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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: David E on January 21, 2006, 02:57:09 PM
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IMPORTANT CHANGES TO SITE:
Due to the rapid growth of the Chance glass side within glassyeye.com, I decided to create a whole new web site purely to contain the research into this subject. The URL is now...
http://www.chanceglass.net
I think you'll find the site MUCH easier to navigate and the pages have been slimmed out more. It has also meant that the menu can now be far more specific, so each major topic has been split further (all Pressed glass styles into its own page, for example).
I have also discovered a new Hellenic pattern that's been posted.
EDITED: 22nd Feb 2006: Extensive update to list
I have started to seriously look at the possibility of cataloguing as much of the Fiestaware patterns and designs that Chance created. This could turn out to be something of a minefield (which probably explains why I think no-one has done it before!) but I'll see how it progresses.
EDIT: Now looking at Chance Pressed Glass (see separate topic) and Handkerchief Vases. Most patterns for Fiestaware is now positively identified, so rather than list them here, they can be viewed on the site (http://www.chanceglass.net)
I am now looking to categorise all the 'mottoware' or dogs, cats, hunting scenes, et al. Examples of advertising and commercial products are also being looked at.
Your help is much appreciated — please advise on whether any photos posted are 'copyright' or 'copy-left'. I will also acknowledge all participants on the ChanceGlass.net site.
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David, well done on taking on such a challenge. I have some Chance which I'm happy for you to use pics of if they are of use. The ones in my gallery are not very good and are awaiting rephotographing, so when they're available please feel free to use if they are of interest. (Copyleft is fine with me).
Are you cataloguing just the designs or are you trying to determine which patterns went onto what shapes? The latter would involve a lot more work of course, but would be extremely interesting.
You mention the flatware and the carafes, did you know that the same patterns also went onto drinking glasses (you probably do know but I'll ask anyway, just in case!). I recently found a brandy balloon with the Calypto pattern so I bought it for reference (all of 30p in a charity shop!!!). I have also seen on eBay some taller long drink glasses but I can't remember the exact details - I think they were also Calypto.
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Hi Anne,
Probably a poison chalice, but I'll see how it goes :wink:
Presently I am only interested in the designs (Lace, Swirl, etc.) as taking on which patterns went onto which shapes would prove staggering — I'd be the sad bloke on the end of a rope...
I was aware of the drinking vessels but hadn't seen a brandy balloon - feel free to post! The Giraffe carafe is simply a design icon and will always be welcome on my site! Perhaps I could categorise just drinking vessels as I believe they only came in Swirl and Calypto? Some time, but hold fire on that for the mo.
Don't worry about photographic excellence: the main thing is if the pattern is clear. The ones I'm just about to post are a bit grim as I'm doing it for speed. I'll clean them up/take better ones, later.
I'm currently getting together all my Chance patterns but don't have any of the floralware (apart from one hybrid) as it's not my scene at all, but if someone has these I'll be glad to include them.
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The patterns aren't clear at all on mine David, so they do need redoing. I'll try and get them done later - am a tad busy this weekend with a couple of things so it may be a few days before they get done - then again I may do them as a break from this batch of work later! :lol: I've a couple of other bits (not Chance) to photograph and ask about as well.
The brandy glass is here though: http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-698
and there's one Calypto tray there already which is visible (not brilliant - but will replace asap).http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-509
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Anne: Photographing this glass isn't easy due to flash reflections, but you could try indirect lighting, like a fluorescent tube and turning the flash off. If the colour cast is wrong I can always correct this, but blurring is tricky!
Thanks for the brandy glass: I've included it on my site if that's OK.
To All: I've now updated ChanceGlass.net (http://www.chanceglass.net) to include variations that I already have, including some I don't know the name for. The Night Sky plate is not my property, unfortunately!
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I've just had a peek at the site, the "unidentified flowery thing" (in shades of blue) is honeysuckle. :D 8) :D
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Just a thought: I've realised there's a 'Greco' and 'Hellenic' pattern listed. But Chance also did a 'Greek' pattern which, from memory, had a Greek pattern around the edge and the picture of a warrior(?) in the middle.
I'm just wondering if these are all the same pattern using a different name... :?
Just found this eBay Item (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CLASSICAL-GREEK-DESIGN-PLATE-WITH-FLUTED-EDGE-LOOK_W0QQitemZ7381801198QQcategoryZ101660QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem), which I suspect is what I'm referring to.
EDIT: Probably more than one 'Greek' pattern...
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Hello David, I've not seen that one before, but I have a plate with a different Greek-style design on it.
:oops: Can't find it, of course! :oops:
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Hi Sue,
Well, once your kitchen's finished you must send me a piccie (come on builders; hurry up!) :)
Looking at that eBay listing again I'm beginning to doubt my own assumption, but the photo is rather poor - might just make the seller an offer (he did have two for sale BTW!)
I did think the pattern was supposed to have a Greek-key design around the edge, but maybe Chance did more than one design.
I've just realised there's also a fourth Lace pattern: White, Black, Green all on clear glass and Black-on-White :!: I have all these except for the last variant.
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Builders have finished. It's Michael having a go at stripping/sanding/oiling the woodwork and stripping the wallpaper (without destroying the horsehair-and-lime-plasterwork!) in order to decorate the room. He wants me to help put up the lining paper today. I've sent him out to buy a new broom, hopefully I'll be able to hold things up for him with that. I don't have the strength to raise my arms up.
I've found my really unusual one printed on both sides!
I've found one with the pattern of "Bouquet" identified on it's original box.
I've found my "Night Sky" tray.
I've got 6 Calypto brandy balloons, and a couple of those (are they ice-cream dishes?) that are on stems, and a set of shot glasses in a wire-basket thing. A set of large wineglasses in Swirl.
Michael calls me to the kitchen. :evil: :cry: :evil:
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I've found my really unusual one printed on both sides!
I've found one with the pattern of "Bouquet" identified on it's original box.
I've found my "Night Sky" tray.
:shock: Wonderful :lol:
Can't wait to see them. Didn't realise you had a Night Sky, so if your photo is better, and with your permission, I'd like to use it. I see from the Smethwick Heritage Centre's stock list that they have a dish with "white zig-zag pattern" – I wonder if that's a Night Sky pattern?
Bouquet isn't mentioned anywhere, so that might be one for the 'Other' pile. A photo of the label would also be most welcome.
I think I will have to start a 'Shapes' page to complement the Patterns. Hopefully this shouldn't prove too hard to catalogue (ha!) :roll:
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Hi David :D
As you know, I've got about three boxes full of Chance glass - I'll have a look through them next week, and see if there's anything interesting in there.
I've got the carafe in Calypto and Swirl, but I think you've probably got pics of those?
Oh yeah, I have to photograph my very earlier frosted Chance 'Boer' ashtray! I'd forgotten about that!
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Hi Max,
Great, many thansk! They must be big boxes though? :wink:
I only have a Swirl carafe, but did you know there are two different shapes? One angles down to the base, and the other (which you don't see as often) has an angled belly :shock:
I've also included your trippy flower design: do you think this might be Clematis?
Is the Boer ashtray Fiesta? Never mind, I'll be looking at Chance pre-1950 eventually so will gladly include the photo. Thanks.
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Hello again!
Max's trippy flower thing isn't Clematis. :cry:
I've got a boxed, labelled (but not with the name) frilly plate that has clematis flowers on it. The flowers are blue and pink, realistic. The label is the later angled type of script.
The boxed "Bouquet" dish doesn't have it's Chance label. It has one with the union flag (it's only the "jack" on board ships) on it, stating British Manufacture. The label on the reverse is a plain white rectangle, with "Bouquet" printed at the top and 166 written on in biro.
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Hi Sue,
Max's trippy flower thing isn't Clematis.
If it's yellow it's a daffodil and red is a rose. That's my limit!
Glad to see someone else identifying the Union FLAG and JACK properly! Always irks me when even BBC presenters call it 'Jack'... :evil:
Yes, the flag logo was always stuck on the clear plastic lid, but quite often drops off. Not terribly common, but definitely IDs it as Chance.
Please Note:
There was also a US company called 'Houze' that traded from 1902-2004 (closed down on Christmas Eve - oh what fun the employees had that Christmas! :( ) who made virtually identical slumped float glassware. I have a 1969 Lunar Landing plate that is boxed very similarly and it's only the 'Chance-like' label that tells me who made it. I'll post a photo later.
Houze mainly concentrated on mottoware and crestware so might not cause a problem; another good reason for not cataloguing Chance versions I suppose, as there could be a lot of confusion!
I also have come across a 1960s orange plate that looks like Chance, but is actually Dema...
eBay Item (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7383835038&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1)
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David, I've got that orange platter - so if you only want it for photographic purposes, then don't bid, I'll photograph mine for you. :D
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OK Max, thanks. That'll save me a few quid. Naturally, many of the patterns will be available at the Heritage Centre, but I might not be able to publish them.
Any idea what this pattern could be called? 'Summer' perhaps?
Chance Shape Page
I've now plonked a menu bar on the Chance pages and you'll notice there's a new page for Shapes. It might be best to deal with these separately so I might start a new topic, or you can contact me directly. If you can give fairly accurate measurements, along with the pattern it uses, I would be most grateful.
Blimey, I'll end up writing a book...!
