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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: keith on January 20, 2011, 06:42:29 PM
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8.5 inches high,3 part mould,some wear,USA maybe,the tumbler has the same base but has a 4 piece mould?help please ;D
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It looks like one we haven't been able to get a positive ID on:
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Thanks,I shall have a look at that site,interesting. ;D
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Not sure here -- but I thought I have seen something like it through the realms of the Internet. Maybe I am going :ho: here, and just have looked at too many pictures of Glass. I thought I have seen this pitcher in Milk Glass too (could be wrong, as usual here).
I am not sure, but will keep it in my mind while looking for other things.....
Do not ask me why, but when I first saw it I though of Davidson or Imperial, or Indiana ??? and that is mostly likely so far in LEFT field, I am off the Globe. I will keep it in mind here, as I am sure I have saw this before.........I think :-\
Why do I keep thinking Diamond Point ????????? Is that left field too ???
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I saw this one listed, and although it doesn't give the makers name, I did wonder if seeing it in another colour might help those of you who know what colours different glass makers used.
Might it be Jeannette Glass?
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I would say Indiana Glass in a Diamond point pattern. There are some clear ones at http://www.carnivalheaven.com/indianaglass/id181.htm you can see. This is the first time I've seen the red.
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To me this is STIVER "Diamante" which has been produced since the mid 60s in EVERY conceivable colour.
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OOps, sorry here is the link!! :pb:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170586686838&ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT Mod: Dead link
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Hi Anita, not sure it is Indiana diamond point as their pitcher has a different foot and the handle is placed differently.......I'll keep looking, these colours are so bright, they must be listed somewhere!!
Ivo, where was Stiver glass made please? I can't Google it or find it in any of my company listings....I just hate not knowing!
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Poggibonsi Italy
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Do not ask me why, but when I first saw it I though of Davidson or Imperial, or Indiana ??? and that is mostly likely so far in LEFT field, I am off the Globe. I will keep it in mind here, as I am sure I have saw this before.........I think :-\
Why do I keep thinking Diamond Point ????????? Is that left field too ???
Hi there. I know why I was thinking Diamond Point, because of this item: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,34981.0.html (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,34981.0.html) . Glad to see TxSilver was thinking along the same line.
The one that rosieposie found (in green) does look the same, even though we can not be sure of that attribution there, but funny they also call it a Diamond Point too.
Hmmm.....the search continues. Must be something here on the Net, somewhere. :wsh:
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Thanks Ivo, Italian, wow! I will do a 'trawl' today.
Rose, there is also a blue one identical shape on GMB, but still not identified. I do like your gold banded jar though, very scrumptious!
I have discovered that looking for glass 'jug' gleans very little, it has to be 'pitcher'..........
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I have discovered that looking for glass 'jug' gleans very little, it has to be 'pitcher'..........
lol....pitcher, or water pitcher. :thup:
If that fails, we might have to try to figure out *just* the tumblers first. Maybe there is more info on the Net about the tumblers (glasses, water glasses). So many *different tag* words to try.... :thud:
@ Keith: Can we see a bottom pic of the Tumblers? thanks
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Here you are Rose,out of the six tumblers two I presume are replacements,or a different maker :huh:,apart from being a little taller the colour is lighter and the base is not so well finished. ;D
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There are some red goblets attributed to Jeanette on eBay (#370238916459). I can't see the diamond quilt very well on the eBay ones, but the feet look heavy. The heavy glass and base of yours definitely excludes Imperial or Indiana. Jeanette often had some creative bases, so it is a possibility. Rosieposie mentioned it a few messages ago.
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Here's a picture of some red Jeanette goblets and a pitcher. http://www.replacements.com/webquote/JEGDIPRU.htm. You have to click the link at the bottom to see the pitcher. It looks like yours to me.
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Here's a picture of some red Jeanette goblets and a pitcher. http://www.replacements.com/webquote/JEGDIPRU.htm. You have to click the link at the bottom to see the pitcher. It looks like yours to me.
Looks like it is jeanette Glass there :thup: :thup:
There are some red goblets attributed to Jeanette on eBay (#370238916459). I can't see the diamond quilt very well on the eBay ones, but the feet look heavy. The heavy glass and base of yours definitely excludes Imperial or Indiana. Jeanette often had some creative bases, so it is a possibility. Rosieposie mentioned it a few messages ago.
At least I was right :spls: :spls2: about the Diamond Point term :-\ , but getting so mixed up on all the types of glass. At least one thing stuck in my head, and did not fall out...:24: :24: :24: about the Diamond point term. So much to learn, so little of time...
WTG Rosie, your much smarter than me :girlcheer: :hiclp: and TxSilver for finding that info :hiclp:
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No, not smarter than you Rose, just a lucky hunch!!
I have some Jeannette glass (I think it is 2 n's BTW) but not in this style.
Now will you all have a look at all my unsolved ones and find the makers for me.....please.
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Well done everyone and thanks for all the replies,spot on Anita,exact match with the Jeanette pitcher, ;D ;D ;D
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Have we really got a definative answer Keith? Are we assuming that the eBay listing is 100% acurate?
Yours is the same as theirs, but can we be certain that it is Jeannette Glass? Is there a Jeannette Glass catalogue with it described in??
Perhaps we had better not count our chickens yet........................... :thud:
I think it is 2'n's in Jeannette by the way...........
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If it hasn't been ID'd on chatabout DG it's probably not Jeannette. The ground base seems wrong for a start and their stuff is pretty well known
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Have we really got a definative answer Keith? Are we assuming that the eBay listing is 100% acurate?
