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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Lustrousstone on January 09, 2011, 08:18:45 PM
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I'm pretty confident this is Scottish, but is it Monart or Vasart. It's just over 5 in diameter and has a shallow, highly polished button pontil mark. It looks like Monart shape IK size IX. The green is a nice rich colour.
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If not , possibly Nazeing ?
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Definitely not Monart, as the pontil is to roughly finished off. Nazeing seems like a good call.
Gary
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The pontil is not roughly finished. It is a slightly raised highly polished button; what you can see is a swirl of white, not rough grinding or a snapped pontil. And there is some base grinding. I'll try to take a better shot.
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Not Scottish, I forget what latest thoughts on these were, perhaps Nigel will remember!
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OK, that's fine. Thank you
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One more question. What makes it not Scottish? The shape matches IK. The size is close enough to IX. The pontil mark matches some of those described for Monart, i.e., a raised polished mark with some additional base grinding. Is it the colour?
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It's the colour but most of all, how it "works".
This shape is very, very common for "whoever made this", not so common for Monart or Vasart.
What's been keeping me from saying nay to Monart or Vasart out loud, or suggesting anything else, is I'm a bit thrown by the polished blob over the pontil mark, and I'm not able to positively id. Nazeing and I think we need Nigel or Frank.
(I get tangled with Nazeing, Grey-Stan and the so-far unidentified maker, then I found S&W did similar and, I'm sure, somebody else - so I'm keeping quiet.)
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After seeing the better shots of the pontil i am more confused as that does look Monartish . :huh:
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The polished blob is the pontil mark. It's like one of the rough ground Vasart buttons that has been more finely ground. I'm not bothered what it is. It was £2 worth of cute that I hoped to ID.
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;D
It certainly is £2 worth - and I'm sure a maker will eventually be found. The large well-polished blob/mark is what is really throwing me. It's very "Monart".
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The blob isn't as wide as it looks
http://www.ysartglass.com/Moncat/Page12.htm
The base is a bit like example 3, except the rim is only partly ground
http://www.ysartglass.com/Ysart/IDguide1.htm
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Hmmmm,
Pre-war Nazeing 'Posy Bowl' 5" diameter. Nothing to do with Scotland I'm afraid ;)
5", 7 1/2", 10", 12", 14" in the catalogue pages. Much more latitude wioth Nazeing than mMonart when it comnes to size IMHO.
Nigel
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Thanks Nigel