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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: flying free on February 19, 2011, 05:49:04 PM
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umm, I bought this for a two reasons a) I hoped it was a maker I want to collect (now I've got a feeling I got it wrong :-\ ) and b) it sits well with my bubbly collection (variety of different makers) and adds a different colour, so reason b) worked out ok.
So, I looked this up before I bought it and still went ahead and bought it anyway, but I cannot work out who it's by.
I thought it wasn't Monart, Vasart or Strathearn. I hoped it wasn't Nazeing because I am not keen on the colours or the shapes that I see around much so wouldn't want to collect any more (which is why I've now got a feeling I got it wrong). I also hoped it wasn't Alum Bay as I've given all my other pieces away as presents. Thereafter looking through pics on the net and Charles Hajdamach's book I can't find a match (or at least not the one I wanted to find :cry:)
Edited to add size 5 1/4"wide by 2 1/4" high and *very* slightly oval rather than truly circular and the dark area at the base is lighting only as it has a thick clear casing at the base. It's heavy for it's size, well made I think. The rim curves in gently at the top over the bowl sort of.
So... any thoughts please would be very much appreciated :)
thanks so much
m
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more pics
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sorry more pics ;D It wont let me load them all together, I think the close ups on my camera are too large or something.
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Is it Nazeing then ? does anyone know or can anyone discount this for me? It's the closest I could come taking into account the bubbles the colour and the pontil mark and I believe I read that Nazeing has a thick clear casing sometimes?. But I just had a doubt as the effect isn't as 'cloudy/milky' round the bubbles as the pieces I have seen (maybe a different decor though?) and I can't find a match to the way the base is.
I can't match the shape on Ysart glass site or the colouring I don't think, so that's why I've discounted Monart, Vasart and Strathearn.
Help much needed please.
Many thanks
m
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Graystan?
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Well :ooh: that's what I was hoping but daren't say. If it is I will be so thrilled. If it isn't c'est la vie I guess.
So, hope reigns still.
thanks John
m
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Wrong sort of bubbles for Nazeing - but I think that makes them wrong for Grey-Stan too.....
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Thanks Sue :)
I have had another look at the book now and compared in daylight, and actually now I do think it is remarkably similar to page 88 Gray Stan vase in a very similar colour ( the one in the book just looks very *slightly* brighter than mine though in real life - my photos on here don't show mine as plum as it is :-\) The bubbles in that one look the same I think with a minute rim of colour round them, as does the swirl effect on the body of the piece.
Things are still looking up I think :X:
m
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Our Nigel is the specialist in that type of glass , but not an extwerp .
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thanks so much JP, Nigel has also very kindly helped me before with my other vase :) . I don't like to ask until I have exhausted all research options, but I am well and truly stuck on this one now as I don't have an actual to compare it to. I've got Vasart, Strathearn (no Monart mind you but I don't think it is that) and various other bubblys, but not anything like this one. If anyone spots Nigel on the board then, please could you ask him if he has time, to look in here as well? :kissy: Many thanks.
m
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'Twerp reporting in........... ;) :thup:
Well, well, well, Nazeing, Gray-Stan.....Gray-Stan, Nazeing......ya got me!!! :o :huh:
Oh alright, you twisted my arm, it's regarded as Nazeing and from the Elwell period, identified through the Elwell find.
Most certainly not Gray-Stan !! Wrong colour, wrong thickness of glass for that range of their wares, etc., etc.
Nigel
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:kissy: thank you Nigel. Well, I hadn't got to that conclusion totally, but what I did think was, the colour wasn't quite right for Gray Stan, there wasn't the correct whorls or swirls or something about the way the colour was laid on or something wasn't quite right.... I couldn't quite put my finger on it... and then the casing was too thick on the base and the pontil mark wasn't just quite right - so then I went onto your site and looked at the Nazeing exhibition photographs and there in the cabinet (the one nearest in the photo) , middle shelf is a green bowl that looks remarkably similar in shape and size.
I hope this link works but it needs to enlarge on the screen to see the bowl more clearly -
http://www.20thcentury-glass.org.uk/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html?linkedwidth=560&linkpath=http://20thcentury-glass.org.uk/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Copyof190703009a.jpg&target=tlx_picms5n
And I was just about to post and came here and you'd already seen it :hiclp:
So... I am learning :rah: and I was right with my first instinct.
Thanks so much :)
m
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Hiya,
Thank you for the link, but I have to shatter your hawk-eyed observation - that ash-tray isn't the same as yours :o
For reasons explained elsewhere on the board no pieces like yours were in he exhibition, since there was doubt about their origins. Therefore no items that we now associate with the Elwell find were shown. The shape of the May Green ash-tray shown in the exhibition is different, as is the way the colour is laid in, and it can be traced directly to Nazeing production of the pre-war era.
Nigel
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;D I did go and read the Elwell information thereafter ;)
so... mine is then post war? Do we know what time period it falls into please?
Many thanks Nigel.
m
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Simple answer? No :huh:
Certainly not with any accuracy, I'm afraid - although a guestimate based on indications would be late 40's through 50's.
Nigel
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thank you Nigel :clap: certainly the base wear on mine looks commensurate with a pretty good age.
m
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Came across this thread accidentally whilst looking for Alum Bay glass pieces.
I'm pretty sure/very sure that this was made by Stevens and Williams - well either that, or my Stevens and Williams vase isn't S&W.
I had forgotten I ever had this bowl and have no idea where it is now, but I have a vase that I think is made in the same way colours laid on and same colours an is Stevens and Williams. It's on the board somewhere so I'll try and find it and link it.
m