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Title: Pink alabastro (?) vase Murano? if so which maker seguso
Post by: jonchellycain on February 26, 2011, 05:35:20 PM: Hi all
Picked this little vase up and was thinking it was Murano alabastro, am i on the right track?
the base has a tool marked pontil (cut off) and fire heated i think (what ive seen called "the Scorpion" mark... i know i know "if it doesnt have the scorpion mark its not really Murano glass" anybody else heard that one? :pb:, how these rumours get around i dont know :thud:)
It stands at 21.5cms tall
any help much apreciated
michelle
https://picasaweb.google.com/112538457954992188877/CurrentlyUnknown#5578027625773663426
4 pictures
Title: Re: Pink alabastro (?) vase Murano? if so which maker seguso
Post by: johnphilip on February 26, 2011, 05:40:05 PM: The Scorpian mark is i believe a myth some pillock a few years back saw the shear marks and thought it looked like a Scorpian , it sold for more money with the Scorpian story VOILA . I believe it started with the Murano clowns .
Title: Re: Pink alabastro (?) vase Murano? if so which maker seguso
Post by: jonchellycain on February 26, 2011, 05:59:12 PM: i hear it so many times and there is only so many times i can say.. its just a myth, the mark is from how the piece is cut, but some people just remain adament and the next time they say the same thing >:(
michelle
Title: Re: Pink alabastro (?) vase Murano? if so which maker seguso
Post by: TxSilver on February 26, 2011, 06:10:14 PM: I don't believe the vase is alabastro. It isn't Seguso definitely. I believe the glass is the type called opaline veritable, but can't see the characteristics of the glass well in the pictures. This type of glass was made in France, Italy (Nason), Germany, and probably other countries. It looks like the very top of your rim is clear, so that helps some. Nason had a clear ring on their pieces, but it was a bit below the rim instead of on top. So your vase doesn't appear to be Nason. If you put "veritable opaline" into Google, there are many pieces similar to yours, but I didn't see an exact one when I looked briefly.
Title: Re: Pink alabastro (?) vase Murano? if so which maker seguso
Post by: johnphilip on February 26, 2011, 06:22:52 PM: Walsh did a similar range , wheres Bernard ?... of course on his way to Cambridge . :hi:
Title: Re: Pink alabastro (?) vase Murano? if so which maker seguso
Post by: jonchellycain on February 26, 2011, 06:24:15 PM: Many thanks Anita, it does appear to have a very tiny amount of clear just on the very tip of the rim. It is very dirty inside which makes it look a bit darker towards the bottom of the pink bit.
just added 2 more pics
https://picasaweb.google.com/112538457954992188877/CurrentlyUnknown#5578065528932638978
https://picasaweb.google.com/112538457954992188877/CurrentlyUnknown#5578065540207020130
thanks
Title: Re: Pink alabastro (?) vase Murano? if so which maker seguso
Post by: TxSilver on February 26, 2011, 06:33:30 PM: When you hold the glass to sunlight, does it have "amber fire"? Veritable opaline shows its amber in direct sunlight. Alabastro is opaque, so achieving a clear rim without applying different glass wouldn't be possible.
Title: Re: Pink alabastro (?) vase Murano? if so which maker seguso
Post by: jonchellycain on February 26, 2011, 06:49:06 PM: I live in the UK Anita, we dont get sunlight here ;D, will give it a go on monday (im at the glass fair tomorrow and its nearly 7pm and very dark now
many thanks
michelle
Title: Re: Pink alabastro (?) vase Murano? if so which maker seguso
Post by: TxSilver on February 26, 2011, 06:58:35 PM: I looked at the pedestal of yours and it does look very white and opaque, so I could have been totally wrong about the veritable opaline. I found so many things similar to your vase, but nothing exact. I have a feeling we'll be able to find it.
Title: Re: Pink alabastro (?) vase Murano? if so which maker seguso
Post by: flying free on February 26, 2011, 07:05:13 PM: Michelle if you hold it up to a strong electric light the base should have a fiery opalescence I think and perhaps the vase also? It could be Stelvia maybe? Or maybe as Anita says Opaline Veritable? eek I'm off to hide before I get told off for saying the wrong thing :ooh
m
Title: Re: Pink alabastro (?) vase Murano? if so which maker seguso
Post by: jonchellycain on February 26, 2011, 07:40:20 PM: OK ive held it up to the kitchen strip light and my dining room light which is an energy saver so not to strong but it does give off an amber colour here's the pic's with a very shaky hand im afraid (holding it up on tip toes and taking a picture isnt that easy, plus im a bit :ho: so that would be the shaky hands)
michelle
https://picasaweb.google.com/112538457954992188877/CurrentlyUnknown#5578084863964329058
https://picasaweb.google.com/112538457954992188877/CurrentlyUnknown#5578084884486010690
https://picasaweb.google.com/112538457954992188877/CurrentlyUnknown#5578084914215055138
p.s please try not to notice the big spidersweb :-[

Just found this for Stelvia much finer than mine i would say
http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65_212&products_id=2408&zenid=4276e05561144b4252a4da36872b7e9a
michelle
Title: Re: Pink alabastro (?) vase Murano? if so which maker seguso
Post by: TxSilver on February 26, 2011, 08:15:59 PM: As white as the base of yours is, I suspect it is French. The Italian are usually milkier.
Title: Re: Pink alabastro (?) vase Murano? if so which maker seguso
Post by: Ivo on February 26, 2011, 08:18:58 PM: having something very similar here in yellow with an Italian sticker, there is little doubt this is Empoli.