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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Roman71 on February 15, 2011, 06:50:41 PM
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Hi there
I have 6 hock glasses
green tops, heavily engravedwith clear cut stems and star bottoms 19cm tall and heavy
i am trying to find out more about these stunning glasses
can anybody help?
Thanks!!
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Welcome to the board. Not without pictures. See here for help http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6522.0.html
You only need to post on one board. Best start off in general glass, then it can be moved if necessary.
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Yes welcome to the GMB. Can you give details about the Walsh attributio? Presumably they're marked on the base?
Christine,
Although good advice to post on the general glass section, it says quite conclusively 'Walsh' in the title - doesn't that make it British?? Sorry, I'm not picking on you, but really making a point, I've given up on the number of threads being posted on the general board (even by folks who have been members for years) that should be under the British glass section, but stay on the general forum regardless :o
Sometimes I don't bother looking on the general section, so can miss them - I can't be the only one ;)
Nigel
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Too often people make assumptions and post on a specific board, and then wonder why there are no replies because their item isn't what they think it is and the "specific specialists" don't have a clue. Anne's advice is always to post on here first and as there was no mention of marks...
(While you're around Nigel, would you look at this please http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,37868.0.html :kissy:)
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Got There!!!
Hope u like them?
I use them from time to time but am worried about breaking them to be honest!
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They are marked 'Walsh England' on the base
Hope you can help
Thanks!
roman
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hello roman :) - According to Eric Reynolds (see below), the back stamps for Walsh were produced by acid etching, and after the initial registration of the trade mark 'WALSH' in 1926, it was just this one word that was shown as the back stamp, for the approximate period 1926 to c. 1930. Subsequently this back stamp was modified to include the word 'ENGLAND' (underneath) for the period c.1930 to 1951. I have looked thru the large number of pages within Reynold's volume showing reproductions of pages from the Factory Pattern Books - and there are indeed several cut designs for hock glasses. Unfortunately, either due to my eyesight or the small detail on the pages, I am unsure as to which pattern your particular glasses belong. Perhaps someone else is able to improve on my efforts. :)
Reference: 'The Glass of John Walsh Walsh 1850 - 1951' - Eric Reynolds 1999. ........a book well worth buying.
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Roman, you can post up to four images per post - saves you having to do them separately. :thup: Click the more attachments link after the Browse button on the posting screen.
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Thanks for your help
I will try and source the book you reccomend as I am interested to learn more, think I could easily get hooked on Glass, very facinating stuff!
Again, thankyou for your help!
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Roman — Like Paul I've not yet found this exact pattern in the Walsh factory pattern books reproduced in Reynolds, but your lovely glasses are, I think, the third example of this cut pattern I've seen. One I have in stock, a large lidded powder bowl, probably from a trinket set. Note that I've not checked it for certain — I will probably see it next in my preparations for the Cambridge Fair at the end of the month and will check it then. Let me know if you can bring a glass to Cambridge for direct comparison.
I suspect that the pattern might have been a retailer or wholesaler exclusive. We know little about exclusives, as the deal was invariably not publicised, but we have evidence for a few. We know of nonstandard colours of the Jobling Dancing Lady centrepiece for Marks & Spencer (see Baker & Crowe) and special colours and patterns made by Whitefriars for J. Wuidart & Co. There is at least one exclusive to be found in the Walsh pattern books, and I strongly suspect that an exclusive deal explains the rarity of the Walsh signature range patterns Rainsford, Leigh, and Ryde.
All glassworks would have welcomed exclusive made-to-order-only deals. Besides the obvious advantages to the retailer or wholesaler, the glassworks benefited from not having to publicise the pattern in the trade catalogue, from not having to make for and keep stock, and from not having to display the pattern in their showrooms or at exhibitions.
Don't forget to let me know if you're bringing a glass to Cambridge.
Bernard C. 8)
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Thanks Paul and Bernard
I am going to try and source the book mentioned in previous posts
It has mad me more curious to find out more about these glasses and try to get the other 6 which were left to me in estate
I think I will stop using them and maybe put them in a display case
Thanks for your help!
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another picture
hope this one is clearer
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unfortunately, this picture is fuzzy also...........are you using a phone or camera? Like many contributors to the GMB, I notice that you have not completed the fields for location etc., so don't know your whereabouts, which can be helpful with attributions, sometimes. Believe the word 'estate' is used more frequently by those on the other side of the pond? However, very attractive glasses (this is a favourite period of mine) and I hope you are successful in acquiring the remainder. I agree, they need to be cosseted, otherwise pound to a penny one at least will get broken. :)
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Hi Paul
I will try another pic later will take with my camera in some good light
I am based in machester UK, I have inherited from my late father, he collected all sorts of Glass and furniture
there are other examples I may be posting soon, heavily cut bowls and fruit dishes ect
I am definatley going to put them somewhere safe as after a glass or 2 I do get clumsy!
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Hope clearer?
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but stay on the general forum regardless
The point I was making is that even when things get identified they stay on the general part of the board.
Already looked at your vase Christine ;) :)
Nigel
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Already looked at your vase Christine ;)
and...? Does silence mean I might be right (hence the ;) ) or I might be wrong?
I think the Mods are endeavouring to be more proactive in their moving of ID'd or known stuff.