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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: AJLUNN1965 on March 18, 2011, 11:02:34 PM
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Def Murano but who designed it?? About 8" in dia & 2kg in weight!! Any of you guys any ideas?? Im new to the art glass area....so any help would be great!!!
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That's more clear on the bottom than I'm used to seeing on Murano geode pieces. Most I've seen have either two colours or use bullicante. What's the base like? Wear? A photo from above and below would help.
David
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Hi
A couple of images that may help! The base is in good condition, the pontil has been removed very neatly so there is a very shallow recess. Which forms a rim which the bowl will sit upon.
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2nd image
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It's a nice piece. I still get a more Scandinavian than Murano feel from it. I'm far from certain, and so I make the suggestion more to get a reaction from others than to suggest a positive attribution. It's one of those pieces I like to hear other people describe so that I can learn somehting.
David
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Hello David
It was sold to me as Murano by a very experienced dealer from Alfies Market in London who sells just glass! So i would like to know if it is??? Its such a great looking bowl in superb condition & very heavy!!
There's very little wear to the base.
I have extensive knowledge in other areas of antiques.....but i'm completely new to 20th century glass! So i'm learning something new everyday!! So if anyone has any ideas or info i would greatly appreciate it!
Andrew
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Does not "feel" Italian to me either........ I agree with David, the distribution of clear around the blue does not strike me as Italian work...... and although it is not completely unheard of, dished pontil scars are, in my experience, relatively uncommon on Italian glass in this type of form..... generally you find the bases ground flat and polished....
Craig
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Kev
Why has this been moved? As i Still believe that it's Murano?
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With due respect, I suspect you may be the only one who does.
It is more likely to find an attribution in the main glass forum - then if it is Murano, it can be put back.
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The main point of identification is to correctly attribute a country/manufacturer to your piece. It appears that two experienced members have already expressed doubt as to it being "Murano". Too often, this tag is lazily dangled in front of art glass purely to achieve a sale, whereas GMB members here do not necessarily have any profit motive.
Personally, I think I'd be happier with a Scandinavian attribution... however, I think if a mod were to change the title of this thread to something more inclusive, such as "Geode, unknown maker, but who???", it might achieve more success.
As Sue points out, if it is IDed as Murano, then it can be moved back to that forum.
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I have had a similar bowl but much smaller in size (about 3 or 4 inches in diameter), same proportions, thickly cased and this one was purple. It was very nicely made and well finished with bevelled polished edges around the rim. I suspect it was Polish, Krosno used to make some fine quality stuff...... A friend has it now, if I can organise a photo soon I will add it to this thread.
John
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My search for the country/maker/designer is purely for my own information.........Not for a tag that will increase its value or to achieve a sale! It will remain on my desk.
When purchased, the seller sold it as Murano. When shown to 2 very experienced art glass dealers (1 an author on the subject) it was also their opinion that it was Murano but they were unsure of its design. So with due respect....i'm not the only one that does! Subsequently i took the origin at face value. If its not? then i bow to your far superior knowledge. I purchase antique/collectable pieces based upon their beauty & quality....not upon their perceived worth! I would be as happy with the geode if it was Scandanavian, Polish or any other country of manufacture.
Thank you to the kind members who have expressed an opinion upon its origin.
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It not so easy to find designers of Murano glass unless the item has some particularly identifiable characteristics (and dealers should know that). It's not often easy to identify glass as being Murano because so many different companies use/have used the same techniques.
I think this may be Krosno and made for and designed by a company called LSA. See this similar one, which was labelled
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=232
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=231
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Andrews piece is quite a bit larger than the average ashtray though at 8" across. :o
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Andrew, I have changed the title of the thread to hopefully attract some more views.
At the time I moved the thread out of Murano, there were a couple of comments suggesting it might not be Murano and, other than your own initial posts, no Board members had commented that it was, or was very likely, Murano. Therefore, as Sue has said, moving (temporarily) to the general Glass forum is a better way to get more thoughts on an item that, within the GMB, appears to be in doubt.
I believe that David's point about, "Too often, this tag is lazily dangled in front of art glass purely to achieve a sale ..." was not a suggestion that you were trying to gain profit, just a general point of "loose attrbitions" that are sadly seen so much in online auctions and stores and also in many well established "antiques & collectable fairs".
Your addtional comment about the "2 very experienced art glass dealers (1 an author on the subject)" is useful new information. Can you say who that author is, and if they are experienced in Murano glass or art glass in general?
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Kevin
Thanks for your response & changing the title, i hope it provokes a positive response?
With reference to the 2 dealers....being that they are long time friends as well as people i buy from on a regular basis, i would prefer to keep their identities private & tackle them on the issue the next time i see them. It will be interesting to see if by offering a separate opinion changes their view on the Geode? Anyway, it won't change my opinion on the bowl, as i would have bought it whoever had made it!
& Max.....i dont think its an ashtray? it has no rests formed in the rim, i think its just a decorative piece? & yes its a large & ive weighed it....2.5kg
Thank you both for your imput.
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& Max.....i dont think its an ashtray? it has no rests formed in the rim, i think its just a decorative piece? & yes its a large & ive weighed it....2.5kg
I was just trying to bring people's attention to how large your item is Andrew, as Lustroustone had linked to an item of hers which appears to be an ashtray, although I expect Lustroustone was simply showing the style was similar. :)