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Title: Huge sommerso vase, 4.5kg, 50cm tall, cranberry, blue & clear Murano or far east
Post by: jonchellycain on March 21, 2011, 05:34:56 PM: Hi all
just picked this up, and im gonna hedge my bets on it being Chinese. But on saying that I do think that it may be Murano, the nagging doubt being the lack of wear, the size and the price i just paid i think.
It weighs in at just short of 4.5kg is 50cm tall (yes that is a full sized can of coke its dwarfing)
The base is flat and well polished the glass is of a fairly good standard.
very little age wear on the base, which would be expected on a size this piece any movement would likely cause a great deal of marks, but then on the other hand maybe because of its weight it has never been moved?, but there is good ground in dirt in the crevisis (This was bought from a charity shop so highly unlikly they have tried to age it with the dirt)

The casing looks almost like triple cased as its cranberry, pale blue then a slightly darker blue then clear cased what does everyone think?

many thanks
michelle

[Mod: Original Picasaweb image moved - see Reply 7 for new location]
Title: Re: Huge sommerso vase, 4.5kg, 50cm tall, cranberry, blue & clear Murano or far east
Post by: Lustrousstone on March 21, 2011, 06:56:58 PM: I would say not Chinese (looks too balanced and well proportioned) but I wouldn't like to say where it's from.
Title: Re: Huge sommerso vase, 4.5kg, 50cm tall, cranberry, blue & clear Murano or far east
Post by: jonchellycain on March 21, 2011, 07:20:27 PM: thanks Christine, i keep coming back to Murano as the colouring and quality is right, ive had a few pieces in this colourway that have definatly been Murano pieces. I wouldnt be able to put a factory on it though.
Like i said the doubts are not based on a great deal, but some times you just dont trust your instincts. Either way it was a good price for a very attractive piece
michelle
Title: Re: Huge sommerso vase, 4.5kg, 50cm tall, cranberry, blue & clear Murano or far east
Post by: Wayne on March 30, 2011, 08:27:05 AM: Just spotted this vase on ebay, item number 360353622496 [Link (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LARGE-MURANO-RETRO-CASED-ART-GLASS-VASE-STUNNING-/360353622496?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item53e6bfe9e0)]

Looks like it could be a distant cousin maybe? And has a Murano label (apparently).
Title: Re: Huge sommerso vase, 4.5kg, 50cm tall, cranberry, blue & clear Murano or far
Post by: jonchellycain on April 03, 2011, 09:14:01 AM: Looks most likely the same maker, thanks Wayne. The label may hold some clues as to a factory or maker on the vase. The seller has re-listed I will email and ask for a close up picture of the label
thanks again
michelle
Title: Re: Huge sommerso vase, 4.5kg, 50cm tall, cranberry, blue & clear Murano or far east
Post by: obscurities on April 03, 2011, 05:12:58 PM: One of my reservations regarding Murano labels on glass nowadays is the arrests the Italian government made regarding the use of Murano labels on Chinese glass. If memory serves me correctly the pieces of glass involved numbered in the millions of pieces.

As a result of not having any info, at least that I am aware of, regarding the label styles and glass styles that were used, I place substantially less importance on the presence of a label, and feel that in light of this, we need to look even more intently at the glass and substantially less at the label.... Unless of course we know the label to be vintage labels.......

Just some thoughts......

I do not have many thoughts as to the glass itself, other than the pics of it do not strike me as Italian shades of the colors, but that can just be the pics...... The colors strike me more as Czech..... It does appear well executed.......

Craig
Title: Re: Huge sommerso vase, 4.5kg, 50cm tall, cranberry, blue & clear Murano or far east
Post by: langhaugh on April 03, 2011, 07:35:25 PM: It looks very much like the some of the pieces that Jordan's Importing sold, a little thinner perhaps, but the same scalloped top and the same fins on the bottom. Murano would be a strong possibility for me.

David
Title: Re: Huge sommerso vase, 4.5kg, 50cm tall, cranberry, blue & clear Murano or far east
Post by: jonchellycain on September 11, 2011, 01:53:51 PM: Many thanks everybody
The pictures have been moved and now reside in the Murano/Italian section of my picasa album but I have question marked it as possibly Czech also
heres the new links
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/CI6LMSRlLXhFEFCHlHpI0g?feat=directlink
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/pABkJ0gWEW1BznqfDitUhw?feat=directlink
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/K2yvrQV9bqPjEWekZFs4Qg?feat=directlink
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/M9fY8QNx1y8V40SKEaqVQA?feat=directlink
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WTEUS_FyuxJdN_gNplATgQ?feat=directlink
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/RXweX6JwOaG9BsZv9EmmSA?feat=directlink
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/AeGkI9a5-b8JM-hYt7BqyQ?feat=directlink
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/e8nNBhDHzQdVDvIjZPsNrg?feat=directlink

Thanks
michelle
P.S David I wish my Unknown album was the same size as yours!!! mine has 254 items in it
https://picasaweb.google.com/112538457954992188877/CurrentlyUnknown?authuser=0&feat=directlink
Title: Re: Huge sommerso vase, 4.5kg, 50cm tall, cranberry, blue & clear Murano or far east
Post by: glassobsessed on September 11, 2011, 02:35:22 PM: Michelle, your tankard: https://picasaweb.google.com/112538457954992188877/CurrentlyUnknown?authuser=0&feat=directlink#5572070741603801938
looks like an Erik Hoglund design, is it signed H927 or Boda H927/???.