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David — Recently I acquired an unused boxed set of six small tumblers or tot glasses, h 2½" x rim d 2", in Michael Harris' white Calypto, with rather simpler decoration than the large example you show on your website. The enamelling and the rim gilding is still as fresh and glorious as the day they were made, quite different to the sad examples you generally see at car boots and in charity shops. Complete with all six round gold / black Chance labels and all six triangular black / white Design Centre labels.
The box, unfortunately slightly water-stained, is a delight. In ivory, printed with a gold mesh or lozenge pattern, it suits almost any gift occasion, apart from ruby weddings and funerals. And for those, you could have made it appropriate by adding a red or black ribbon. Turn the lid upside down, and you have a perfect angled display stand. The box just oozes careful and thoughtful professional design.
Now for the questions, David.
Jackson dates this pattern to 1959–81. Do the Design Centre labels, the Chance labels, the box, or anything else you know reduce this rather large span of 23 years at all?
And, were these glasses made by Chance (no pun intended), or did they buy them in as blanks and decorate them?
... and well done. Your website is looking superb.
Bernard C. 8)
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It might be best to deal with these separately...
Very much so. Keep separate groupimgs for colour, shape and design. My Strathearn catalogues were getting into a mess until I realised this to be the best approach... once I get the new versions finished of course :?
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Bernard:
Many thanks for your comments on the site. Of course it is very much 'work in progress' and needs all the glass cataloguing.
David — Recently I acquired an unused boxed set of six small tumblers or tot glasses, h 2½" x rim d 2"...
These do appear on eBay now and then, but in pristine condition and with the box is certainly a good find — photos would be much appreciated. The Calypto decoration was simplified for the smaller items, and smaller dishes featuring other patterns are treated in the same way.
Complete with all six round gold / black Chance labels and all six triangular black / white Design Centre labels.
I still have not managed to obtain a single Chance item with one of the Design Centre labels, believe it or not!
If you could provide a photo of this set, I would gladly include it on the site. It might be possible to photo-edit the water-staining away, or perhaps the box can be angled appropriately.
Now for the questions, David.
I have yet to get firm dates on when the different labels were used. I have a feeling the Design Centre labels were not used past c.1975? However, it might also be easier to give a timeline based on the changeover from the early Chance script logo to the modern, angular version. I'm guessing late 1960s.
And, were these glasses made by Chance (no pun intended), or did they buy them in as blanks and decorate them?
That's a very good question, which I may be able to answer after my next visit (3rd Feb) to the Heritage Centre, but Chance certainly had the commercial capacity to create the blanks as they were producers of laboratory and industrial glass. Hopefully I might be able to locate earlier records about the company at some stage.
As a point of interest; with the Fiestaware float glass items, to the best of my knowledge the transfer print was applied before the item was 'slumped' — that is, it would have to be reheated with the transfer fixed.
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It might be best to deal with these separately...
Very much so. Keep separate groupimgs for colour, shape and design. My Strathearn catalogues were getting into a mess until I realised this to be the best approach... once I get the new versions finished of course :?
Yes, my thoughts as well. I'm not sure how far I'll go with this, as cross-referencing which pattern was used on which shape could prove rather exhaustive, but I have already started a 'Shapes' page and will note the various patterns.
Fortunately, the colours are far more limited (except the Handkerchief vases), so I might keep this on the 'Patterns' page.
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I found this whilst rooting around in boxes in the garage. It has all the hallmarks of Chance, but I've never seen matching candle holders before(?)
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/bowl020.jpg
It has a very small base, which causes it to be easily knocked. There is a screw in the centre which attaches to the candle holder part. I just wondered if this would have been attached to a larger dish lower down, rather like the tiered cake stands. Apologies for poor picture. Combination of rushing to do chores and poor light (my excuse anyway :lol: )
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/candleholder.jpg
Anne E.B. :wink:
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Thanks Anne.
Definitely Chance and the candleholders are fairly uncommon but Ido see them from time to time. I've seen them in a few patterns as well; Swirl, Calypto, Filigree? While the flower patterns are not so desirable, the complete set will always do better, of course.
Nice photos so no excuses required! I'll use this with your permission.
Anyone know what the flower is? :oops:
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That's Chance, Anne! "Clematis", I believe, is the flower depicted.
I've got this , boxed, with original gold elastic, and labelled, the script on the label is the later angular type.
I've got a Calypto candlestick, I'd forgotten about it!
I'm trying to take some pictures, but the camera and the computer are refusing to acknowedge each other. :cry::cry::cry:
(Yes, the batteries are working, yes, the camera is plugged in to the computer - although it wasn't to start off with :oops: !)
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Thanks, David, for your speedy reply.
I still have not managed to obtain a single Chance item with one of the Design Centre labels, believe it or not!
I am not at all surprised. Despite the fact that this boxed set has been stored away unused until recently, only three of the Design Centre labels are still in situ on the glasses. The other three had fallen off and dropped to the bottom of the box. The adhesive on the Design Centre labels was just not designed to last a third of a century.
It is, therefore, important for me to record this photographically now, so that your website can provide the information as to how the original labels were positioned on the glasses. ... and do not concern yourself that I would consider glueing the three loose examples back on again. The importance of this set lies in its pristine, unmodified and original condition.
... Chance certainly had the commercial capacity to create the blanks as they were producers of laboratory and industrial glass.
They may have had the capacity, but I doubt whether, on a purely commercial basis, manufacture of these glasses could have been cost-justified. Large-scale barware manufacturers must have been able to supply Chance at a fraction of Chance's real manufacturing costs. However, as we all know, commercial logic often never gets anywhere near the decision-making process, although Chance seems to have been rather more commercially-minded than many of our favourite glassworks.
Bernard C. 8)
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That's Chance, Anne! "Clematis", I believe, is the flower depicted.
I've got this , boxed, with original gold elastic, and labelled, the script on the label is the later angular type.
I've got a Calypto candlestick, I'd forgotten about it!
I'm trying to take some pictures, but the camera and the computer are refusing to acknowedge each other. :cry::cry::cry:
(Yes, the batteries are working, yes, the camera is plugged in to the computer - although it wasn't to start off with :oops: !)
Now, I was going to suggest Clematis but knew I'd be wrong! Thanks for that.
Sometimes you need to have the camera on while plugging into the computer, although some camera manufacturers say switch on afterwards - my Fuji and Nikon are both different. Or you may need to switch the camera to 'preview' mode first? Dunno, but try a few things.
Not to worry, we've got the rest of my life to complete this web site! :twisted: [/i]
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See the extract from www.designcouncil.org.uk. It may help with dating your Design Centre labels
New name, new focus
Sir Paul Reilly (from 1959) brought an increasing emphasis on technology and later engineering design to the organisation's work, triggering a name change in the early 1970s to Design Council. Keith Grant (from 1977) maintained the organisation's high public profile and campaigned to increase visual literacy and design awareness in schools.
But by the 1980s Britain was increasingly design conscious, with high street spending boosting design investment, consumers and retailers seemingly convinced about the merits of good design and industrial designers now part of a growing and increasingly visible design industry.
Ivor Owen (from 1988) switched from public campaigning to focusing on business and education. Design Council retailing and product endorsement were closed and industrial services were regionalised.
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Christine — Lovely piece of detective work. I thought "Design Centre" sounded odd, but I couldn't think why.
Grateful thanks.
Bernard C. 8)
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The Design Centre was the public face of the Design Council. There was a shop in London (Tottenham Court Rd, though I might be wrong about that) where you could buy stuff with the stickers and look at little exhibitions. Maybe there were other shops. I can remembering popping in 1982/3 on my way back to the office in North London after I'd been to a press conference 'nearby'. It's amazing how long it took to get back sometimes!!
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Thanks, David, for your speedy reply.
I still have not managed to obtain a single Chance item with one of the Design Centre labels, believe it or not!
I am not at all surprised. Despite the fact that this boxed set has been stored away unused until recently, only three of the Design Centre labels are still in situ on the glasses. The other three had fallen off and dropped to the bottom of the box. The adhesive on the Design Centre labels was just not designed to last a third of a century.
Just got back: Interesting thought, but I suppose reaffixing the label would constitute a 'renovation'? :? :)
It is, therefore, important for me to record this photographically now, so that your website can provide the information as to how the original labels were positioned on the glasses...
Many thanks, Bernard. I look forward to seeing them.
... Chance certainly had the commercial capacity to create the blanks as they were producers of laboratory and industrial glass.
They may have had the capacity, but I doubt whether, on a purely commercial basis, manufacture of these glasses could have been cost-justified. Large-scale barware manufacturers must have been able to supply Chance at a fraction of Chance's real manufacturing costs.
Chance did have the financial clout of Pilkingtons behind them, so I wonder if the parent company got involved? Otherwise, I wonder if someone like Ravenhead got involved?
Hopefully the Heritage Centre will have vast amounts of factory records... :roll:
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I don't recall one in Tottenham Court Road when I worked just off there between 1981-1986. I used to visit the one here though:
The Design Centre, Council of Industrial Design, 28 Haymarket Street, London SW1. Permanent Exhibition of best in British Design and periodic exhibition.
which is a bit further south east of Piccadilly Circus. Was a building with a grey frontage as I recall?
David, definitely Clematis as well :)
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Anne B: Thanks, the pattern photo has been posted and I've cropped out the candlestick.
Christine: Thanks for the input - a great lead - I'll contact them to see if they have any data regarding the logo.
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Is this Chance? I bought it yesterday, on the "off chance" that it may be (sorry)!
