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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: shugdens on January 07, 2011, 05:23:43 PM
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I was passing a charity shop that I've had a few good glass & ceramic finds in the Past & found this baby.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a361/WhiteRose1649/DSC00168.jpg
At first I thought it was Beraneck, then one of the top end Murano companys now I think it might be an unsigned Scandinavian piece Nillis Landberg or Viki Lindstrand or sutch.
I want to keep it but cant afford to :(
Thanks again for any help.
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You cant make the rim out from the pic but its thick & moulded as in freeformed.
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ummmm.... "moulded as in freeformed" :huh: :huh: :huh:
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Sorry, i use the term 'moulded' to describe rims that aren't cut or artificially shaped in any way. I mean rims like a Whitefriars banjo vase. Thanks for your help.
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Hi,
Only a strong possibility, but it looks like a nice Czech piece, what Dusan in his fascinating galleries of glass calls Novy Bor glass, which, although Novy bor is a place-name, was also a company that operated under the umbrella of the Crystalex factory in the 1960's-1980's. GMB member Jindrich could probably add more information if this attribution is close!
A link to Dusan's gallery, one of many filled with fine glass,
http://picasaweb.google.com/exat53/NovyBor#
Robert (bOBA)
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Ummm???????
So how would you describe a rim which was heat-finished?
Moulded, (in glass terms) means made in a mould - which precludes being free-formed.
Are wfs vase rims not polished?
(I'm not a wfs afficionado, have seen but not bothered touching or examining, a wfs banjo. I do know what it is)
I hope I'm not appearing rude, it's just the terms you're using seem to have different meanings to the ones most of us understand in general glassy talk.
Moulded means "made in a mould". Even then, sometimes seams can be polished out, or bases finished by polishing or rough grinding - or anything inbetween.
Rims can be left a bit wonky (as they can often be in Mdina, eg cut-ice vases), heat-finished, to make thm smooth and curved and even, cut flat and polished, with or without arrises (tiny bevelled edges at the sides of the polished flat surface).....
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Czech was my first thought when I picked it up in the shop. The Sommerso & the rim made me think further afield.
I'm still learning about Chech/Bohemian glass. Many thanks
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I know some of my terms arnt recognised, I'll try & use correct terms in future. This rim here is as you say probbly heat finished some of the terms I use are just for the general public when I'm on my market stall.
I think the WF banjo rim is heat finished if thats the correct term :X:
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Hi, not an expert but with Whitefriars the finish as in the banjo's bricklayers etc. known as fire polished or hot worked as opposed to cold worked flat ground rims as in the coffins etc..
Chris :sun:
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Hi, not an expert but with Whitefriars the finish as in the banjo's bricklayers etc. known as fire polished or hot worked as opposed to cold worked flat ground rims as in the coffins etc..
Chris :sun:
It may be the same as heat finished? I'm glad I've lerned this term because I've been using the term 'moulded'.
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Normally a general is rule is to presume if it's got a pontil mark it's been attached to the rod for the rim to fire polished, more time consuming but a finish that is less prone to damage as opposed to just being cold ground on a wheel then either polished or not.
But don't quote me 'cos I know nothing :wsh:
Chris :sun:
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Normally a general is rule is to presume if it's got a pontil mark it's been attached to the rod for the rim to fire polished, more time consuming but a finish that is less prone to damage as opposed to just being cold ground on a wheel then either polished or not.
But don't quote me 'cos I know nothing :wsh:
Chris :sun:
Lets not get on to pontils were on rim terms at the moment..
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Definitely not Lindstrand or Landberg. I'm with bOBA.
David
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Definitely not Lindstrand or Landberg. I'm with bOBA.
David
I'm going with my first hunch as Beranek, it was the rim & caseing that made me think Scandi. Just need a Czech expert to confirm which it is.
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A pontil is a metal rod. It leaves a pontil mark or a pontil scar on the glass. There's a fabby list of accurate glass terms Christine posted here just recently. (downloadable pdf)
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,37775.0.html
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Sue has written:
So how would you describe a rim which was heat-finished?
Moulded, (in glass terms) means made in a mould - which precludes being free-formed.
This isse make me troubles as well.
In Czech we have term "hutni sklo" similar to German "Hüttenglass". I still had not found proper English equivalent - oftenly "free formed" is used.
By definition is hutni sklo glass made and completely finalised hot in furnace. (bottom cutting is allowed).
It does not eliminate moulds, for hutní sklo are often used wooden moulds, but also steel for, the piece can be completely finished in mould or can be after removing from mould manually modified and shaped.
So for us hutni sklo means that piece wan not after blowing and cooling refined it means cut or engraving.
Jindrich
www.cs-sklo.cz
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Two issues,
the piece is not Skrdlovice one, so it mean not Beranek (Emanuel, Bohuslav, Jindrich, Rudolf, Jan, Jiri).
