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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: Della on January 12, 2006, 01:17:53 PM
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Hi All,
Okay, I know who and where this was made, the label says it all, but when would this 8" vase have been made?
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10026/VNason.jpg
The label I have posted as a matter of interest to other members.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10026/Nasonlabel.jpg
Many thanks as always. :lol:
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Hi
I Love this vase, having the original label makes it so much more desirable to completist / researcher and collector alike
See 'Great Glass' below
http://www.great-glass.co.uk/library/lib4ab.htm items 5940 & 7528 are described as having the original label and are given a date of 1950s
I collect V Nason, but don’t have a piece of this which I see is called ‘Avventurina’ - nice to see a label with the name of the range – there seem to be so many shapes they made with this beautiful glass. I have Nason labels on 1950s and 60s items and they are consistent with your label.
I know from pieces that I have from the early 1980s on Nason used a round plastic label with white lettering.
V Nason & C. are still going to this day and this range remains one of their most popular for collectors.
The label is so good along with the item; it would be an excellent addition to thread 'Murano 101: Murano Labels!!!'
Thanks
Adam P
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Thanks for the information Adam.
I thought that it was possibly from the 50's, but the vase is in such beautiful condition that it didn't seem likely. It must have been in a cabinet for all of it's life.
I bought this one, after seeing a tiny picture of it, mainly because it had a label on it.
I have no objection to the photo's going into the 'Murano: 101 Murano Labels' thread.
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I'm a little uncertain about whether this is the correct dating for this style of vase. According to Ivo's book they traded as V.Nason after 1989. I have several of this style myself and the label does appear old in style, but is much later. The typical Nason logo can be seen on either end of the 'Avventurina' label and looks quite modern, as does the text. Here's a complete one:
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/labels/nason-aventurine.jpg
The later clear plastic rectangular label does show the 'Nason' logo much clearer (c.1990-on?):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/labels/owl203.jpg
V.Nason would appear to have evolved from VNC and Veritable Opaline of Murano, who were in business around 1967. This is according to Ivo's Fact File book. The following label is taken from a vase; note the gold 'N' in the red circle on the left.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/labels/nason-vnc.jpg
Additionally, I did find a mention somewhere on the 'Net that V.Nason had since closed down business, and I think this was sometime around 2001. If I find the link again I will post it, but perhaps Alex can confirm for certain?
I may be wrong (in which case, apologies to Philip Petrides of Great Glass), but coupled with the info from Ivo's book, I believe this to be correct.
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Oh, I think the font used for the Avventurina label is Microgramma Bold Extended and came out around 1970!
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Thank you for the information David.
I have tried to go to the V. Nason website, but it gives an error notification.
I think I should hold on to this vase if they have ceased producing glass, maybe it will be worth something one day.
Even for a 1970's vase (nearly as old as me), it is wearing much better than I am. :roll:
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Della,
Have you actually got a URL for V.Nason? As a collector of their glass I have plenty of the vases and several glass animals, some with rectangular paper labels, others with clear plastic ones, and have tried to find more information on the company, with little success.
All the Avventurina pieces I have are also in excellent condition with very little wear to the base. But they are excellent items and very striking: they could very well be tomorrow's collectables — we'll see!
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David,
This is where I found the URL and address of V. Nason & C.
http://www.italiangiftware.com/search_end_result.asp?id=208
There is also a 'contact this company' button on the page, but I don't know if it works.
Good luck :!:
P.S. There are other addresses etc. for Italian companies here;
http://www.italiangiftware.com/search_cat_results.asp
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Thanks, but it does look like this is a dead link. I tried sending a mail but this got bounced back as well (think I tried this before, to be honest!)
So perhaps where I read this information on the closure of V.Nason is true? I certainly hope not... :cry:
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Good point David
I forgot to look at the date range for V Nason in Ivo's book. I got caught in the trap of looking at dates on websites like great-glass and some other glass books I have.
According to Ivo V Nason started trading in 1967 so none of the vases can be 1950s - apologies for that slip up Della. I should have known better as I posted info from an internet source on another thread last year Vincenzo Nason like Carlo Moretti trained at Venini, but he went on to set up on his own in Murano - Nason called his company Nason & Cie - Nason and Co on all export wares - the company was started in 1966 - 67 and is still going to this day
But I am now confused ref the only trading as 'V Nason' since 1989.