Yours is the same as theirs, but can we be certain that it is Jeannette Glass? Is there a Jeannette Glass catalogue with it described in??
Your're right about Jeannette. I think that is the name of a town, right?
I don't trust the eBay listing, but I do trust Replacementsltd.com. These guys know their stuff and have written books on American glass. They are very good.
Lustrousstone, I don't know enough about Jeannette to say anything. I've only had a few things by them. I don't know what chatabout DG is.
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I just thought about the DG. Is that referring to depression glass. This type of glass isn't depression. It was common in the 1950-70s period. A similar pattern was made for Tiara Glass, probably by Indiana. It does resemble the Miss America pattern. I remember trying to turn my Tiara tumblers into Miss Americas until I finally found them on an Indiana Glass site.
From what I found looking for this pitcher, every company appeared to have its diamond point or quilted. Few had red, it seems.
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There are some goblets identified as Jeannette at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350429362312. The bottoms are like Keith's glass. I doubt the bases are ground, just pressed flat with the deeper star in the middle.
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So, is it or is it not the same as the Jeannette Diamond Point one then?
http://images.replacements.com/images/images5/crystal/J/jeannette_diamond_point_ruby_38_oz_pitcher_P0000275109S0002T2.jpg
I'm confuzzled! :pb:
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Anne, you're not alone. For one thing Jeanette didn't do jewel colors like this is and chatabout says it's not Jeanette, they have one in the unknowns that's cobalt. They have a whole bunch of experts on that site, including the guy that wrote the Indiana Glass book and the curator of the Museum of American Glass and if they don't know.... :huh:.
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According to online sources, yes, it is Jeannette. The bottoms of the pitcher and tumblers match, so they would all be Jeannette. Bob Page of Replacements, Ltd., is an expert on vintage American glass, so I'm inclined to trust their attributions.
Added on: Just read decoqueen's response, so the jury is still out on this one.
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Spoke to some people on a US site,one said 'replacements' are wrong about the Jeanette attribution and someone suggested Cambridge glass so I emailed the museum with a pic' and they said it's not one of theirs,will now try Indiana and Stiver :spls: ;D
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This isn't Indiana Glass because the rich jewel colors are not listed and the style is not shown in the book A Century of Indiana Glass. Also the shape is not shown on the Stiver site, I emailed them about it and got no reply, I sent a link using the chatabout pitcher. Here is the Stiver site that shows their patterns: http://www.stiver.it/pag/artavola1.html (http://www.stiver.it/pag/artavola1.html).
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I have a suggest here, not sure IF it will work, or IF any info will come from it ------ but can't one check *Patents On-Line* to see if there are pics somewhere in a Patent Office for this design. Is there something on-line to show the Patent of this item from Jeannette? Then they can, or can not be excluded. Anyone know a Patent number to do a search on-line? Maybe that will bring up more info. Whether a Patent number for this pitcher in Jeannette (must have a number, IF the replacement people can do a pattern of it...) or just something.
I guess we need to put our Heads :ghug: together, and think outside the box of *where* we might be able to find info about this to find a match, or if there is no match. Just a thought....about patent listing.
Surely to goodness, there has to be a record somewhere, IMHO :ho: :ho: :ho: :thud: Does Jeannette have a Place to still write too for info ??
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Janice:have just finished trawling through the Indiana glass and Stiver info',as you've said,zilch,
Rose:good idea but if someone here hasn't heard about such a site I'd be surprised if there is one,you never know though I might be wrong,wouldn't that be a surprise! :pb: :thud:
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Antiquerose123 LINK REMOVED has examples of Jeanette Glass and LINK REMOVED our site has 4,961 patents for glass. Not all patents are online yet but if you look at the examples of Jeanette Glass you will see this pitcher appears to be higher quality, in my opinion!
Google does offer a patent search for anyone that wants to look.
Janice
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Silly question here --- but are JEANETTE GLASS CO. and JEANETTE CORP. (both glass places) the same place, or could this be where some of the confusion may be. Is one older than the other, or made old pattern new.....as I have come across both Jeanette Glass Co. and Jeanette Corp. so I am getting confused here too.
Just tossing this out there..... :spls: <....tossed out there now....>
If a silly question, I can bury my head now -----> or later..... :hm:
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It was Jeannette Glass Company until 1971 when it became Jeannette Corporation. The company closed down in 1977. Note the two n's and the two t's.
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It was Jeannette Glass Company until 1971 when it became Jeannette Corporation. The company closed down in 1977. Note the two n's and the two t's.
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The Corning Museum has both of them spelled like this: Jeanette Corp. and like this Jeanette Glass Co.
Funny that they should miss the "two n's and the two t's." also like me :spls: Should I add the link where I found that there? or not?
lol
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No, it just means no one proof read the website. The number of people who can't spell or don't even know their own company names is astounding.
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Coming back to this whilst housekeeping on the board... there is no sign of the red pitcher under Jeannette on Replacements now, but I did find this pattern and the jug looks mighty close to Keith's one... the tumblers are not shown there though... Diamond Point-Ruby by Ivima
http://www.replacements.com/webquote/ividipru.htm
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Thanks Anne, I'll measure the jug and see if it matches the one listed, now where did I put it ::) ::) ;D ;D
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You gave the size as 8.5" in your original post Keith, and the Ivima one is stated as 8 1/8 in tall so both are probably within an acceptable tolerance size-wise.
The Ivima one is a 38 Oz Pitcher it says... (presumably US fluid ounces - conversion tool here: http://www.metric-conversions.org/volume/us-ounces-to-uk-ounces.htm) which is 1123.794mL or 1.123794 litres! :)
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::) oops, well at least I don't have to go into 'search mode' ;D