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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: peejyweejy on February 03, 2011, 01:50:36 PM
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Hi.....have just taken ownership of these wonderful goblets engraved by Peter Dreiser. I have done some research on the Master engraver and read his orbituary. I would like to know, if possible, who these might have been made for. They come with a custom made presentation box in green faux leather. One is dated '71 - so I am assuming that these were engraved by him when he was freelancing. Any ideas please?
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A close up!
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wow! I've a book on glass engraving by Peter Dreiser but I've just had a quick look through and there are no pictures of this in there. It says 7/50 on your glass which might mean 50 were made? so they may have been made for presentation for something or to a company perhaps?
Your photos don't blow up very big and it would be good to see the close up larger if you can :)
m
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Thanks for your input "m" I agree about the photos but I had terrible problems uploading them. Just got a new pc with Windows 7 and it's all a bit new. Will try to upload some more :)
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Try this!
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You're a very lucky human being Peejyweejy!
Beautiful engraving, nice it's of a shy little wildflower (and one of my favourites) rather than something more common and cultivated.
( >:D but I'd want insects in it )
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I think there were insects in it but I washed them out...LOL ;) Seriously...I agree!
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Very gorgeous! I have to say I don't own any engraved glass sadly - I'm envious :mrgreen:
m
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It has been brought to my attention that Peter Dreiser, as a freelancer, acquired some his glasses from Whitefriars, obviously, only prior to the factory's closure in 1980. As these glasses are dated 1971.....there is a possibility. However, they do not have a polished pontil, would this rule them out completely?
Also, is there any chance a kind moderator could add "Whitefriars" ? in the subject title please ;D
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For your information.....I have been communicating with a lovely lady who engraves glass and was trained by Peter Dreisner. She told me about the following and I just had to look them up!
http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/WService=wslive_pub/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=eur&screen=lotdetailsNoFlash&iSaleItemNo=4257055&iSaleNo=17045&iSaleSectionNo=1
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Hello,
Much of what I was going to say has now been written here. The information that was drawn to your attention peejyweejy came from my book for Miller's Glass of the 50's & 60's, A Collector's Guide, page 43.
I don't think that the fact that the glasses used by Dreiser were occasionally from Whitefriars has any real relevance, since it is the work that matters and the name of Peter Dreiser. I suggested in 2000 that these were an area worth collecting at a then realistic price of £70-85. Imagine my pleasure that the three glasses that I've put out in front of all to buy were ignored at about £120.00 each - despite the top tip in the book :o I guess folks thought something like "cheek, he's charging more than in the book"
So, according to the recent Bonham's sale I can now charge about £950.00 each - great, even with their commission it makes me quids in....literally ;) :) :) Just shows what people miss/ignore on dealers stands ........... :spls:
Katherine Coleman MBE is a lovely lady isn't she?.....and her work ain't bad either :thup:
Nigel
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Nigel... thank you so much for your reply - what a fascinating thread this has now become. I feel I have entered a whole new area of glass collecting. I suppose in the right sale these could fetch a "tidy sum" - I'd hang on to yours ;D
I agree with your comment about Whitefriars - I wouldn't mind if the engraving was on a Woollies glass - so long as it was engraved by Peter Dreiser. And, yes, Katharine is lovely and extremely helpful.
Purely out of curiousity, what is the subject matter on your Peter Dreiser pieces?
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>:D Luvvie alert!
Yes, Katherine Coleman is a lovely lady - you could have knocked me down with a feather when she wandered over and introduced herself to me at the Conference....... and her work is just fabulous.........
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Hi peejy,
Two are in the same series as yours, but have different flowers on and the third is a brandy glass with a fish swimming through water weed. I bought the two as part of a large British collection many years ago, and the brandy ballon later. They were added to a wonderful 'Merry-go-round' engraved vessel and lid by Stephen Rickard (which I was sold as Victorian, despite it being signed and dated!!). Sadly, 20th century engraved glass seems generally to have been under-rated in the UK, but that seems to be changing, thank goodness.
I always thought they were quality, but sadly not really in the league of the commissioned pieces that he engraved, particularly the items with an environmental theme - fantastic ;) :) :)
Nigel
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Well I'm converted.....will definitely take more notice of engraved glass! Thanks again Nigel for your input! :kissy:
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Hi all, I was about to ask about a hall mark but have worked it out for myself, then found this post. The story is I have just purchased, from an antique fair this morning, (spotted it a mile away) a Wedgwood goblet engraved by Peter Dreiser, 1971, perfect condition, £25! They sold it to me as an "Orrefors" ??? I saw the signature and decided ok they haven't a clue....bought it and ran....then I worked out the very feint hall mark as Wedgwood, the original Portland Vase version. I have managed to collect now 5 different goblets of Peter's! The others are Whitefriars. :cheers:
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So you're a secret collector as well as being one of our most illustrious engravers yourself, Lesley!
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:-[ *blush* very kind of you. 8) well it makes me feel good that he also slaved away doing what the customer wanted before he eventually could just be his creative self. Man he worked hard!! all the pieces I have are from bulk jobs. He must have been beside himself with frustration. Am so glad he could eventually be free to do what he wanted, I would love to own a piece of his serious one off artworks one day.
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I'm simply being truthful, Lesley - if it's any consolation I far prefer your own work to your commissions, and I'd love a piece by you one day - I dream of owning the piece of cullet you've engraved with that massive spider and other fascinating things...... I'd rather that than a Peter Dreiser piece....... sigh.
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aaah precious! I feel all warm now. Means a lot. Thank you I needed that. (looks sideways at 6 blank crystal cullets on windowsill) :sun: (then carries on with a turkey head for a turkey farmer) :24:
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I suppose if life gives you turkey farmers, you need to engrave turkey heads! :cry:
I was in Kirriemuir a couple of weekends ago, ended up in Bruce Walker's engraving studio having a chat with him - he had some lovely bits of cullet - but was "complaining" that they are unbelievably hard to come by - basically, he had to wait until a pot cracked somewhere, then dive in with a request for bits of the contents.
It's very reassuring to hear you have 6 bits sitting on your windowsill.... the world is waiting with baited breath for you to transform them.......
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indeed, but he will be happy and that makes me happy. Then I have to do a lift shaft and after that a macro cross section through a duel tandem pipe weld of a 52" oil pipe..... c'est la vie! But variety is good and at least I am engraving one of each subject and not 200 like Peter!!!
So here is something for you to drool over, and then I have to get back to work.
Have a great weekend everyone :sun:
ps, I didn't know Bruce so it was nice to see a different engravers work. :-)