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Title: Another flame pontil mark ?
Post by: chriscooper on January 25, 2011, 04:01:09 PM
Picked this little vase up today swear I could see a flame impression in the pontil scar (honestly Sue I could)  :-[
Then again I saw Elvis on my toast once so could just be my fertile imagination again.
No need to be gentle it was only 99p
Will take some better photos tomorrow the light was fading fast.

http://picasaweb.google.com/107067405711297858658/403#

Chris :sun:
Title: Re: Another flame pontil mark ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 25, 2011, 04:37:08 PM
Looks like it could well be an early experimental bit of IoWSG to me. Good find for 99p.
I've got a flame pontil mark on a bit I could have sworn was the coachbolt mark - suzygpr found the slightly squidged flame when she was on holiday here, polishing my glass. :sun:

I saw a lion's face in a poster in a physiology lab. It was an enlarged stained section of a spinal cord.
The brain "sees" faces in random shapes, all it takes is something of a vaguely similar construction.
I don't pay the slightest bit of attention to folk seeing faces in toast or clouds or cornflakes.

Have a peek at the "Sold" archives at IoWSG, here - you'll see a couple of inside-out style vases with similar patterns to this bit you've found.

http://www.isleofwightstudioglass.co.uk/Sold_Archive-b.htm
Title: Re: Another flame pontil mark ?
Post by: johnphilip on January 25, 2011, 06:21:06 PM
Hi Chris i saw Obama bin Laydof the other day he was in the benefits queue
Title: Re: Another flame pontil mark ?
Post by: rosieposie on January 25, 2011, 06:41:55 PM
Sorry Chris, I couldn't resist this.....

http://www.arrogantatheist.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1062
Title: Re: Another flame pontil mark ?
Post by: chriscooper on January 26, 2011, 04:38:22 PM
Sounds promising Sue?
Some more photos if it helps, where do I go from here with it? wait while it goes off the page and hope someone else sees it before it does, is there a forum on the Isle Of  Wight site maybe to forward a photo?
Thanks Chris

You two, your comments have been treated with the contempt they deserve :24:

Chris :sun:

http://picasaweb.google.com/107067405711297858658/115#5566530655176988018
Title: Re: Another flame pontil mark ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 26, 2011, 04:44:16 PM
What two, Chris? - I didn't see anything from a "you two  :pb: :pb: "?

Yes, IoWSG have a forum. Their site is quite comprehensive as well. Loads of archive photos of fabby work by Tim!
Main site:-
http://www.isleofwightstudioglass.co.uk/

Forum:-
http://www.isleofwightstudioglass.co.uk/SMF/index.php

As far as this bit is concerned, I do think asking them directly will yield a definite yay or nay for you.
Title: Re: Another flame pontil mark ?
Post by: chriscooper on January 26, 2011, 07:55:09 PM
Thanks Sue :sun:
You are joking when you say "What two Chris"  I didn't see anything from a "you two" aren't you ?
Chris :sun:
 
Title: Re: Another flame pontil mark ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 27, 2011, 12:24:45 PM
Merely excercising my willing suspension of disbelief, Chris.  :nogos:
Title: Re: Another flame pontil mark ?
Post by: chriscooper on January 27, 2011, 03:30:38 PM
Merely excercising my willing suspension of disbelief, Chris.  :nogos:

"Often used to imply the onus was on the reader"
Your far too clever for me.
There was me thinking you had merely  miss-read the post and thought I was referring to a reply from someone called  "you two"
Anyone who is still confused "you two" refers to my two good friends who made the flippant comments :sun:
Chris
Title: Re: Another flame pontil mark ?
Post by: rosieposie on January 27, 2011, 04:59:43 PM
Does finding this redeem me Chris? ;D  I think it is as clear as yours.  :sun:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rare-Large-IOW-Isle-Wight-Tortoiseshell-Glass-Vase-/330518779913?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item4cf4745809
Title: Re: Another flame pontil mark ?
Post by: chriscooper on January 27, 2011, 05:39:00 PM
Almost :24:

