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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on January 26, 2011, 08:59:35 PM
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well, I couldn't really think how else to describe it accurately........the trellis style of hot worked rim decoration is something we see on older pieces usually - more C19 - although this is not of course that old - probably 1930 - 1940 period. But hot worked decoration is surely uncommon on inter war pressed glass?? When seen on vases it has been said that you poked your flower stem through the trellis - but not this one I guess, and I think mine is in fact missing a flower dome/frog, unfortunately. No marks or Nos., although it has a 'tide mark' towards the top, so evidently has been used as a flower bowl at some time. An eight way crimp, and it does in fact produce a reasonable 'ding' when flicked. Something like 10.5"/265mm in diameter, with a typical flat ground outer base rim for the period. I have looked thru Pamela's bowls, but may well have missed it somewhere along the line, so if anyone does recognize it please do let me know, and thanks for looking. :)
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No idea on the bowl but the pictures are excellent.
Chris :sun:
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thanks Chris. I'm not especially gifted at being David Bailey, so guess this more luck than judgment - although must admit this translucent pink does work well under certain lighting (and hides the water staining marks ;)). I will start to have a grope around soon on some more of Pamela's Master Books, but it does seem a round peg in a square hole for the periond I had in mind - maybe it's older than I think. :)
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It's a particularly lovely bowl Paul, and nice to see you around!! I thought you had gone underground for the Winter!! :usd:
I haven't seen anything like this on Pamels website, but I will keep a look out and if I find anything suggesting this style or type, I will post a reply here.
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nope - hadn't gone underground - in fact I usually continue getting up at 5 a.m. most of the winter to find things like this. However, just recently the law of diminishing returns has set in, and remaining in a warm bed with a woman on a Sunday morning, has got the upper hand ;) Regret to say that I still haven't made any progress with this piece - and so continue to be flummoxed. Sincere thanks for all your efforts to help, and I will be overjoyed if you can come up with an attribution. I look forward to your further suggestions, and I still wonder if in fact I am missing a 'frog' or 'dome'. The bowl does have some quite noticeable water staining - and yet its 'open plan' shape seems not to suggest a shape for holding flower stems - but rather as a container in which to put your apples or oranges. Mystified of Surrey?? :)
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??? No clue.
Is it kinda an apricot color? Would it be called an "openedge basket weave" around the outside? Have not found anything, and the only thing that I have found (so far) is like a Fenton open basket weave. ??? HERE (http://www.artfire.com/modules.php?name=Shop&op=listing&product_id=2101885)
I do not think that is the maker - But still trying to look.... :spls:
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It looks like we are on the same wavelength Rose as I had been looking at this piece.
http://www.ecrater.co.uk/p/9941638/fenton-blue-opalescent-basket-weave
I have also been looking at Old Colony glass which has some pieces with a lacy rim, but none of them seem to be hot-worked additions to pressed glass. Do you think it could be American Paul, or are you pretty certain it is English??
I have looked through Pamela's site a bout 6 times and can see nothing that looks like yours, even without an added lacy rim.
Hey ho....on with the search. :wsh:
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my thanks to both of you. Would not be inclined to call the colour 'apricot' - and seems to be the rather proverbial/traditional pinky sort of brown of which vast amounts of pre second war glass was produced - and this one seems quite strongly stransclucent. It's fatal to be dogmatic about anything, especially me and glass attributions - but I don't see it as being from the States - I just have a feeling it is European, but really am only guessing. Looks like we must carry on looking :)
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This is the nearest I have found yet Paul, only showing because it has a stamp on the base and may help to lead somewhere..... :X:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Pottery-glass/Porcelain-pottery/Other-European-manufacturers/auction-358576541.htm
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If there are any fresh eyes out there, maybe someone might have more definite thoughts - it does have the looks to deserve a positive attribution. Anyway, worth trying once more:)
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Is there a possibility that it could be the same maker as the bowl set Helga showed us....you see I think that it may just be possible the loops on her set are hot worked and....well I will go and have another look....and come back again......
Rosie. :)
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don't think so - Helga's bowl is a more modern piece I believe, and my opinion is that those loops are pressed and not hot worked like this bowl. Just been through the LVG catalogues and don't see anything like my one. Will try some more of Pamela's recently added catalogues when I have the time Rosie. :)
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Hello Paul, I said I never give up looking.... well look what I have found!
Not sure if there is a maker's mark, but the owner may know more about it to be of help.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fabulous-Vintage-c1930-Blue-Art-Glass-Bowl-Frill-Lattice-Work-Edge-Table-Centre-/111598528443
Have a look anyway.
Rosie. :)
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thanks very much for your perseverance Rosie - although not quite sure how you 'blow' a piece like that ;)
Must assume the piece lacks any marks to indicate attribution, otherwise the owner would surely have commented - but I do agree that it's identical - and unusual insofar as presumably the hot-worked rim is added manually after the bowl is pressed.
I did see another pink example some last year, but have long since given mine away. :)
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I think it's all pressed and the only hot working is the crimping of the bowl itself.
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Yes I think that was what was so unusual Christine, the fact that some hot worked 'fril'l had been added to a pressed glass bowl... however, I had no idea you had seen another one, nor that you had parted with yours Paul, so I will now delete it from my 'carry on searching' list.
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I'm pretty sure the frill is pressed though.
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It is so uneven and the pink and blue bowls don't seem to have a common number of loops on the rim, so I think Paul was correct that the frill was a hot worked addition.... most probably applied as the bowl was removed from the mould and still hot.
We may never know, but at least we now know that more than one bowl was made.