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10019/chance_gold.jpg)
It has the "British Manufacture" label and the gold elastic Sue mentioned, but no Chance label. The box looks to be printed with an identical star design to that in David's photo No. 1. The gold design seems to be on the top surface of the plate.
On a related point, Cancer Research UK Shops are selling a very Chance like square dish, printed with a damask type pattern on the reverse. The barcode had a web-address http://www.rexinter.com. They don't appear to have a catalogue online, but it's the one on their homepage photo in the top-left corner. They look to be a trade "gift" distributor rather than a manufacturer?
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Hi Robbo,
Yes, definitely Chance - the Union FLAG logo is a dead give-away.
This design is Regency Gold. Also the box has the six-pointed star motif design. Having it boxed with the gilt elastic decoration is also a good sign.
Thanks for the link – I see the example you're referring to, but fortunately it's not similar to any Chance design.
Thanks again.
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I've got a boxed one of them Robbo, on the grounds of the box(!) being Chance. I think it is!
I saw a boxed 50th anniversary plate in a charity shop today (pretty horrid, I hung onto my £1). The box was dark green, with "gift of distinction" in gold letters on the front, on the back, it had a name (a very common one, but not Hallmark, which has completely disappeared from anywhere accessable in some recess of my brain) and "a member of the Kenmore group".
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Sue, that was probably a piece of Chance commercial ware. Probably worth thousands... :twisted: But it does actually have a certain amount of charm, as it [probably] represents a long-lost British company with a history of its own. Trouble is, Chance probably got hundreds of orders for these and travelling salesman would 'dish' them out at Christmas - my father always used to come home with all manner of ashtrays at Christmas!
I also think they did ashtrays or dishes for every single county in England! Then there's dogs, birds, fish, mottoware, crestware... urk!
Anne (not sure which one): just noticed the 1977 Silver Jubilee came in red, white AND blue as well!
But I note from the Heritage stocklist that they have a West Bromwich Albion '1954 FA Cup Winners' ashtray and 'Munchen Olympics 1972' (the one where Jewish athletes were massacred): now this is the sort of commemorative glass that does interest me. Very collectable with history attached.
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Thanks for the link – I see the example you're referring to, but fortunately it's not similar to any Chance design.
I just wondered whether or not the Cancer Research dish may have been manufacturered by JosephJoseph - the shape of the glass looks very like their "keys" dish.
I saw a boxed 50th anniversary plate in a charity shop today (pretty horrid, I hung onto my £1).
The charity shops round here seem to be packed with stuff at the moment :lol: :lol: , I got a Calypto Giraffe Carafe too! I think I'm going to hang on to the gold plate - maybe I'll use it for sliced egg and cucumber when I do a "buffet".
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Anne (not sure which one): just noticed the 1977 Silver Jubilee came in red, white AND blue as well!
Yes, David, mine is a blue and silver one. :)
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The charity shops round here seem to be packed with stuff at the moment , I got a Calypto Giraffe Carafe too! I think I'm going to hang on to the gold plate - maybe I'll use it for sliced egg and cucumber when I do a "buffet".
The charity shops probably have lots due to over-donation at Christmas.
I am still looking for a Calypto Giraffe, but did you know there are two shapes?
Yes, David, mine is a blue and silver one.
Oh, we have the set then! I have red and white ones, both boxed and 4½" (11cm) diameter. I think there's a bigger one as well.
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No box for mine I'm afraid. I've had the plate since it was new though, so not surprising the box has gone in one of the myriad house moves over the years!
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David, have you seen this pattern? Any idea what it could be?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7384504687
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Hi Anne, as the seller eludes to it in the description, this is the Lace pattern in the rather uncommon black. There are two versions of Black Lace that I can determine: black on clear and black on white.
I have seen these listed three times now, but have resisted due to the slight damage - still worth going after if I had the room! But I do have an example of this colour on its way to me.
If you go to the Patterns page you will see it listed there.
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David, here's the carafe, it's conical shaped one that you describe.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10019/giraffe.jpg
Please feel free to use the photo if it's a help :lol:
Robbo
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I've seen these wall plaques knocking around for years since the sixties and just wondered if they were made by Chance? Some have silhouette pictures on, this one's a village scene. It's transfer printed on the underside of the convex glass, and has a gilt edge.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/glass004.jpg
Anne E.B. :wink:
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I don't know what that is, Anne! I was not expecting to see that when I opened a picture of Chance silhouette - I have seen Chance-y silhouette things, they tend to have a white background with black figure profiles on them - much like traditional old-fashioned silhouettes.
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Its pretty grotesque in a nice sort of way :twisted: . 'Kitsch' sounds better :lol: Kind of goes with crochered poodle toilet roll covers, green lady prints and formica coffee tables with three wobbly legs :lol:
Those were the days!
Anne E.B. :wink:
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Its pretty grotesque in a nice sort of way . 'Kitsch' sounds better Kind of goes with crochered poodle toilet roll covers, green lady prints and formica coffee tables with three wobbly legs
This a description of your house, Anne? :wink:
I really don't think this is Chance but, again, I'm wondering if it's Houze? Although they closed in 2004, their old web site still operates and you can download their catalogue pages as a PDF!
http://www.houze.com/
There's also a few Houze items listed here:
http://groups.msn.com/BelgianGlassworkers/whathouzeglasscomade.msnw?albumlist=2
Note the groovy 'white dish set'!
Robbo, many thanks for the photo - great quality and now posted on the Shapes page. I'll take one of my Swirl carafe to accompany it.
http://www.glassyeye.com
Such an excellent design - must be good because even Peter liked it!
I have posted one pattern that could be either Filigree or Silhouette — comments welcome! Sue, your thoughts on the old-style Silhouette is thought provoking. AS soon as I find more examples I'll post them for comments.
This Greek pattern is Hellenic.
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/glassy-eye/photos/british/chance/pattern_other/greek1.jpg)
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Its pretty grotesque in a nice sort of way . 'Kitsch' sounds better Kind of goes with crochered poodle toilet roll covers, green lady prints and formica coffee tables with three wobbly legs
This a description of your house, Anne? :wink:
Yep :!: 8)
I'm championing the 'Neo-Grotesque' movement in interior design. :lol:
Thanks for the link - I'll check it out.
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David, I didn't make the connection with the white lace one in the gallery. Thanks for pointing that out... is it a less common pattern? I don't recall seeing it before.
Your pattern called Poppy? I think is Anemones not poppies...? and I spotted a pair of candlesticks like t'other Anne's clematis one on eBay.com last night, but they had the gold filigree pattern rather than clematis. Did you see them? I also spotted a plate with what looks like yellow roses, but the pic wasn't very clear so I cannot be certain, and a set of Swirl shot glasses.
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Max has gone very quiet, hasn't she? Coooeeeee dearie!
Thanks for correcting me Anne: Anemone it is. Slightly confusing as it looked like a poppy (to me :oops:), but I wasn't sure there was such a pattern. :?
As for the other items, I did see them all — my search is set up to look at the entire Glass section using the single keyword "chance"! :shock: But I might expand this to the .com to see whether it was exported (as suggested by Anne Womble).
However, I bet there are others sold in the Collectables section, but not identified as Chance. Likewise in the Glass section as well... not easy trying to track it all down.
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David, I didn't make the connection with the white lace one in the gallery. Thanks for pointing that out... is it a less common pattern? I don't recall seeing it before.
Sorry didn't reply properly.
The Lace pattern is quite common, but the black colour isn't. I think the black on white is even less common.
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I bought this with a lot of Chance glass, but have always discounted ref the decoration which is enamel dots, all raised like little bumps. The glass type is consistent and I am certain it is UK manufacturer - just putting it on in case it's of interest - not a very good photo, if it was interesting I can take a new one
(http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/4871/bottle9ay.th.jpg) (http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bottle9ay.jpg)
Adam P
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I bought this with a lot of Chance glass, but have always discounted ref the decoration which is enamel dots, all raised like little bumps...
I don't believe this is Chance, but I have seen plenty of glassware with gilt banding that I have no idea about. But the decanter doesn't really fit in with the profile of Chance glass. Thanks anyway.
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Hi David
This is a great topic keep up the good work, there has to be a book or maybe a CD in here somewhere.
Have a look at my Gallary puto some photos in an album Chance Bros Glass let me know what you think
Tony H in NZ
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Hi Tony I think your clematis are roses, look at the buds.
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Yeah, those Clematis are definitely Roses! :roll: :lol: Well spotted, Christine! :wink:
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Anne is perfectly right about Anenome! It comes with the round early script label.
I've not seen Tony's pattern before - definitely roses, (though they look a bit like dog-roses?).
I've got a labelled (round, early script) yellow roses plate. Photos will be forthcoming when we get a new camera to replace the one I destroyed yesterday (zoom lens bent, jammed, "thing" making strange noises, me too :evil: .).
I do have another large oval plate with a roses-ish pattern on it, (buds like peonies, leaves not, flowers like roses, leaves a little like roses, no thorns, some flowers not like roses) - but I do think they used a bit of poetic license with their flowers! The clematis is confusing because it seems the same plant has both pink and blue flowers, I think they did this with other designs too.
A thought - could the Fragonard(?) actually be Filligree? Just on the grounds that it's not lace, and it looks like filligree work!
Sizes!
The large oval plates are 14.25" long, 9.25" wide.
The rectangular plates/trays are 11.25" long, 9"wide.
I've got a "Yellow Roses" big round plate, the kind that has 5 triangular sections, for the different kinds of nibbles. It's 14" in diameter.