Chris :sun:
Title: Re: Another flame pontil mark ?
Post by: shugdens on January 28, 2011, 01:34:45 AM
I had a blue swirled IOW piece the size of a football sat on a shelf for 3 years awaiting ID, I sta there for hours trying in my mind to make a 'leaping salmon' out of the pontil mark. The sad thing is I'd seen the IOW mark a good few times before but for some reason couldnt put 2 and 2 together with this piece.
In the end I just put it on Ebay for 9.99 as a Strathearn style studio vase, I felt a right right numpty when a kind ebayer told me it was IOW. The 30 or so watchers told me that it was a good find.  :-[ :-[ :-[

I still thank that kind ebay buyer coz it sold for a good few quid once relisted ...
Title: Re: Another flame pontil mark ?
Post by: rosieposie on January 28, 2011, 09:34:53 AM
Well there you go....you see, some of us kind eBayers also tell sellers when they have something rarer than they think,  not just when they are selling junk under a posh name.......
Title: Re: Another flame pontil mark ?
Post by: shugdens on January 29, 2011, 08:29:00 PM
Well there you go....you see, some of us kind eBayers also tell sellers when they have something rarer than they think,  not just when they are selling junk under a posh name.......

It was just so big yet it didnt seem that good a quality to be IOW, there was air bubbles in it, I'd actualy looked at IOW but didnt see anything that looked remotely like it.

I just missed the pontil mark or couldnt make a flame out of it. Even the winner couldnt beleve how big it was once she receved it. It was the size of a football over 12 inches all round & 14 with the neck I seem to remember.

It was kind of the guy who let me know. I sometimes do it myself, mostly for private sellers & some charitys.
Title: Re: Another flame pontil mark ?
Post by: glassobsessed on January 29, 2011, 09:46:52 PM
Bubbles are good! The early IoW bits 'should' have bubbles - all part of the design. Got any photos of it Shugs?

Admittedly this is bubblier than most: http://picasaweb.google.com/Johnmj100/EarlyIsleOfWightStudioGlass#5538006808968087938

John
Title: Re: Another flame pontil mark ?
Post by: chriscooper on January 29, 2011, 09:52:52 PM
Hi Shugdens, did you keep some photos would love to see 'em
Grumps got really excited with your initial thoughts, it seems to have gone rather flat, really thought after you agreed with me it had potential it may have generated a bit of interest, any IoW experts on here? I know Suzy but that's about it, anyone a member of the Isle of Wight site? maybe link the thread to your site.
Chris :sun:
Title: Re: Another flame pontil mark ?
Post by: glassobsessed on January 30, 2011, 12:17:15 AM
Chris your vase has no attribute which strikes me as IoW, the shape is not familiar, the swirls of colour look crude and there is no applied blob of glass on the base with an impressed mark like the IoW from the seventies.

What does it feel like? Quality or tat?

John
Title: Re: Another flame pontil mark ?
Post by: flying free on January 30, 2011, 12:43:58 AM
that base reminds of two Alum Bay pieces I had.  I also wondered about Kerry Glass perhaps?
m
Title: Re: Another flame pontil mark ?
Post by: shugdens on January 30, 2011, 12:56:44 AM
Bubbles are good! The early IoW bits 'should' have bubbles - all part of the design. Got any photos of it Shugs?

Admittedly this is bubblier than most: http://picasaweb.google.com/Johnmj100/EarlyIsleOfWightStudioGlass#5538006808968087938

John
It had that amount of bubbles but it was blue. it honestly didnt feel to have a great deal of quality to it.

there may be a photo on my old computor but it was about 2 years ago i sold it for around £100

@ chris, me agreeing with you dont count for much  :-[
Title: Re: Another flame pontil mark ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 30, 2011, 01:51:36 PM
I have seen a small bit, exactly the same shape as this, for sale on ebay, in what looked like Aurene (I didn't buy it). Early IoWSG is often more "crude" than later work.
Michael Harris only really first got his hands on hot glass in 1967. It takes about 10 years to train as a masterglassmaker - and he was training himself, forever trying to push boundaries forward - he'd only been working with glass for 6-7 years when he set up the IoW Studio. He also took considerable time out from learning while setting studios up - there were serious practical and political difficulties at Mdina initially, and it took a wee while to find the location for IoWSG too. Then he was trying to get Kerry Glass going......