sowerby too! (My memory's going now! ::)) http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-6 in a different pattern, but as I said earlier, I have seen the other pattern (i.e. the ridged one in my links above) in the same colour a while back, in the Age Concern shop in Kendal, but didn't buy it (wish I had done now!)
I have another flatter bowl the same colour which I think is also Sowerby: http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-36 (is this like the one you mean M?) and had one of the in-curved ones until it suddenly cracked in two!
The nearest Davidson colours would be either Lovat or Antique Blue I think, but neither are quite the same as yours looks in the photo.
I take your point about the slight differences between your pattern and mine though - it's the sort of detail which isn't always apparent in photos. :usd:
I love the shape of your vase, and can see why you suspected Czech as they did some pieces that shape. I have a clear Czech one in a cupboard somewhere too! :pb:
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BTW Paul, I've just spotted this vase on Pamela's Museum site - similar colour again, though a different shape. Pamela's is "Lausitzer Glas" dated 1969 - might be another avenue to explore. ;)
Dang! Forgot the link this time! :-[
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/vasen/08279.html
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Anne it was this one I was thinking of (probably the one you mentioned cracked in two?) I've had a few of these in the teal blue and I have a labelled example.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,32415.msg175296.html#msg175296
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Yup, that's the one that cracked M!
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I would count the points on Paul's vase and the Sowerby trough; Paul's vase has probably been "swung", which might account for the rounded blobby ends. We need Adam D I think.
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That's what I did with the pink and the clear one Christine, as the shape of the pink one wasn't familiar either, and also has the softer ends. I matched the bases and the sizes to figure out they came from the same shape/size mould before the shaping was applied to the pink one to fit it to the chrome holder it lives in. I'll drop Adam a line and see if he can pop in and take a looksee for us. :)
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Thanks to Anne who gave me a nudge to have a look at this one. I think it might just be Sowerbys 2634 celery vase, heavily re-shaped of course. The snag is that when I knew it that vase, alone in the 2634 range, had a flat top. It's possible (and has just occurred to me this minute) that this was a change made before my time to make it look more like a tax-free celery vase than one for flowers. Whether or not a previous fluted top ring existed it would have been no big job to have created one. I wonder if anyone has ever seen one fluted? I'm sorry but I never dreamt that, 60 years on, the number of flutes might be critical or I would have made notes!!
I wouldn't worry about the precise colour in this or in many other cases. See my posting in the thread:-
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,34721.0.html
It was not difficult, albeit with some loss of production, to change the colour in a pot to make a few hundred articles. Davidsons tended to do this more often than Sowerbys for economic rather than technical reasons although the evidence suggests that towards the end Sowerbys were at it also.
Adam D.
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Many thanks Adam for taking the time to reply - much appreciated, and your note is very interesting as usual. Not sure whether this colour might be called 'teal' - it certainly has a leaning towards a greenish aspect in the blue, and looking at one of my books the implication seems to be that colourants such as Chromium, Copper or Cobalt might be involved in producing this particular hue. However, date wise then, we will describe it as post 1950. thanks also to all other contributors. :)