What about all the funny different wire basket things these often came with, David?
I've got 2-tiered cake stands, baskets with compartments for glasses, clip-on handles that go on smaller things....what else is there?
( :twisted: Can you understand why Michael is throwing fits about it all? He really likes my Mdina, and my/our contemporary art glass, but this does nothing for him but fill the house!)
My double sided thing is 11.25" long, but 9.525" wide (because of the slightly different shape - not squared, but with slightly rounded edges).
I've not given up on this thing quite yet, David - it's been sitting put away for ages, I thought it was something of real interest, so I've got much more emotional investment in it than you have! :twisted::roll::twisted:
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Hi Tony,
Thanks for joining in! Not much of a gardener and thought they were Red Daisies... :wink:
Nice photos, so can I use them - I assume Yobunny photos are copy-left?
The hole in the centre is where it was either mounted on a stand (comport) or had a stemmed handle (cake stand), however, for my next trick...
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/glassy-eye/photos/british/chance/pattern_other/rose-200.jpg)
What hole? :shock: The other point is whether I could trouble you for a close-up of the pattern, but with a white background? Very grateful. :)
Labels is another point. I've already tried cataloguing these (click Labels & Marks' in the menu bar) but I still haven't got the later one with 'Fiesta' written, so this would also help, Tony!
Leni, Sue, thanks for the ID, but don't you have any Chance though, Leni?
A thought - could the Fragonard(?) actually be Filligree? Just on the grounds that it's not lace, and it looks like filligree work!
You might be right! So I wonder if the gilt pattern is Silhouette. Or could this be something more esoteric, like Britannia, Regency or Waverley? Rhetorical: my visit to the Centre should answer many of these questions.
I'm feeling really gilt(y) now... :roll:
So is Max's trippy flower design a Dahlia? There seem to be a lot of varieties, but a couple could fit this pattern. Welcome back, Max!
I've got a "Yellow Roses" big round plate, the kind that has 5 triangular sections, for the different kinds of nibbles. It's 14" in diameter.
Aha, another shape I'd forgotten about - these are not very common! I'll wait to see the photo, but does it have a plain rim and do the segments meet in the centre?
The 2-tiered cake stand I've also resisted from buying - space is becoming a premium - but a photo is welcome! I think as I'm having to throw everything into this, I also need to cover as many of the accessories as possible. I imagine some of these could be quite uncommon. I have already noted that plates with drilled holes were comports or cake stands, and there are also cake plates with clip-on wire handles. My mother has a Calypto with one of these. I know there's a long oval dish (13½"x5¼") that also uses one of these.
The size of the double-sided is very close to one of the Chance plates, but it's one of those things I'd need to inspect it to be certain.
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but don't you have any Chance though, Leni?
:oops: :roll: :oops: No I don't have any Chance. :oops: :roll: :oops: I've been following the thread, but ......
I'm afraid I have to admit ... I loathe it! :oops:
Sorry :oops: :roll: :oops:
:shock: :shock: :shock:
Actually I mentioned this because I remember you bringing up the subject of Calypto some time ago (the seller thinking it was "Calypso").
But I'm not terribly keen on a lot of the designs; the floral ware is far too chintzy for me (trippy flowers excepted!) and very 1960s: Anne mentioned knitted poodle toilet roll covers, and this tends to sum it up. But I do appreciate the striking patterns like Swirl, Night Sky and Calypto, with innovative shapes like the Giraffe Carafe that takes a lot of beating - my favourite! :D
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I just remembered. There was three plates in an antique shop in Rochester last week. They were a design I hadn't seen before. A 'trippy flower' type of style, but in (from memory) beige and light blue.
I'll be back there soon, so I'll haggle a price for at least one of them. :wink:
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Tony,
Just had a stunning thought: you show two items with the 'Fiesta Glass' label, which isn't terribly common in the UK. Is it possible these were for export only??? 8)
In fact, I've seen'Fiestaware' labels, but think this was always in conjunction with the name 'Chance' as well.
I've photo-edited the one Fiesta label and this can be seen on the Chance 'Labels & Marks' page.
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/glassy-eye/images/marks/brit-chance/fiesta-nz.jpg)
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I just remembered. There was three plates in an antique shop in Rochester last week. They were a design I hadn't seen before. A 'trippy flower' type of style, but in (from memory) beige and light blue.
I'll be back there soon, so I'll haggle a price for at least one of them. :wink:
Is it the same as the one already featured on the Patterns page, Max?
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(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/glassy-eye/photos/british/chance/pattern_other/rose-200.jpg)
David, this mixed floral display could be one of these mystery ones, perhaps, from your original post in this thread...
Possible floral patterns:
Mermaid Rose, Summer Melody, Woodland White, Hedgerow.
one of the flowers looks a bit like a gentian (the blue one), and the top flower is rather poppy-like, the yellow one I have seen as well and can't recall the name... it has a greyish green leaf. Someone might know it.
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David, this mixed floral display could be one of these mystery ones, perhaps, from your original post in this thread...
Possibly Bouquet?
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Could be, or Summer Melody, as they are all summer-flowering plants?
I'm puzzling over Fragonard... I can't make a connection between Fragonard and Chance at all... total opposites I'd have thought! (Fragonard painted those romantic lovers often seen on Limoges-type porcelain plates etc.)
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Could be, or Summer Melody, as they are all summer-flowering plants?
Good thought. I've amended the page to suit.
I'm puzzling over Fragonard... I can't make a connection between Fragonard and Chance at all... total opposites I'd have thought! (Fragonard painted those romantic lovers often seen on Limoges-type porcelain plates etc.)
That's another possible association. But like you I can't link this to any pattern I'm aware of, therefore the possible link to the Lace/Floral Hybrid.
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:lol: David! The one I saw in Rochester IS there, labelled as Max's Trippy Flower, but it's not the same as my one.
I really must get my glass out and photograph it. I'll do so asap. :D
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:lol: David! The one I saw in Rochester IS there, labelled as Max's Trippy Flower, but it's not the same as my one.
I really must get my glass out and photograph it. I'll do so asap. :D
You get your homework done first. missy, or you'll be grounded! :lol: [private joke] Seriously, there's no rush — get your course work done first.
So it looks like there's yet another trippy flower. Wonder if there are any more?
Anyway, if you're interested I'll gladly send it down once I've finished with it. 8) Comes complete with box and the Union Flag 'Made In England' label.
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Tony's plate is not "Bouquet". Bouquet has a red and a white crysanthemum, some crysanthemum leaves and some blue cornflowers. I've got a boxed one with the name on a label on the back.
:idea: Perhaps "Hedgerow", as these are hedgerow-sort of flowers?
:idea: Fragonard is also the name of a huge pefume house. It's near Grasse, I've been there!
My labelled Clematis plate has "Chance Glass" written on it in that fiesta style of script (the later angular type).
I'm positive I've got stuff with fiesta labels, but that's all stuffed in the attic and roof space! I'm just working with what I can get my hands on in this chaos-that-we-call-home.
I've got a pint mug, with a birthday greeting on it, still in it's cardboard container which has fiesta glass printed all over it. I was saving it for somebody special! :twisted:
:oops: Forgot to say in my last post,
"Welcome home/back Max! I hope your yoofs were not hostile, and that you had a lovely time!"
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Tony's plate is not "Bouquet". Bouquet has a red and a white crysanthemum, some crysanthemum leaves and some blue cornflowers. I've got a boxed one with the name on a label on the back.
Thanks, Sue. I've included this description until a camera/photo is available.
:idea: Perhaps "Hedgerow", as these are hedgerow-sort of flowers?
:idea: Fragonard is also the name of a huge pefume house. It's near Grasse, I've been there!
It is also the name of a French Rococo painter, Jean-Honoré Fragonard, so I was expecting something along the lines of this style. Not sure which pattern relates to a smell :lol:
My labelled Clematis plate has "Chance Glass" written on it in that fiesta style of script (the later angular type).
These labels are quite common - I'm not short of these - but the 'Fiesta' label makes me wonder why they used it, without any mention of Chance?
I'm positive I've got stuff with fiesta labels, but that's all stuffed in the attic and roof space! ...
Can't wait to see them, and the pint mug! Might hold a few clues.
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I sort of thought flowery for perfume/smelly!
(Well, overly-powerful cheap perfume tends to go with knitted poodle toilet-roll covers!)
:shock::shock::shock:
I've only just opened the cardboard box the pint mug is in. On the base is moulded the word FRANCE. The box itself is covered with "fiesta glass"!!!
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david
I have added a close up photo on a white background as requested let me know if it is OK was not easy, the colour of the flowers was a problem.
Fiesta lebel I show in photos is the only one I have seen, if it had not been for the topic on Handkerchief vases I would not have known these were made by Chance Bros.
I have seen some look alike glass with labels one from Japan and one from Italy
Tony H in NZ
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david
I have added a close up photo on a white background as requested let me know if it is OK was not easy, the colour of the flowers was a problem.
Many thanks. I've tweaked the photo a little to bring the colours out a little. It'll be fine for the purpose of IDing :D
Fiesta lebel I show in photos is the only one I have seen, if it had not been for the topic on Handkerchief vases I would not have known these were made by Chance Bros.
The label seems to appear on your commemorative plate. This is a little odd: I look for this label and then two turn up at once!
I have seen some look alike glass with labels one from Japan and one from Italy
If you can, let me know the item number for any that turn up on eBay. We are finding the odd piece that doesn't fit any Chance profile but we do need to eliminate them.