The piece can be Czechoslovak, but I would like to see more pictures to decide.
bOBAs explanation is correct let we say Novy Bor glasswork - it was always the same factory - Borocrystal, Borske sklo, Crystelex only names had been changed. The latest one Crystalex was concern that covered in 80ties also Moser, Podebrady, Svetla, Krasno and Vrbno glassworks.
Just a little notice for Bohemian glass collectors - Novy Bor is Haida.
Jindrich
www.cs-sklo.cz
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Lets not get on to pontils were on rim terms at the moment..
Just trying to be helpful as there is a connection...
Chris
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Every good turn has to be penalised accordingly, Chris ;D
Jindrich
www.cs-sklo.cz
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Just trying to be helpful as there is a connection...
Chris
It was ment sarcasticly & I had a smile on my face when I wrote it, it was meant as more of a dig at me getting all my terms mixed up. :ha:
This is why I was initialy put off joining this MB I think its quite easy to find insults & put downs where there are non intended. It happens when people are sharing knowlage & experience on the internet. I think the correct net term is 'getting flamed' but dont quote me on it. ;D
I'm scared of putting my next 2 Czech finds up now :24:
I was thinking Beranek from the link provided & from two definate Beranek pieces I sold over Xmas, one to a user of this group so I hope I was right on that one....
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Please don't be scared to put your other items on here, we're never intending to hurt, just help, advise and educate. :hiclp:
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And when you do put your two other pieces up, any chance of photos of the bottom. That way we will know if there is a pontil scar, or a pontil itself on it :-* :24:
Carolyn
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And when you do put your two other pieces up, any chance of photos of the bottom. That way we will know if there is a pontil scar, or a pontil itself on it :-* :24:
Carolyn
I know about pontils its rims I'm strugling with. We are going round in circles now. lol ;D
These other two have got lables or partial lables on.
@ Anne is there anyway of 'bumping' the post that brought me here back up or retreving it? I've got another find to continue it.
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You can just reply to it, but new items are usually better with new threads
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You can just reply to it, but new items are usually better with new threads
I cant find it & I bought the piece especial to continue the topic :'(
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When you are logged in click on Profile (towards the top of the screen), then click on Show Posts (left hand side of screen). This will list all your posts and you can click on the relevant thread and reply to it.
John
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HiHo dear Shugdens,
please take it easy, I have found than some English speaking people are fiinding much more behind the words really typed.
Please note that not everybody had got this Got's penalty to get English as the first language.
I am keen to see your Czech pieces.
Jindrich
www.cs-sklo.cz
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HiHo dear Shugdens,
please take it easy, I have found than some English speaking people are fiinding much more behind the words really typed.
Please note that not everybody had got this Got's penalty to get English as the first language.
I am keen to see your Czech pieces.
Jindrich
www.cs-sklo.cz
Hi & thanks for all your info, I speak German & Hebrew also. I find it easyer to type in Hebrew as my spelling is better in Hebrew.
The majority of my recent Czech glass buys is now sold but I have kept my favrote pieces back.
The first is this Beranek apple signed by Jan Rooibek
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a361/WhiteRose1649/DSC00158.jpg
Second is a Svoboda vase that I have fallen in love with. I bought a huge job lot to get just this one.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a361/WhiteRose1649/DSC00157.jpg
The third is this little optic bowl with just a partial lable with ''SLIE BRAN...'' left.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a361/WhiteRose1649/DSC00171.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a361/WhiteRose1649/dgcg.jpg
I've got lots more but thats the intresting bits for now :hiclp:
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I know your first piece, it is designed by Rene Roubicek ( * 23. 1. 1922 Praha), see http://www.beranekglass.com/catalogue/default.aspx?lang=EN.
It has been manufactured after 1992 by Beranek Glass in Skrdlovice.
The Svoboda piece I have never seen, Jaroslav Svoboda (*9.2. 1938 Sokoleč u Poděbrad) website is here http://www.ags-svoboda.cz/index.html
The third piece is not Czech.
Jindrich
www.ces-sklo.cz
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I know your first piece, it is designed by Rene Roubicek ( * 23. 1. 1922 Praha), see http://www.beranekglass.com/catalogue/default.aspx?lang=EN.
It has been manufactured after 1992 by Beranek Glass in Skrdlovice.
The Svoboda piece I have never seen, Jaroslav Svoboda (*9.2. 1938 Sokoleč u Poděbrad) website is here http://www.ags-svoboda.cz/index.html
The third piece is not Czech.
Jindrich
www.ces-sklo.cz
I got another load today .
The Svoboda is Svoboda acording to the sticker on the botom, it was in a job lot of glass from a clearance I did so may be very new.
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The Svoboda is Vase 0901 on the Svoboda web site. Its staying in my own collection I'm not selling this one, I love it. ;D
Are the coloured optic vases by Borsk Sklo? I got one today.
Off topic I also found a Losol Flow Blue dresser set then droped it on my drive breaking the lot, £60 worth of ceramics broken. :ho: Thank G-d it wasnt the crate with all the glass in...