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Title: is this Burmese?
Post by: ju1i3 on March 06, 2011, 11:42:05 AM

I was watching this on ebay (and bid but it got too high) and was wondering if it's Burmese glass and if anyone's seen anything similar? I saw a number of pieces of Burmese glass through google (inc Fenton, Mt Washington, Thomas Webb) but couldn't see this shape.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260743900849&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

thanks

Title: Re: is this Burmese?
Post by: keith on March 06, 2011, 11:56:30 AM

I'll be very interested in what is said as I was given orders(from the boss) to get this because she loves pink shaded glass ;D

Title: Re: is this Burmese?
Post by: Lustrousstone on March 06, 2011, 12:42:09 PM

It wouldn't surprise me; but the price says that either the experts know it's not or they don't know either. The threading is Webb-ish, the ribbing is Webb-ish; so I'd go with probably Webb and probably Burmese.

Title: Re: is this Burmese?
Post by: ju1i3 on March 06, 2011, 01:16:00 PM

Oh so Keith you're the one who was bidding against me?  :P

Title: Re: is this Burmese?
Post by: Paul S. on March 06, 2011, 03:06:49 PM

I know that pics. on the screen can be misleading  -  but have just looked thru the Grover, Gulliver and Skelcher volumes at 'Burmese' - and have to say that examples shown in the illustrations in these books are a completely different shade of  'pink' when compared to this piece.    Pieces in the books (Webb and Mt. Washington) show the non pink parts as being cream rather than white.   Do we think that the seller should have shown a picture of the 'glow'  -  and what is with this 'Lalique' name?     Just to clarify, I don't possess a single piece of Burmese, so could be talking out of the back of my hat - so interesting to see the end result -  were you the winner Keith?? :)

Title: Re: is this Burmese?
Post by: Lustrousstone on March 06, 2011, 04:06:09 PM

The pink varies quite a lot on Burmese and that photo is outside in shade. The only way to know for sure is with a UV light. I suspect the seller picked a random name out of the glass hat, as the other pieces they're sold have been randomly categorised as Scandinavia/Murano!

Title: Re: is this Burmese?
Post by: keith on March 06, 2011, 04:27:51 PM

Sorry Julie :-[,yes it was me,what the 'Lalique' thing was I have no idea,I'll post pic's when it arrives and will compare it with my only piece of Burmese,

Title: Re: is this Burmese?
Post by: Ohio on March 06, 2011, 08:35:43 PM

Its not Mt. Washington & there is a good deal of white which in my experience pushes it in the questionable Burmese category...as in Murano Burmese...hope it reacts as that solves alot of issues. Ken 

Title: Re: is this Burmese?
Post by: Paul S. on March 06, 2011, 09:56:40 PM

we must remember, of course, that this piece was not being sold as 'Burmese' - so if it turns out to be simply a pink and white piece of glass, then the seller has not misled anyone with a wrong attribution in that direction.   However, word association suggestions of 'art deco' and Lalique, are very questionable.   Point is that if Keith's other half likes it then who are we to comment, and we feel sure she will enjoy her piece of pink and white glass bowl ;D

Title: Re: is this Burmese?
Post by: keith on March 06, 2011, 10:08:10 PM

....and I'll be in her good books which means I get to spend more on what I like! ;D

Title: Re: is this Burmese?
Post by: keith on March 13, 2011, 04:51:41 PM

Came yesterday,just picked it up,bit of a pig to photo,the base is not as white as it looks,it has a broken pontil mark that has been 'smoothed' out,not polished,have put it next to a modern 'Fenton' piece to compare.

Title: Re: is this Burmese?
Post by: Lustrousstone on March 13, 2011, 05:05:03 PM

But does it glow bright green under a UV light? That's the test. That Fenton is much more yellow that the original Mt Washington or Webb Burmese. If it glows, I would say it was a piece of Webb. The pontil obviously cracked off too far for the mark to be polished out successfully. Expensive glass like that wouldn't have been discarded for a flaw that was going to be hidden.

Title: Re: is this Burmese?
Post by: keith on March 13, 2011, 06:29:51 PM

Christine,just found my mini uv light,best I could do but green it be!

Title: Re: is this Burmese?
Post by: Paul S. on March 13, 2011, 07:07:28 PM

congratulations Keith  -  you seem to have a winner :)

Title: Re: is this Burmese?
Post by: KevinH on March 13, 2011, 07:27:17 PM

Yes, definitely Burmese. The really neat machine-threading might suggest English, but did the Americans also do that type of threading (and do it well :))?

Title: Re: is this Burmese?
Post by: Ohio on March 14, 2011, 12:26:41 AM

U.S Burmese is either Mt. Washington, Fenton or Pairpoint (both Gunderson & Bryden) & I  believe this is Webb in my opinion. Even though its the same chemical formula, typical Webb usually exhibits far more white shading that Mt. Washington which is more golden yellow & I cannot find any MTW pieces that have threading, but thats simply my opinion. Ken

Title: Re: is this Burmese?
Post by: keith on March 14, 2011, 01:05:35 AM

Thanks all ;D ;D

Title: Re: is this Burmese?
Post by: Lustrousstone on March 14, 2011, 07:44:06 AM

Looks like a second cousin to this; same dip mould, same threading, just different final shaping http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,37868.msg208082