Sue, your 'Fireworks' plate might be one of these?
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It might well be, David. Funnily enough, I call it the "fireworks" plate too!
On the other hand, ( :roll: not giving up on it yet :twisted:), when I look at it next to a "hippy-trippy" flower plate and the ones with the green and blue backgrounds with the lacy sunflower style pattern (you showed a red one on ebay, max has a pic), the colours are very similar........
I've just checked out your site, David, my "hippy-trippy" flower dish is not at all the same as the one marked #2, but there's no pic. for#1.
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Just to say I've posted images of a ruby-flashed intaglio plate that I believe may be Geoffrey Baxter designed when he worked at Chance in 1953. It's on this thread...
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,4026.0.html
Re. the Fireworks plate, my only concern is that the design doesn't seem to conform to other Chance styles, which have a more regular formalised pattern. This design is far 'looser' and I'd personally say it was later. However, Max might be able to comment better than me, so it might be an idea to post the photo.
My only suggestion is that following the closure of Chance in 1981 there are some anomolies; probably because the operation was bought up by Michael Joseph. This is due to a commemorative piece of glass dated 1988 being in the Heritage Centre's stock list so could have been manufactured by him, I suppose! :?
So the question is... which, if any, are Michael Joseph's new 1980s designs? Another one to ask next Friday :)
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Hi All,
Following is an update of the patterns, with design dates and names. I've also made some progress with the Shapes page and am slowly putting together the various shapes, along with sizes.
Note that another Casson design is 'Green Leaves' and dates to 1958, so this could be another design classic. Can't say I've ever noticed this one!
Known Fiesta designs (all with photos!):
Calypto (Harris, 1959), Greco (1951), Lace (1951), Night Sky (Casson, 1957), Swirl (Casson, 1955-c.1965).
Textured glass was added to the range in 1970; Aqualux, etc.
Known Floral patterns:
With photos: Anemone (Harris, c.1960), Clematis, Honeysuckle, Yellow Rose.
Photo needed: Dahlia, Daisy, Roses, Sovereign Rose, Mermaid Rose (c.1963 "printed in lemon & green")
Note: All floral patterns date from 1960 and lasted until the 1970s
Known other Patterns:
Hellenic (1961) with photo
Possible Designs:
Filigree, Grantleigh, Green Leaves (Casson, 1958), Silhouette, Wild Rice (1953), Willow (1952).
Possible floral patterns:
Summer Melody, Bouquet, Woodland White, Hedgerow, Summer, Spring.
To be determined:
Golden Lagoon (1960 "printed in gold with fish inside a border of seaweed and shells"), Regency (design?), Regency Gold (design - ruby glass with gold pattern?), Grey Dawn (design?), Fragonard(?)
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David, here's another label, circular this time, a bit dog-earred, but please feel free to use. It's on a long oval, calypto dish:
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10019/chance_label.jpg)
If you'd like a piccy of the whole dish please let me know!
The carafe I posted is 12" high.
Best wishes
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Hi Robbo,
Many thanks - an excellent photo and now on the 'Marks' page. I have seen this often on smaller drinkware items, like tumblers, so would just like to know the size and shape of that dish.
Many thanks.
I have seen a Giraffe Carafe sized at 14", hence the reason I noted this with a query on the 'Shapes' page.
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Here's the dish - it's 14 1/2" long and 5 1/4" wide.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10019/chance_dish.jpg
I bought some sherry glasses today! I'm assuming they're sherry :?:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10019/chance_sherry.jpg
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Good finds, Robbo!
The dish is a known shape, but this must be the longest one - previous 'record' is 14¼ (although it is wider) :)
Could I also trouble you for the height of the sherry glass, please?
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David,
the Sherries are 4½" high. I seem to keep seeing Calypto everywhere :roll: . A couple of weeks ago I saw some other sherry glasses, which I didn't buy, reason being that the bodies seemed quite cheap quality. They didn't have gold rims like these.
Robbo
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I think this is the Dahlias pattern (click for larger image):
(http://www.yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/albums/userpics/10001/thumb_dahlias.jpg) (http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-739)
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Just referring back to Tony's post about the Fiesta Glass label, and this maybe being an export logo... the anniversary plate I found yesterday has Fiesta Glass on the box rather than Chance Glass. Also, the box is a darkish brown, rather than the white with pattern that others have mentioned.
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10003/thumb_celebrity_fiesta_box.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-942)
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A couple of weeks ago I saw some other sherry glasses, which I didn't buy, reason being that the bodies seemed quite cheap quality. They didn't have gold rims like these.
Robbo: Thanks for this. An interesting thought about the sherry glasses - this might mean Chance either:
1. changed suppliers
2. started producing themselves
3. stopped producing and moved to an independent supplier
Perm any one from three :P Might also explain why some have gold rims, while others don't — but which came first? Later glasses are higher quality?
Anne: Thanks for the update and I've posted the plate on the site, in the Patterns page. I will also post the logo on the 'Labels & Marks' page.
The use of the term 'Fiesta Glass' would appear not to be export. My next thought is they were for glassware but I'm sure this term has been seen on standard Fiestaware; plates and such. Again, my visit on Friday might answer this.
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:D :evil: :D
For some reason, I'm not being notified of more postings - I'm using a proxy server, though, because of the NTHell problems.
I can't get a bigger image of the plate Anne suggested might be "Dahlias", but they're not dahlias. Dahlias are those big, luscious, neon-bright pom-pom things full of earwigs. :D
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Hi Sue,
Well, I can hardly be called Gardener of the Year (this is the bloke who cultivated a smashing weed for over two years...), but I think there are quite a few varieties of Dahlias:
http://www.wgltd.co.uk/
This site seems to be devoted to them and shows many types, some with long pointy petals.
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:oops::oops::oops:
I was just going by my Grandpa's ones, and the ones on my Chance plate are the same as his. Not pompoms though, the cactus or semi-cactus ones. I didn't know there were any others :oops: The earwigs lived in the long pointy petals and they were a bit like raggedy pompoms.
I'm no gardener at all (our garden is "wildlife friendly"), but there are a few I thought I knew. :oops:
I can see that Anne's plate has the same flowers as the picture of a dwarf dahlia, even without the link. 8 petals around a black centre with yellow stamen-y bits around the centre's edge.
This all goes to prove that several heads are required to....
keep me right. :oops: Thank you! :D :D :D
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Never mind Sue - console yourself with the 100th post on this topic.
My garden is reputed to have a UN outpost down the bottom. Yet to be confirmed... :lol:
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Flippin' 'eck!
Has anyone ever seen Margaret Casson's Green Leaves design before? I think I may have got a photo at last - see the web site! Apparently the glass is actually green, but sadly it was taken on a black background. Click the pattern to see a larger version.
Make sure you have a strong cup of coffee and plenty of aspirin :D
I also think I have all three Trippy Flowers designs now towards the bottom of the same page (Patterns).
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Ooooh I've never seen the Green Leaves anywhere - and the trippy flowers as well - wow! well done finding them David. :)
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All courtesy of the same seller. Sue's been admiring the Mdina on there as well!
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pips-Trip
Must admit that if it is Green Leaves it's absolutely nothing to what I was expecting! :shock:
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Anyone wondered why Casson's two designs, Night Sky and Green Leaves are so rare, yet Swirl is so common? :?
Answers on a postcard...
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6555721653
Chance, Henry - Principles of Glass Making
Don't know if this is of use David?
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6555721653
Chance, Henry - Principles of Glass Making
Don't know if this is of use David?
It would be, but not at $315... I also found it on the 'Net at £ 183.52 — would appear to be the same seller!
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?y=11&tn=Principles+of+Glass+Making&x=34&sortby=3
But I suppose any book with 'Chance' and 'glass' in the title will be worth having! 8)
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:D :shock: 8) :D
I've just seen the "Green Leaves" - very Bridget Reilly!
I've not seen it on my travels, I would not have missed it, or left it behind!
I can only think that Swirl must have been produced for a much longer period of time than the others, OR that people liked the others, used and broke them, while nobody liked the Swirl so it just sat in cupboards until it went to the charity shop. :twisted:
PS :lol: Are we trying for a record for the longest thread?
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I can only think that Swirl must have been produced for a much longer period of time than the others, OR that people liked the others, used and broke them, while nobody liked the Swirl so it just sat in cupboards until it went to the charity shop. :twisted:
Interesting theory! Not sure I agree with it, mind you :D
The pattern, though, hasn't been positively confirmed as yet. The style and shape look correct, but the size doesn't conform to anything else I've seen. Green glass is also a little odd.
The date I have for Swirl is from 1955 to c.1965, so this can be used as a fairly reliable way to cross-reference any labels that are used on this pattern. The more data we have on the lifespan of patterns and labels, the more accurate dates can be given. There is always the possibility I will locate manufacturers records at some stage that will provide accurate dating of patterns.
PS :lol: Are we trying for a record for the longest thread?
I'm wondering how far we can go before the Board gets broken :lol:
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I noted your query about the size of the "Green Leaves" dish, ran off and measured one of the dishes I have that is a blue background with a white sunflower-like doilly on it, with white edging, which is....
11 1/4" long and 4 1/2" wide! :D
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I hope you get a camera soon, Sue, as all these mystery ones are intriguing me! :? :shock:
white sunflower-like doilly
Does this match with any pattern on the site so far? This couldn't be Wild Rice or Willow Pattern?
