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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: cfosterk on January 18, 2011, 05:41:10 PM
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Bought via online auction. Described as an 'L' can - which I thought they'd got wrong.
I imagined it to be a Whitefriars monk cane or a John Deacons J weight. Either way I thought I detected the hand of Allan Scott.
Now received and I'm stumped! It's definitely an L - anyone out there with a J weight collection and know the design?
Or am I barking up the wrong tree??
http://s95.photobucket.com/albums/l139/cfosterk/?action=view¤t=DSCN1187.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l139/cfosterk/DSCN1184.jpg
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Neither of your links works (for me) - but I found your images HERE (http://s95.photobucket.com/albums/l139/cfosterk/?action=view¤t=DSCN1185.jpg#!oZZ1QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2Fs95.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl139%2Fcfosterk%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3DDSCN1187.jpg).
As for the cane - Allan will be able to contradict or confirm my possible attribution: could it be an "A" (for Allan Scott) with the horizontal bar shifted that close to the top to become (almost) invisible - or would such a cane not have been used?
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Thanks!
I think it's a variation on the White Cherry Blossom illustrated in Robert Hall's "Scottish Paperweights" page 130.
I have a couple of J weights where the J cane has been 'inverted' so shows as more like an L.
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Let me come up with another suggestion ;).
I agree - should have checked Andy Dohan's "Dictionary" first ... on page 114 (CD version) L canes used by Linda Campbell are mentioned, who used to work with Allan Scott at Caithness. She used L canes in weights for the Scottish Glass Society annual shows. Andy shows three examples - none of them identical with your L cane - but worth following up. The weight would certainly fit the weights produced by Allan and co-workers for these SGS events.
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Doh! Should have checked Andy D's book! The SGS link is intriguing, but I'm a dullard in this area. Not a member of any society etc - yes I know I really really should, the NPS would be a good start.
The overlay cup is very much 'in the style' of John Deacons but very thin indeed. Top facet then six and six side facets.
I know Caithness made some overlay cups in the 1980's braded as Whitefriars traditional - but nothing listed in the Charlton guide.
I think I will have to hope Allan see's this posting!!
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Any chance of a better well focused large image of the signature cane using the macro function on your camera?
If it's a SGS collaborative with Linda Campbell it should also have Allan's cane in it. But I do agree the lampwork looks like Allan's.
The thin overlay could also have been done with enamel powders rather than an overlay cup.
Andy
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Hi All
I think I can help here as I have three of Linda Campbell's L signature canes including the one shown in this weight so it definitely looks like one of hers
Dave
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Hi Dave
Can you send me a high res image of the cane so I can update my reference?
Andy
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A Caithness collaboration might work if the darn thing wasn't the spit of Deacon/Scotts White Cherry Blossom.
I still think my inverted J has legs.....
Definitely no A cane and no other markings - will try a bettter image though....
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Hope this works as I am trying to attach a picture of Linda's L Canes
Dave
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Had a closer look at the cane - seven blue/white seven point cog canes
Base is VERY fancy cut - most un-caithness-like.
http://s95.photobucket.com/albums/l139/cfosterk/?action=view¤t=DSCN1205.jpg
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Hi all
I am not aware that there was ever a SGS collaboration between Allan Scott and Linda Campbell - the only two glassworkers that Allan worked with on SGS weights to my knowledge were Harry McKay and and Shiona Spittal.
I have many images of Lindas weights dating back to 2003 and all are signed either with a red L on a black cog background
or using the cane illustrated by Daveweight.
I have checked all my photos of J Glass weights and all of the sig canes have an upper bar to the "J"
The cane shown in the first picture of a J Glass sig cane is similar in construction to the "L" cane shown in picture 3
but many of the J glass weights also incorporated the date but all had the bar on top of the "J"
The mystery deepens !
Incidently the originator of this interesting string CSFOSTERK mentions a London location and is thinking of joining the NPS.
The PCC is much closer and the next meeting is on 5th March in Cambridge - speaker Mayauel Ward. Why don't you come
along ! Just google PCC paperweights for more details. End of plug !
Best regards
Derek
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London? bah!!!
A Yorkie born n bred....
The signature cane looks like an L but on close inspection could hint at an upper case bar.....
Allan Scott will know as I'm sure it's hid lampwork - just a matter of who and when he worked with....
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It has been pointed out that the blue and white L cane I showed in my picture does not match exactly with the one in this weight but at first glance it seemed very similar. I have sent Allan Scott an Email about this so lets see if he comments
Dave
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Thanks Dave - if Allan says its not him I'm gonna have a breakdown!
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Hi all
I think I have solved the mystery !
I have checked through my pictures of J glass weights and come up with this picture -
Sorry this is the best resolution I have and its not good enough to show the cane
OK its 5+1 facets no overlay and a plain base rather than fancy but look at the lampwork
- virtually identical to the one that started the debate shown as the second image. Note
how the buds are constructed!
So I think we can safely say its J glass era and either Allan Scott lampwork or someone
he was working with at the time.
What is still uncertain is the cane - I have checked all my J glass photos and
a) There is not one where the J does not have a upper bar and
2) There is not one where the J cane has been reversed to make it into an "L"
We need Allan to comment !
Best regards
Derek
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Thanks Derek.
The weight you have illustrated is the referred to as "White Cherry Blossom" - a Deacons/Scott collaboration weight with J cane!!
Also illustrated in Robert Hall's Scottish Paperweights p130. Dimensions for this weight are 3.2" diameter, 2.1" high.
My weight is 3.1" diameter, 2" high - identical lampwork set-up allow the stamens are a little darker in colour.
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Hi All,
Sorry for not replying for a while; I have been offline again. The weight is my lampwork done at Jay Glass. The cane is a "J" that has been put in the wrong way by mistake. It is the White Cherry design, we made a few different weights with the design, just for the hell of it >:D.
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Thanks Allan...
It's a very fine overlay cup - your handy work or Johns? His JD and JHD stuff since 1993/94 usually have a slightly thicker double overlay!
I presume most Jay weights were sold via Selman into the USA?
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The overlay is all Johns work, Harry McKay was working with us then but most of the overlays were John. Certainly a lot of the 1981 onwards weights were sent to America but not all of them.
Allan
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Just noticed a Jay weight has sold on ebay with an 'inverted' J cane!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250759846091&ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT
It has a central silhouette cane - a clover?
Was this early or late production? I presume a 101 limited edition?
Same seller had a blue flower Jay weight - and suggested you made the lampwork in your kitchen! Is this true??
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I did not have anything to do in the making of the millefiori weight but as for the Blue weight and all the 1978/79 lampwork designs there is truth in the Kitchen story. John was still getting the "Shed" ready for Jay Glass to become a full time studio at the end of 1978 and early 1979 so as I was still living at home, I made the Lampwork for the first design range in my Mum and Dad's Kitchen. I used a plumbers portable brazing torch, the kind that you just punctured a butane can with the burner unit and off you went. It had no system of controlling the size of flame so it was either off or on with a wide flame. I had to work very carefully on the edges of the flame to get any sort of control of pulling , shaping or joining the glass. My annealing oven was the eye level grill on the cooker, it made for a very (one sided) red face in the mornings from the grill beating down on me for a few hours each night. Needless to say once we got the money in from the first weights, we got the proper burners etc in the studio. One way of telling the earliest weights made in the Kitchen is by looking how thick the lampwork seems compared to others of the first range. The stems and leaf joins are the most noticeable I think.
Allan