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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: flying free on March 22, 2011, 07:07:30 PM
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I bought these two pieces a while ago because I realised that there was a spate of them on our favourite auction site and I also saw a number at a fair. I don't particularly like them really, but I was curious because they suddenly seemed to appear in quantity from nowhere, or I'd never ever noticed them before perhaps :-\
So I bought these two pieces, both of which are damaged so I could have a closer look. Please ignore the titles of the pictures - they are just mine so I know where to find them quickly, not that they have been positively id'd as such.
So my questions are where were they made, English or Bohemian or elsewhere?
Is the little bowl machine threaded or blown into a ridged mould?
The pontil mark on the pink box is badly finished, cracked off and a sort of matt bit left rough. It's very heavy, good white interior, pink and green splashes and then cased in clear with those feet in clear.
I do prefer the decor on the pink box, but have to confess am not a huge fan of the bowl at all.
Are they old or repros? Why have so many suddenly appeared to be around or is it just me ::)
thoughts and views very welcome :)
m
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Definitely old. The powder bowl has very Harrach feet and is probably Bohemian. I don't think the other is threaded but it's difficult to tell without handling it. Do the vertical ribs tail off at the bottom? If it is threaded, I think it's more likely to be English. I think sometimes things "appear" after you actually take notice of them.
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If it's not threaded and has just horizontal ribbing it may be Kralik,this tumbler is similar..
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ah right, thank you :) ref the bowl, no it doesn't trail off Christine, I guess therefore it's blown into a mould which is horizontally and vertically ribbed then. What is left of the rim is cut and polished, nicely bevelled and it's a floral shape at the top, 12 curves, 12 ribs. It has a neat little unribbed foot and if it weren't for the decor, which is vile imho, I might quite like it. The interior is a good solid white without being thick and gloopy.
I know what you mean about suddenly noticing things - perhaps that's it, I was just wondering if they were all suddenly flooding in from somewhere. But then I also saw a lot of these pieces at a fair a few months ago and all the pieces that I've seen in this decor have been damaged in some way, leading me to think they maybe genuinely quite old. Keith I think the decor on your mug is much prettier - I can see the similarity with the dark colours though. I just think this splashy effect on the bowl is horrid. How old is the mug do you think? I was thinking Victorian?
I'll be off to look up Harrach pieces now Christine, thank you. Again I'm not overly keen on the lidded box if I'm honest. I'd prefer it without the feet and without the glue ;D
thanks again
m
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I'd have thought early 20th century but don't quote me ;D
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I noticed them on our favourite auction site as well. Suddenly there were quite a few similar pieces. (I spend way too much time there :-[ )
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Julie, I think they were probably listed in Victorian and I was looking for lidded boxes which is where I saw them all, they were all listed by the same person. And I'd seen some of them and a jug at a fleamarket as well, so perhaps I just happened to be seeing all the same pieces round about the same time.
m
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I believe the first piece may very possibly be a piece of Welz...... The ribbing in the mold is quite similar to a basket mold they used on quite a few decors, and the pattern of color can be found in different variations on what I see referred to as Welz "Trophy Vases".
I am not sure on the second one. IMHO would place both of them ca. 1925 or so.
Craig
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oh thanks Craig - coincidentally I saw two 'trophy' shaped vases last night in the pink and green decor, but just whizzed over them and didn't save (no id on the blurb). Obviously I can't find them now to link to ::)
I very rarely ever talk glass down, but I have to say that decor combined with a trophy shape vase would rank as my least appealing piece of glass ....and I love Welz glass.
m
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I agree.... although they are out there I really have absolutely no desire whatsoever to own one...... and with the research I am doing on Welz, I am not all that picky about their glass..... most of the time..... ;D
Craig
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I spotted this on our favourite auction site and wondered if that decor might get us a little further with pinning the little bowl down as Welz?
m
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310308601707&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
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That particular image, although it is tough for sure from the angle, appears to be Welz Honeycomb in green and white. I think this locks the Welz attribution for the bowl if it is indeed Honeycomb.
The decor is also similar to this piece, in my collection which I suspect to be Welz, but without the ribbing.
Craig
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Craig, I think it is a honeycomb pattern, I was just wondering whether that was a Welz pattern as well as a Kralik one, so I think that is the little bowl buttoned down to Welz then.
I like your non ribbed vase you've shown. That reminds me very much of the hyacinth vase I showed you, but without the cup and different colour decor but the same decor and shape don't you think?
m
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This particular Honeycomb decor in green and white is a marker for Welz pieces.......
I am attaching an example of what I think the pattern on the piece is....
Craig
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Lovely decor and colours Craig - Not keen on that shape though (or my little bowl either) they rank alongside the trophy vases for me. Welz have done some beautiful shapes - I wonder if that is a different time period perhaps earlier ?
m
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That green one sits on the shelf next to these.....
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I do not think they are earlier. Many of the Honeycomb pieces are marked Czechoslovakia. I think a large part of their now known production is 1920's -30's..... I think they did a lot of product which was styled as if it were produced earlier... They are not really identifiable in the early Butler catalogs, and start appearing in Butler mid to late 20's in much larger numbers. Like many of the trophy vases..... I too like the decor a lot, but am not keen on the shape.... I am personally not real fond of handled pieces of most kinds..... I can only think of 2 pieces with handles out of all of my glass.... One is a Kralik pitcher and glass set, and the other is a plain white Kralik Deco piece with clear handles I bought purely because of the shape....... and I have got a few pieces of glass hanging around... ;D
Craig