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It's not a mystery one, you found one on ebay, Max said she had an orangey/red one, I said I had them in blue and green.
This one!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7383835038&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
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Yes, I remember - sorry been a long day and I'm a little confuddled :?
Thanks.
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:D :? :D
David, I'm getting confuddled and I'm only following this from my own little corner, not everybody else's as well! :oops:
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Sue...yes, I do have that orange dish...it's sitting next to me, waiting to be photographed. Not in make-up yet, but clean at least! :lol:
I've just seen that 'green leaves' dish. I love it! What a fab pattern! I haven't seen that before anywhere. Oh dear...that's another piece of glass I have to start looking for!
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There are three patterns that might fit with this pattern: Summer Melody,Summer and Spring. It does look like something from the '60s, but otherwise I have no idea what this would be called.
I assume the printing is on the back (underside) of the trays?
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I assume the printing is on the back (underside) of the trays?
The back of the orange tray is completely orange, as in printed. The edges of the tray are clear. :)
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Not sure if you've come across this Fashion Series by Chance:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Chance-Glass-Fashions-Through-the-ages_W0QQitemZ7385792657QQcategoryZ1010QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I wonder how many fashion periods they covered? does anyone know?
emmi
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Hi Emmi,
Yes, I've been aware of this item. If you look at the second photo you can just about make out the six periods:
Renaissance
Baroque
Regency
Louis XVI
Empire
Victorian
I believe there are other series that Chance made and I'll get information on this as and when it becomes available.
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Hi all,
More interesting developments on Chance Glass patterns.
See Visit Details (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,4103.0.html)
Fiesta Glass was all produced after 1981 by Fiesta Glass Ltd., the company founded by Michael Joseph who bought up the rights to the designs. Some of the patterns continued, but also some new ones were introduced.
Not to be confused with mention of Fiestaware which was a Chance brand name.
Here is more news as bullet points:
The Lace pattern, 1951, was made first in white, then black, both on clear glass. “Any coloured patterns were experimental” – I have a green one!
Sue! ‘Golden Spray’ pattern has been called ‘Fireworks’ and there is a blue version named ‘Ocean Spray’, c.1970. No photos of these, but this might be the elusive link for your large Chance-like dish, so can I post one of the photos you sent?
The ‘Grantleigh’ design was named by Tony Cartwright (last General Manager of Fiesta Glass) after the TV series ‘To The Manor Born’.
Anne! Those odd dishes you have — where are the photos on your site? Could be interesting.
Mermaid Rose (1963) was the first Floral pattern, followed by Anemone – this might cast doubt on whether Michael Harris ever designed the latter, if accurate.
Ruby Intaglio handkerchief vases may have been made from the melted down scraps of red glass used for railway signal lens.
The Wedding Anniversary plates were the first souvenir plates and only introduced in 1980.
'Glacier' looks like a version of Bark, but in a pale blue. Made by Chance Pilkington, not Fiesta. 'Galleon' is another Chance pattern,
Grey Dawn is a smoked glass: probably Chance, c.1980.
As suggested by Bernard, Chance did not make the drinking glasses/stemware but these were bought in from another manufacturer.
'Columbine' design was made specially for Boots Chemists.: "Contemporary flower design in bright orange and vivid green" — surely the two Trippy Flower 3 designs? :D
Pressed glass with a coloured band will be the Waverley design (1949) and only made post-war.
I now have a list of all the patterns and date they were first produced. Not sure how accurate this is, as it was only compiled recently and Calypto is designated as being 1958: a year earlier than expected.
There are many unknown patterns! I'll update my site (http://www.glassyeye.com) rather than include them all here.
Bouquet: This is a range of four totally different patterns, not just a range of one! :oops:
There is a Fiestaware milk jug and water jug, both with applied handles - start looking!
The Centre has a Giraffe Carafe in Night Sky :shock:
Yasmin (c.1980, certainly a later pattern) is a stunning Oriental design of pink flowers with green leaves on a red background — knowing Sue's aversion to PINK, I can assure you it is very tasteful :lol:
HANDKERCHIEF VASES
1. Thin vertical stripes is known as CORDON
2. Polka Dot is correct for the, ahem, the polka-dot ones.
3. Horizontal Stripe is knows as BANDELL: there are two versions of this stripe, so I need to determine which is which.
4. Gingham is correct for the cross-checked ones.
That's all Folks! (play theme tune for Looney Tunes...) 8)
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Of course you can send my atrocious pics!
I'm getting excited now!!!!
I'm not so sure about trippy flower 3 being columbine - I thought it was more like stylised tulips. Another name for columbine is aquilegia, and I love them - I think the leaves are all wrong. The flowers don't look like columbine either.....
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Hi Sue,
Golden Spray/Ocean Spray?
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/glassy-eye/photos/british/chance/pattern_other/fireworks-t.jpg) (http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/glassy-eye/photos/british/chance/pattern_other/fireworks.jpg)
COLUMBINE: I'm no horticulturist, but it did seem to describe the Trippy Flower 3 pattern very well... colour anyway! I've absolutely no idea what a Columbine looks like though... :lol:
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Anne! Those odd dishes you have — where are the photos on your site? Could be interesting.
Who, me? Ahhh these ones you mean?
http://www.yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/thumbnails.php?album=15
I just realised I have four plates not three, in two different designs (3 of one design, one of the other).
Brilliant info from your trip David. Well done. Loads more questions to be answered now!
BTW I found one of the plates with the big white daisies as well today, so picked that up for photographing for you. Also seen this weekend, but not bought as you have examples of the pattern: 3 of the small square sandwich plates in Calypto (all damaged on the edges sadly!), and a double-level cakestand in Violas/Pansies design. (I'm regretting not picking that up seeing the price the other daffodil one went for on eBay last week!)
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Anne! Those odd dishes you have — where are the photos on your site? Could be interesting.
Who, me? Ahhh these ones you mean?
http://www.yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/thumbnails.php?album=15
I just realised I have four plates not three, in two different designs (3 of one design, one of the other).
As discussed with Anne, these would appear to be from the very first batch of Fiesta :shock: :shock: :shock: prior to the original 'Lace' pattern.
After looking at the b/w photographs in the 1951 book, Mirror For Chance when the Fiesta range was first announced, the graphic design on the border, and the shape of the first dish, lead me to think they are almost certainly from the same era.
The photo seems to suggest a coloured glass, probably ruby, whereas Anne's dish is clear, and the design in the centre is quite different, but there's no mistaking the similarities of the border.
The only problem is: which pattern?
Other newly unidentified patterns that have come to light are:
Cut Pearl (1958), Canterbury (1973, poss. pictorial?), Blossom (1975), Bamboo (1979)
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... Chance did not make the drinking glasses/stemware but these were bought in from another manufacturer. ...
Thanks, David. It's pleasing to know that I was on the right lines.
However, I now think that I was being much too conservative in my speculation. I have in front of me a Ravenhead Slim Jim, a 1982 Milk Marketing Board gotta lotta bottle glass, and a Chance Calypto tot glass, all in very fine to as new condition. I can't see any difference in the enamelling.
You said that Chance had simplified the Calypto design for smaller items. How about changing this to the Calypto design was modified to suit Ravenhead's machine-printing process? Also I presume that the gold rim was heat-fixed for permanence. If so, there was no point in going to all the trouble and expense of heating them up twice. So, in all probability, the gold rims were also applied by Ravenhead.
So, it looks to me as if I have a fine set of Ravenhead glasses, made to a Chance specification and design, which were shipped to Chance just for labelling, boxing, warehousing and distribution.
What do you think?
Bernard C. 8)
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That's very interesting: I speculated that perhaps Ravenhead was one possible manufacturer and a photo of the two glasses side by side would add some weight to this.
I'm not sure of how long Ravenhead produced their 'Slim Jim', but I believe the Swirl decoration was dropped in the mid-1960s. Robbo also noted quality differences between some glasses and this does lend some credence to the possibility that Chance did change glassware supplier (or Ravenhead improved their production!) at some stage. I have a photo of some Swirl decorated glassware that does appear to be on good quality glass - see brandy balloon on 'http://Shapes' page - but it's difficult to assess without having the item in front of me.
You said that Chance had simplified the Calypto design for smaller items. How about changing this to the Calypto design was modified to suit Ravenhead's machine-printing process?
A very strong possibility; for Chance's slumpware the enamel was firstly applied to the blank sheet of glass, reheated (which 'fixed' the enamel) and then slumped. I was a little stumped (and slumped) when I first approached this subject, but how they decorated the Handkerchief vases was a big clue – silk-screen printing's not that good!
But it would make sense that with Ravenhead producing glasses and having the ability to decorate them, why create problems by increasing extra levels of production for yourself?
Also I presume that the gold rim was heat-fixed for permanence.
I can't be certain, although it is reasonable to assume as the enamel was fixed in this way. The gilt on the rim had to be finished by hand so this would either have been applied to the blanks before or after slumping. Some pieces of Fiestaware also seem to have far shinier rims but this could just be associated to slight wear and/or aging. Perhaps even how they were stored or displayed?
But the good news is that, according to the Centre when I enquired about speaking to a 1960s factory worker; "oh, there are tons of 'em"!
So, it looks to me as if I have a fine set of Ravenhead glasses, made to a Chance specification and design, which were shipped to Chance just for labelling, boxing, warehousing and distribution.
A strong possibility that could still be answered by Ravenhead.