My folks bought this vase in 1985, I know this as it was an anniversary present and there is card that goes with it
http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nason11ai.jpg
This piece was bought in the early to mid 1970s
http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nasoncopy5ke.jpg
I can't believe ref the sources I bought the sommerso vase from that it is 1990s, the ware to the base and browning to the excellent and intact label tell another story.
Well Della the Nason Logo on my Sommerso vase was a reference point for me in dating your piece as it also has a similar logo - I will concede David's point that the Avventurina vases can't be 1950s but I am still to be convinced that they are not also 1970s (good point about the font type David) - could it be that they introduced the style in the 70s and carried it through with same label into a new century?
This is an interesting link to another forum http://forums.fossilfly.com/showthread.php?p=586#post586 see the pics of a 'Nason Dolphin' and 'Bull' the buyer remembers buying in the mid 1970s - see the label is the same as on my sommerso vase.
1950s Nason I get in my Italian books and catalogues is mostly Nason E Morreti
I thought V Nason & C was still going, but I don't see much internet activity. The ever reliable (LOL) Glass-Notes states Nason & C., Vincenzo
Murano, Venice, Italy (current) Art glassware, lighting & bathroom accessories
Adam P
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Adam,
Please do not feel like you have to apologise, it really isn't necessary.
If we all had the answers, this board would not be what it is.
I am now more curious than ever after having read your latest post.
I see in another thread that you have emailed a friend and Nason & Moretti for information. I can't wait to find out what their replies will be.
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Adam, with regard to labels I would think the paper ones preceded the plastic ones. As for when the 'Avventurina' labels came into being, I cannot say for certain but the ones on my vases all look very fresh. As mentioned the wear on the bases is also minimal.
I also tend to think the circular ones are the latest (last?) variety. The reason for saying this is because they are the only ones where the 'N' logo is missing.
I have so far found three paper label types:
White text on black
Dull gold text on black
Bright gold text on light gold
Then there are two plastic ones (white text on clear):
Rectangular with rounded corners
Round with text around the periphery and no logo
While I know what you mean when you say "V Nason started trading in 1967", that does sound more like the company name, rather than the person! Might be better to distinguish between the two by calling him Vicenzo.
I'll see if I can find this mention about V.Nason closing down.
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Hi
I got an email back from Nason & Moretti 18h Jan 2006.
Thay (They) are closed!!!!
From: "Nason & Moretti S.r.l."
18/01/2006 07:03:18 GMT Standard Time
There are three to many exclamation marks to my thinking LOL. Do you think that is irritation or glee.
So we won't be getting much information out of V Nason & C unless any records or catalogues have been stored away.
David you are right, as said in the quote 'Vincenzo Nason left Venini in 1967 to set up on his own' rather than V Nason set up in 1967, as you suggest I was taking a shortcut.
Adam P
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Oh, I think the font used for the Avventurina label is Microgramma Bold Extended and came out around 1970!
Before the pedants come swooping down like vultures, the font was designed in 1952 by Alessandro Butti with Aldo Novarese, so I was wrong in assuming the 1970s. Surprising as it looks much later...
http://www.linotype.com/7-672-7/abutti.html
Thanks for confirming the details of V.Nason, although I read something only yesterday about rival makers claiming companies had closed down to elicit business from the unwary! However, I think this is correct unfortunately.
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I am still searching for more info and just came accross this:
http://glass-in-venice.atspace.com/newentries/30-10-04/
Scroll down a little, look at the date quoted here :?: :?: :?:
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Well spotted, Della!
I've sent the Rossella Junck Gallery an email asking for clarification, and have forwarded this link.
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Adam can you edit out the email address please.
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This must be one of the greatest misconceptions online and in books David -
That V Nason & C (especially Avventurina) is 1930s, 1950s - It's not just Ivo's book that states clearly Vincenzo Nason left Venini in 1967, many reliable Italian websites state the same, that is in fact where I lifted the quote in my other post.
You further point out in several posts that for many years they didn't even trade under the name V Nason.
