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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on January 13, 2011, 08:33:53 PM
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thought they might have been Sowerby - especially with that saw-tooth top rim, and the very yellowish green colour - but don't see them on the CD. Probabaly bit of a long shot, and guess they may have come from just about anywhere. Something like 5.25"/135mm tall. If anyone does recognise the design would be grateful for a shout, and thanks for looking. :)
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Hi Paul
I had a piece with the exact same shaped base as this and same colouring, ive looked in my files and all I have is that the one i had was listed in Petersons book Vaseline glass Canary to Contemporary c1860
Sorry couldnt be of any other help, will try and find where i got the info from
michelle
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Just checked my old listings on here and hey presto i did put it on
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,26970.msg147924.html#msg147924
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thanks very much Michelle - and have to admit I would never have dated them that far back........just goes to show. I was thinking they were something like 1930 ish. :pb: So, a rather enigmatic provenance then, unfortunately. Never quite sure why I continue to buy some of this uranium glass, but I guess once smitten etc. I see these pieces and tend to buy rather on an impulse, I must have a shed full of the stuff - although this pair do glow with real class. I guess they will go out at some point when I need the space. Thanks again for your time :)
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Paul, I'd keep these really lovely uranium vases if I were you, and get rid of that junk behind them... :P
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oh wow, can i come to your shed in the middle of the night with my big UV light i would have so much fun!!! :rah: (me waving the UV light around in Pauls shed)
michelle
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I know a very good home for them... and think that they might just be creeping into the 20th century. They don't look quite as old as Michelle's style wise.
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Hi Paul
Your Uranium Vases pattern as a look of a G Davidson Reg design No 254027 have a look at http://www.cloudglass.com/r18911900.htm in the Davidson registered design page I have a number of shapes and sizes most of my pieces mine have the Reg No in relief on the inside.
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Hello Tony, and thanks for your interest and comments :) - although the answer, regrettably, is that mine are most definitely not the same pattern as Davidson 254027. I do appreciate that it is not easy to see the surface clearly on these vases, but in fact the 'diamond' pattern on them is elongated, and comes to a quite sharp projection, unlike the milk jug which certainly appears to have flatter diamonds. I think I am possibly correct in saying that, outside of this yellow pearline, Davidson did not produce very much glass with a U. content and, as you say, most of thier production from that period does carry a Rd. No. - and despite running my fingers around these vases umpteen times, I can say quite safely that they are minus any sort of No. I am now an expert at finding Rg. Nos. and Rg. Diamonds on glass - having failed miserably in the past, and had to ask for help - they can often be amazingly difficult to locate, and even a large diamond impression with its letters and Nos. - on clear glass - can elude the most careful eye - that is not a GMB eye of course :24:
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I concur with Paul. These are definitely not pattern Rd. 254027. I have 20 pieces of that pattern (17 of them in Primrose Pearline) and this is NOT the same pattern. The diamonds on the 254027 have a pattern on top of each diamond. I am strongly thinking that if you give one of these vases a flick with the fingernail on the top rim, it will have a bell tone. If so, you could even go back to 1865-70 as a time period.
Dave (Mr. Vaseline Glass)
Mod: error fixed; wording changed to "not the same pattern".
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Dave - thanks for the contribution..........however, did you mean to say ............"and this is NOT the same pattern". Despite repeated 'flicking' I am not getting a bell tone, unfortunately, and the sound is a rather dull note. :)
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Correct.....(too fast on the keyboard). It is NOT the same pattern. --Dave
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Hi Paul
I guess its back to the drawingboard, but have you had a look at a thread by traditionaljazz, page 4 has photos of a glass dish which has possablities by Percival Vickers.
Tony H
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thanks Tony - did you intend to attach a link?? :)
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Percival Vickers Colonial perhaps
http://sites.google.com/site/molwebbhistory/Home/registered-designs/percival-vickers-unregistered-pressed-glass
Scroll down. Colour looks good too
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thanks for the link - and would agree that Tony's reference to Percival & Vickers - and in particular to Christine's suggestion of the 'Colonial' pattern - shows great similarity. Sorry, I'm at work just now, and these have in fact been wrapped up and will be shortly belong to someone else (who may wish to comment later in the week). From memory the 'diamonds on the U. vases, I thought, showed graduation in size - but certainly the overall look is very similar. Hopefully, we may know more later in the week.
What did you mean Christine......"colour looks good too".........surely the 'Colonial' Celery is in clear glass???
quote from paragraph four (within the text of the link)...............Although we cannot reprint the images here for copyright reasons
.............wouldn't the copyright have expired by now yes/no??
Thanks to everyone for their contributions. :)
Although we cannot reprint the images here for copyright reasons
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I meant the colour of the U vases looks good for Vickers.
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thanks - sorry, I made a bit of a hash of my message :-[
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I've been meaning to add to this thread and say these look a little like Percival & Vickers. The foot, the diamonds (topped with oval facets?) and the wavy top all look like mid 1860s Manchester. However although the pattern is close, I can't find any vases in the Percival Vickers catalogue, or any Manchester registration, which is the same overall shape as this one. The catalogue page for the Colonial set does not include this vase - though the catalogues are not comprehensive.
So it certainly looks mid 1860s Manchester but the shape lets it down - does anyone know when this shape of vase started to be made?
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Just noticed Paul's remark about copyright on the P&V catalogue mentioned on my website. A catalogue is held by the Winterthur Library, Delaware. They will copy up to 20 pages from it for a fee, but retain copyright, so that's why I can't show them. Note that they are putting the full 1881 catalogue, and a large number of others (mostly American) on the Internet Archive website within the next year or two, then everyone gets to see them!
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Paul
Sorry I forgot to add the link page 4 has some photos
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,27724.0.html
Tony H
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Tony - thanks again, although not that clear perhaps from the photos, and a lot of stamina needed to follow right through :thud:. How did neilh arrive at Mr. 'traditionaljazz - I think it us unfortunate when people who are requesting help should delberately omit so many of the personal 'fields' - and although I appreciate not obligatory, it does help sometimes (and provide courtesy) if we know gender and from whence someone hails.
neilh......how does Winterthur hold the copyright - I had thought that Vickers was British owned (didn't they become Vickers ordnance in the C20), or did the States buy the copyright and then periodically pay to extend it??
Just to say that I no longer have these pieces, so regret not able to assist any more (other than looking at my pics.) Anyway, thanks to all again.
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Hello
I am pretty sure that Winterthur don't hold the copyright. But as the owner of the catalog, it is their perogative to put restrictions on the use of copies that they make. I have obtained a few copies from them but only after signing a document confirming that the copies are for my personal research purposes only and indicating that I will not publish them anywhere.
Sid
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Neil
I am pretty sure that Paul indicated above that these vases are not lead containing glass i.e. no lovely ring when tapped. Wouldn't we expect that anything from the 1860s would be lead glass?
Sid
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The design could be 1860s but the vases may be newer (relatively speaking). They are en route to me, and I will let you know what I think about the lead content. Strictly the Colonial design is Percival & Yates or even Percival Yates & Vickers, as Yates didn't leave until the 1870s.
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These vases have passed through customs and immigration at Watford and will soon be back in what was probably their home county after a long exile (at least they would be if the county boundaries hadn't been messed with). I would say they do contain some lead on the basis of their weight and ping.
I'll do some more searching later.