With regard to works records from Chance, apparently Pilkington have these at St. Helens all boxed up and access has always been denied in the past... but I can ask.
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David, I've checked to see if you have this one in your gallery. I see you have Max's "Lace (Black on white)" with no gilt, but mine has no black. Anyway, here it is... see what you think.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/e008.jpg
I've done a closeup of the centre to the outside edge. It looks incredibly like real lace. The detail is astonishing.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/h009.jpg
Just out of curiosity, did Chance use well known lace designs for their products - for example Nottingham lace?
Anne E.B. :wink:
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Hi Anne,
From the information I have to hand, there were six different flavours of Lace: White, Black, Green, Yellow and Blue on clear, plus the Black on White (opaque). A photo of the white on clear version is already there in the left column.
Sadly, I can't confirm where they got the design from, but agree it's incredibly ornate - perhaps this information will come to light in time :)
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I've got at least 3 different sizes of Calypto pattern (as in the print bit). There are some pieces, eg a long sandwich plate thing with 3 sections slumped (presumably for different flavours of nibble) into it, with each section being decorated individually, like a big plate. There is a small long plate, with a smaller pattern on it, then there is the tiny size that is on the glasses and fruit/ice-cream type of bowls on a stem. I've got one of them with it's Chance label still intact. :D
I think trippy flower 2 might be a carnation? Possibly a couple of geraniums as well? One flower at least looks like carnation, the one with the raggedy edged petals, as if cut with pinking shears. The leaves are geranium-like though! Carnation leaves are long and spikey.
The Fiesta Glass pint mug I have has France on it's bottom, so that's not Ravenhead. :?
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Sue, thanks for the information. The 3-segment tray I'm also aware of, but the Calypto pattern is less common, I feel.
As with all the Chance items, having the sizes would be excellent as I'm attempting to catalogue these as well. While I have most (all?) of the shapes categorised I'm not sure which pattern relates to which shape!
If you look at the 'Patterns' page there has been a major revamp and new unidentified patterns have been included.
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:D:D:?
A few weeks ago I picked up in a local charity shop (and bought!) a triangular, clear, smoky-grey, float-slumped tit-bit dish......
I put it in my dishwasher, then in my kitchen cupboard. I didn't think it was Chance, being clear, unprinted and so on. I thought I might well use it.
It's a sort of right-angled triangle, all 3 sides differing lengths, the sides are slightly curved, like the potential Ocean/Golden Spray.
Could this be Grey Dawn?
Today, In TKMaxx, I saw a dish exactly the same shape, with a sort of woven material texture on one side and 3 coloured stripes around the other. It's label read "Joseph Joseph". I did not buy it.
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:D:D:?
A few weeks ago I picked up in a local charity shop (and bought!) a triangular, clear, smoky-grey, float-slumped tit-bit dish......
<snip>
Could this be Grey Dawn?
Today, In TKMaxx, I saw a dish exactly the same shape, with a sort of woven material texture on one side and 3 coloured stripes around the other. It's label read "Joseph Joseph". I did not buy it.
Joseph Joseph are the Standard Bearers'of the Chance legacy, so to speak! Michael Joseph bought up the rights to produce the Chance designs under the trading name Fiesta Glass Ltd, although is now called 'The Glass Company'. His twin sons operate Joseph Joseph Ltd. which appears to be a design studio selling their father's glass but with their decorations (some very nice ones):
http://www.josephjoseph.com
At one stage they did a Swirl pattern that had a definite link to the original. You can find a 50th Anniversary to Swirl (1955-2005) on my site. Here you'll also see a version of their Swirl pattern.
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I've found and id'd another floral pattern!
"Royal Bride" which is a garland of pink (using a paler and a darker pink) roses, with grey leaves and grey feathery bits. It's pretty vile, I had to fork out £4.99 for two 9" long oval dishes, in box (mesh style) with label on box, stating Royal Bride, Cat. No. 164 (number in biro). No label on bits. Got a boxed Anenome too, Cat. No. 165.
Funnily enough, the "Bouquet" is Cat. No. 166. I bought that yonks ago!
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Blimey, Sue's playing Chance gin rummy! :lol: :lol:
I got a wavy edge white lace on clear, with gilt rim. New in box with Fiesta Glass sticker and 'British Manufacture' sticker. Not sure that's terribly exciting though...lol (£1.25!)
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This is my latest buy - couple of hours ago.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/a013.jpg
Only £1 :!: and couldn't resist it. Its in pristine condition. See what you've started David :twisted: :roll:
I did see another piece of glass that might/not be Chance. It was a happy anniversary greeting thingymajig - it was just a curved rectangle that stood upright, with screen printed back. That one didn't ding my bell, so it stayed where it was 8)
Anne E.B. :wink:
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I think you were quite right to leave the "card" thing where it was, Anne!
David seems to have found out that Fiesta Ware is Chance, but Fiesta Glass is later and is all the anniversay sort of stuff, and came along with Michael Joseph's takeover.
Same family of glass, different generation!
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A few weeks ago I picked up in a local charity shop (and bought!) a triangular, clear, smoky-grey, float-slumped tit-bit dish......
Realised I didn't answer this properly: it could very well be Grey Dawn but it might be difficult to differentiate between this and anything Joseph Joseph made unless it has a pattern!
"Royal Bride" which is a garland of pink
Thanks Sue, one I haven't had mention of before - can you stop now? :D
If possible I wuuldn't mind a photo of the label at some stage, for the web site. This pattern could be post-Chance, of course.
I got a wavy edge white lace on clear, with gilt rim. New in box with Fiesta Glass sticker and 'British Manufacture' sticker. Not sure that's terribly exciting though...lol (£1.25!)
Could be very interesting. If it's Lace (and not Filigree, 1971) then this confirms the continuence of manufacture for over 30 years of this pattern - Lace is the first, in 1951! Good find though. I'm pretty sure the 'Fiesta Glass' label was used after Chance closed. Those 'Brit' stickers also have a habit of falling off as well, so take care.
Only £1 and couldn't resist it. Its in pristine condition. See what you've started David
Who, me? The very idea! :roll:
Not sure which pattern this is, but could be post-Chance - Fiesta Glass Ltd. started in 1981-on. The photo frame (for that's what it sounds like) might also be post-Chance, but I need to confirm this.
P.S. Sue, you beat me to it, re. Fiestaware and Fiesta Glass Ltd
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The box with the royal bride stuff is one of the mesh/fishnet stockings pattern, which I think is still Fiesta Ware or Chance. Fiesta Glass all seems to come in self-coloured boxes.
Did you notice the frisson of spiciness I introduced? (Well, anything seems spicy after these pink flowery things!)
Any ideas about which royal bride it might be? liz, mags, annie?
I believe being Mrs Spike Milligan could be a very difficult thing to be, but not as hard as it was to be Spike Milligan. May he rest in peace. He brought untold joy to many.
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This is my latest buy - couple of hours ago.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/a013.jpg
Looks like my Dahlia plate :)
it was just a curved rectangle that stood upright, with screen printed back.
I saw one yesterday in Keswick. They may be Chance but I think they are much later. I remember seeing these appear in the shops in the 80's. I think they are still on sale in card shops etc. aren't they?
Oh, my cousin's husband's first cousin is Mrs Spike Milligan (the third, and last one)
Now there's a claim to fame! :shock: :roll: :lol:
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Any ideas about which royal bride it might be? liz, mags, annie?
Certainly not the first two, but could also be Fergie or Di, I suppose. Commemorative ware doesn't seem to have been made until much later (Silver & Gold Wedding, c.1980, for example)
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Could be very interesting. If it's Lace (and not Filigree, 1971) then this confirms the continuence of manufacture for over 30 years of this pattern - Lace is the first, in 1951! Good find though. I'm pretty sure the 'Fiesta Glass' label was used after Chance closed. Those 'Brit' stickers also have a habit of falling off as well, so take care
The pattern on my new Fiesta Glass plate (with British Manufacture sticker) is exactly the same pattern as my plate with the lace in black.
http://i1.tinypic.com/nbve4y.jpg :D
PS: The green background is paper in the bottom of the box. :wink:
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I don't think the royal bride pattern is commemorative ware as such, it's an actual pattern, nothing commemorative is written on it. Also, the glass seems quite thin, and the commemorative stuff doesn't, but that's just an impression I'm developing. I think some earlier stuff may be thicker, but only early might be thin????......
OOOOhhh for a camera!
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The pattern on my new Fiesta Glass plate (with British Manufacture sticker) is exactly the same pattern as my plate with the lace in black.
:shock: Definitely a good buy. That's confirmation of a good 30 year life span for one pattern. Unusual box as well.
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"Royal Bride" which is a garland of pink (using a paler and a darker pink) roses, with grey leaves and grey feathery bits.
Interesting! Sue is it like this one?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7385335089
as this appears to me to be the same pattern as this Myott china pattern called.... Royal Bride!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7385924470
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:D :lol: :D
That's it, exactly. Two of them, in a fishnet-stocking patterned box. :evil:
Royal Bride, Cat.No.164 :twisted:
£4.99. :evil:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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:D :lol: :D
That's it, exactly. Two of them, in a fishnet-stocking patterned box. :evil:
Royal Bride, Cat.No.164 :twisted:
Wonderful, that plate on eBay had me stumped! Great to know it's been nailed. :)
So was this a co-operative thing with Myott? Made to complement their china ware? More questions for David to find answers for...!!! :roll:
£4.99. :evil:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Send the bill onto David! :twisted: :lol:
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So was this a co-operative thing with Myott? Made to complement their china ware? More questions for David to find answers for...!!!