It is a bit frustrating and I feel for so many buyers thinking they are getting something much older than it is :cry: :? :cry:
Adam P
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I have since received a reply from Aldo of the Rossella Junck Gallery, who I believe has also joined this forum.
His belief is that the item was purchased in Florence, c.1970 but there also was a Vincenzo Nason, glass maker, who died in 1948.
Apparently the 1kg weight (as pictured on their site - so that's what it is!) were "used" [made?] in Italy before 1960, but not since. He also believes this effect of 'black and aventurina' is typical of the 1930s.
He is checking further, so I hope he does get back.
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Hi David,
I hope he gets back too.
I noticed that the weight has the same label applied to it as my vase has.
These weights may have been "used" (made?) before 1960, but that does not alter the fact that it has a 1970's label attached to it.
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Hi Della,
It is quite possible the 'weight was made much later as a piece of retro design, particularly as it might have some historical link to the past.
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There are two (and probably more than two!) Vincenzo Nason in the history of Murano glass.
Vincenzo Nason (dead in 1948) opened his own company (Vincenzo Nason & C.) in 1934 and produced items with avventurina, blown in moulds, with a technique never used before in Murano, spotted with black, red, blue, or yellow glass.
For this reason I thought and wrote that the "One-kg weight" presspapier that I published in:
http://glass-in-venice.atspace.com/newentries/30-10-04/index.html
was made before the second world war, prob. in the 30's.
I'm sure that this presspapier has nothing to do with the Vincenzo Nason who opened the factory in 1967, and surely is not from the 70's (see please the interesting text by Vettore Zaniol "L'avventurina", printed in the catalogue "L'avventurina. L'oro di Murano", 2004, Venezia, pp. 7-35)
Note that sometime in Murano the companies put new paper label on old item
Because of I'm a serious antique dealer, I'm very happy to learn something new concerning this item, this company, and this paper label
Aldo Bova
Galleria Rossella Junck
Venezia
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Hi Aldo,
Thanks for your comments: obviously this needs investigating further as I don't believe Ivo Haanstra, author of Miller's Glass Fact File A-Z, is around to comment.
I would certainly like to read the article you mention – do you have a link or an area to download it?
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Hi David,
the book is available at this (ane surely others) link:
http://www.libroco.it/cgi-bin/dettaglio.cgi?codiceweb=98999729146693
But at the moment there is no link or area to download it
Aldo
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I have since found the following after doing a search on Google, all pertaining to V.Nason:
http://www.cmog.org/index.asp?pageId=693
Shows a Vase by Carlo Nason (b. 1936)
Italy, Murano, Vincenzo Nason & C. Glassworks, designed about 1958
Blown, cased, and acid-etched
However, this would make Carlo only 22 when he made this.
http://davidesalvadore.com/info.html
The official site of Davide Salvadore, current Murano glassblower, it mentions:
1992 - Collaboration with the designer Carlo Nason of "Vincenzo Nason" on Murano. Note: there are many other links that report this same information. This must be considered the most reliable
http://www.muranonet.com/page.php?sid=a96c792cc744d5db4ca70f76179196aa&pageid=PAGTP007
Vincenzo Nason
Founded at 1923, nowadays the production of this factory is mainly based on two kind of designs: animals and figures, in Crystal glass or in colored glass. They also produce blown items (mostly vases) and pressed and cut items (ash-trays, paper-weights, etc.) that can be realized also for promotions. They are able to make important illumination systems for big architectural complexes.
This would appear to contradict everything else. But it does mention this in the present tense (as though the company were still producing), meaning it must be the V.Nason that recently closed down. The items mentioned all tally with pieces I own
http://212.239.38.194/godado.pperl?Keywords=nason
18. Abitare il tempo
...Sangiovanni Elvilino Zangrandi) The pieces will be created in the fair by master glass makers from Vincenzo Nason & C. and Elite Murano With the exhibition "The Island...
This is a listing in a search engine and would appear to refer to a recent fair.
19. Brava casa - informazioni
Address given as:
V. Nason & C. via Vivarini 16 Murano (Ve) tel. 041/739026.
... this appears to be a modern address
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oops. posted in wrong topic... moved now :oops:
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Actually it was me that provided the link, but I think you've posted this in the wrong topic? :)