Here's mine, signed H927/70, also has sticker on base: https://picasaweb.google.com/Johnmj100/ErikHoglund#5545029115366318210

John
Title: Re: Huge sommerso vase, 4.5kg, 50cm tall, cranberry, blue & clear Murano or far east
Post by: Greg. on September 11, 2011, 02:51:45 PM: https://picasaweb.google.com/112538457954992188877/CurrentlyUnknown?authuser=0&feat=directlink#5651065226243823810

Fairly sure your piggy bank was produced by Cascade glass.

Couple of other examples:

http://www.drakeandnaylor.co.uk/shop/glassware/amber-glass-piggy-bank/

http://www.pips-trip.co.uk/sold-glass-archives/british-glass-2/showitem-CASCADE-SMOKEPIGGY.aspx

Greg
Title: Re: Huge sommerso vase, 4.5kg, 50cm tall, cranberry, blue & clear Murano or far east
Post by: vidrioguapo on September 11, 2011, 05:08:58 PM: Fairly sure that this one is new Chinese - Colonnial Candle vase

https://picasaweb.google.com/112538457954992188877/CurrentlyUnknown?authuser=0&feat=directlink#5572085766453310674

there is one on my wannabee blog with label in a "lilac" colour on the right hand side about half way down............
Title: Re: Huge sommerso vase, 4.5kg, 50cm tall, cranberry, blue & clear Murano or far east
Post by: adam20 on September 11, 2011, 06:34:14 PM: Just picking up the point about Cascade piggy banks - I have one in form of a koala bear - same brown glass as pigs in linked photo.

Fully labelled - sorry main photo not that good but item is packed away now and in other location.

Thanks Adam
Title: Re: Huge sommerso vase, 4.5kg, 50cm tall, cranberry, blue & clear Murano or far east
Post by: jonchellycain on September 11, 2011, 07:01:28 PM: Thanks everyone, I will eventually whittle it down... one day.

John yes the tankard did have something on the bottom just found the original thread :thup: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,26814.msg148125.html#msg148125

Greg, thanks so much for the ID, I only picked him up a couple of weeks back and hadnt even started researching him. He reminded my a little of the Holmegaard piggy bank but bigger, which is why i bought him. :hiclp:

Emmi I think it did come on here but i havent been able to find the thread unfortunitly. Will pop it over to the rest of the world album. :girlcheer:

Adam I love the bear he is so cute

thanks again everybody, your help is as always greatly apreciated
michelle

new link to piggy bank
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/S0FvEt5Nm6HHizZuvr84tA?feat=directlink
new link to Hoglund tankard
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/n9OPGJye8NuJm30Fru88-A?feat=directlink
new link to chinese candle vase
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/xxZjpXvCjxtxaE030lFldw?feat=directlink
Title: Re: Huge sommerso vase, 4.5kg, 50cm tall, cranberry, blue & clear Murano or far east
Post by: Helen on September 12, 2011, 03:51:29 PM: Hi Michelle
I posted another one of your vases relatives on here a short while back (see http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,42048.msg233784.html#msg233784). I haven't managed a positive ID either, but am leaning towards Murano, although mine does have an imperfection in the glass (looks like an unidentifiable bit of debris) which did make me wonder whether that would have got past quality control at a Murano glass works. Sorry, I', not adding anything to your quest but just thought it may be of interest to see another one like yours anyway.
Title: Re: Huge sommerso vase, 4.5kg, 50cm tall, cranberry, blue & clear Murano or far east
Post by: Nemmie on September 12, 2011, 04:25:50 PM: I have a very similar vase but mine is all one colour. It also has base wear which is comparative with items that I know to be from the 60s and 70s.
Title: Re: Huge sommerso vase, 4.5kg, 50cm tall, cranberry, blue & clear Murano or far east
Post by: Helen on September 12, 2011, 04:39:52 PM: Hi Nemmie, it does look similar but the glass looks slightly thinner and the base is a bit different to mine. Ow, it just gets more intriguing...
Title: Re: Huge sommerso vase, 4.5kg, 50cm tall, cranberry, blue & clear Murano or far east
Post by: Nemmie on September 12, 2011, 04:43:35 PM: I hadn't actually looked at yours. Mine is quite thick and very heavy. I would say the thickness is comparable to Michelle's vase.

I have looked at yours now and I can see the base difference but yours actually looks thinner than mine to my eyes :huh:

Does yours have any base wear?
Title: Re: Huge sommerso vase, 4.5kg, 50cm tall, cranberry, blue & clear Murano or far east
Post by: Helen on September 12, 2011, 05:03:43 PM: Sorry Nemmie, think our posts must have been getting composed around the same time. There is a bit of wear on the base of mine but not a substantial amount. I got it in a lot from an auction so know nothing of it's provenance.
Title: Re: Huge sommerso vase, 4.5kg, 50cm tall, cranberry, blue & clear Murano or far east
Post by: Nemmie on September 12, 2011, 05:34:30 PM: Don't know much about mine either. I bought it from a boot fair thinking it would turn out to be Czech but I haven't found it anywhere so far.
Title: Re: Huge sommerso vase, 4.5kg, 50cm tall, cranberry, blue & clear Murano or far east
Post by: Helen on September 19, 2011, 06:58:43 PM: Just saw this on ebay, which again looks similar but described as Josef Hospodka... I've emailed the seller to try to find out what lead him to this conclusion so will pass it on if they get back to me.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SKLO-UNION-LOBBED-BLUE-ART-GLASS-VASE-JOSEF-HOSPODKA-/310345109231?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item4842028eef#ht_3600wt_1139