The links between glass and pottery trades is probably not that unlikely. For example, Lady Margaret Casson designed for Chance and Midwinter Pottery.
Additionally, Orlak was Chance's first ovenware, designed in 1929 by a Harold Stabler. This jogged something in the far recesses of my addled brain, but I finally came up with the link: Poole Pottery was originally named Carter Stabler & Adams, with Harold being the very same 'Stabler'. 8)
Whether other ceramic/glass co-operations went on I have no idea, but I bet there's a few more lurking around :)
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Sorry in advance for being Oz-centric, but ...
Would this be a known Chance piece:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7387893393
Crown Artglass sold all sorts of stuff which looked like Chance - would they have been the local agents perhaps, or did they just use similar technique?
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Hi Cathy,
I don't believe it's Chance. However, the overall size is similar and I suppose the wooden handles (an unknown Chance feature) could have been added on, but I can't recognise the pattern either.
Not a good photo, but is this an Aussie flower? I'm wondering if Chance shipped the glass blanks to be modifed by the customer? They were also commissioned to create customised glassware, such as ashtrays with company logos, etc.
Edit: There is also US company who also produced glassware from sheet glass, called Houze, see http://www.houze.com, with printed decoration. Although they finished trading in 2004, much of their earlier output from the 1960s was very similar to that of Chance, although I'm fairly sure most of it was commemorative ware, mottoware and crestware - I have a 1969 Lunar Landing commemorative dish, for example.
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Here are a few typical Houze (Chance-alike) produced examples:
eBay Links (http://pottery-glass.search-desc.ebay.com/houze_Glass_W0QQbsZSearchQQcatrefZC6QQcoactionZcompareQQcoentrypageZsearchQQcopagenumZ1QQfclZ3QQfgtpZQQfposZQ5AIPQ2fPostalQQfromZR2QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ2QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQftsZ2QQlopgZQQsacatZ50693QQsadisZ200QQsaprchiZQQsaprcloZQQsaslcZ2QQsbrftogZ1QQsofocusZbs)
http://pages.tias.com/11211/PictPage/1922412555.html
http://pages.tias.com/11211/PictPage/1922536449.html
http://pages.tias.com/11211/PictPage/1922536447.html
You can see how easy it is to mistake one for the other. :?
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http://pages.tias.com/11211/PictPage/1922536449.html
http://pages.tias.com/11211/PictPage/1922412555.html
David, It's interesting, looking at the extra pictures of these ones, that you can see the back of the dishes which supports what you have said about Houze dishes being printed on the front rather the the back, as is Chance.
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David, It's interesting, looking at the extra pictures of these ones, that you can see the back of the dishes which supports what you have said about Houze dishes being printed on the front rather the the back, as is Chance.
Yes, this does show it very well. There are a very few items of Chance that are printed on the front: Regency Gold and, I suspect, Woodland Silver are examples. But these really are a very rare exception and I still can't work out why they did it just for these patterns!
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Hi all,
Just to notify a slight reorganisation of the site (http://www.glassyeye.com)
This was necessary due to the way the Patterns page was expanding and was approaching 500KB in size. Now when you see the Patterns page it only contains the unidentified patterns, or those with queries, and text links are available at the top of the page to the respective patterns: Graphic, Floral or Aqualux.
In the meantime, can anyone identify this black and white floral pattern? Looks like a marigold to me (but then again, everything does!) :lol:
:shock: click to zoom :shock:
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/glassy-eye/photos/british/chance/flora_pattern/unknown-black-t.jpg) (http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/glassy-eye/photos/british/chance/flora_pattern/unknown-black.jpg)
I was wondering whether it's 'Silhouette'
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Hi Christine,
Thanks for this. We have identified one Dahli pattern so, unless this is another variety, it might be something else. Probably have to wait for one of the Annes or Max to help otherwise :)
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David - I've just found my disc with some pictures which might be useful - so please use them as you wish.
Luckily I copied some of my glass gallery before my computer crashed at Christmas. These pictures are a couple of year's old and are pieces that I have had in the past.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/38-retroshallowdishes.jpg
There are two intaglio pieces shown. The white, I am more than certain, is Chance. The ruby - not too sure, but could be. The orange dish has screen printed gingham check on back and looks to be Chance. I sold these and they went to the USA. How I wish I'd kept them!
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/80-retroshallowbowls.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/89-bowls.jpg
The smaller one is the ocean spray(?) design. The blue with handle has a copper beaten effect, and the flowery one...... :roll: I'm no horticulturalist ... more a weedologist (the innocuous kind 8) :lol: )
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/78-Chanceglass.jpg
The last one is shown in its original packaging with label.
If I find any more, will post them.
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Wow Anne, these are fantastic finds!!! :shock:
I'm pretty sure these are ALL Chance. The white intaglio matches the design of Emmi's handkerchief vase and tray. The ruby intaglio is almost certainly Chance and matches my own ruby dish (on the site) which was positively IDed by Nigel.
The orange Ginham dish is weird, but also matches Handkerchief vases - might be Fiesta Glass though as they also produced this pattern on Handkerchief vases after 1981. Must be very scarce though.
How I wish I'd kept them!
Me too! :? :( :cry:
Yes, I think this more-or-less confirms it's 'Golden Spray' while Sue's dish is 'Ocean Spray' (orange-red and blue-green respectively.
The blue is Aqualux and far more common. I do have an example of the pattern, though not of the shape, with handle. There is anotehr 'hammered' effect but with larger 'dimples'. The floral is one of the unidentified patterns - any clues, peeps? Not a Daff is it, or am I being Dafft?
The last is the odd oblong 'wedge' shape that Max raised earlier. Quite an unusual shape.
QUESTIONS:
1. Do you have higher resolution images of these? :?
2. Do you have approx. sizes of these?
3. Do you have a record of who you sold to?
Many, many thanks for sharing these :D :D :D
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Anne's unknown flowers are narcissus and violets - spring flowers
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Ah thanks - this could be the Viola pattern then, although the Narcissus does seem to predominate.
So could this be the Springtime pattern, I wonder?
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Another ruby intaglio believed to have been Chance - this time a bowl.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7383984388
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Ah thanks - this could be the Viola pattern then, although the Narcissus does seem to predominate.
So could this be the Springtime pattern, I wonder?
Not the Violas pattern - I'm pretty sure that's the one with the pansies/violas on that we looked at earlier. Springtime would be a good possibility.
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The black and white one is the Dahlias one I've been on about - raggedy pompoms.
I'm really chuffed about my plate being Ocean Spray, but Anne's ones seem to have gold rims, while mine does not. Not a vestige of a trace. :cry:
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I'm really chuffed about my plate being Ocean Spray, but Anne's ones seem to have gold rims, while mine does not. Not a vestige of a trace.
There is the possibility they didn't use a gold trim. Only one of the Lace patterns (white on clear) uses this and all the others are 'giltless' (or not guilty :lol: ) Otherwise, the previous owner scratched it all off! :x
Still a bit lost about the 'raggedy pom-poms' pattern: could it be Silhouette, I wonder?
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I've now received two Hellenic plates, both the same size (9¾"), one plain rim the other fluted, and have posted better photos on the site
Following is an example photo of the pattern. Quite unusual and not often seen. However, I'm sure I've seen this on a pale blue background so if anyone can confirm I would be grateful.
:shock: click to zoom :shock:
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/glassy-eye/photos/british/chance/pattern_other/hellenic-t.jpg) (http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/glassy-eye/photos/british/chance/pattern_other/hellenic.jpg)
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Just spotted this trippy flower
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7389286234
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Nice find, Christine.
I've got the same pattern listed on the site (http://www.glassyeye.com), but not in this colour, so it's nice to see a few variations cropping up.
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But have you seen what she says the label says? Fiona Glass, Made in England
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Following is a mail from Anita Logue of Boot plc concerning the Columbine pattern. A little bit closer to the facts, although we still need to determine which of the Trippy flowers is Columbine! :?
Thank you for your recent enquiry about Chance Brothers glassware.
Unfortunately we do not have any historical supplier information in the
archives. We do have quite a lot of product literature, (price lists,
catalogues etc), although they are not comprehensive. I have looked
through the 'housewares' catalogues and price lists that we have dating
from the 1970s, and I have found one reference to 'Columbine' glassware in
a 1974 Home Ornaments and Gifts Christmas Bulletin (intended for staff).
The Decorative Glass section lists a "Fluted Plate, Coloumbine, 'Chance' "
and the price was £1.13. Unfortunately there is no illustration. For your
interest, the same list includes a few other 'Chance' items as follows:
'Yellow Rose' - Oval Savoury Server (99p), Candle Holder (£1.10), Fluted
Plate (£1.25), Sandwich Tray (£1.40)
'Lotus' - Fluted Plate (£1.13)
Have just returned from the Smethwick Heritage Centre with 90 photos :!: of some great patterns — wait until you see these! Some I have never seen before but we might have now identified Wild Rice or Cut Pearl & Willow, several floral ones mopped up, Golden/Ocean Spray confirmed, etc.
Silhouette I DID correctly identify (Sue's raggedy pom-poms :)) Oh how smug I feel! :twisted: :roll: :oops:
I'll relay this new information and update the web site over the weekend (but do have a Newsletter to mail out).
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Yay! Nice one David, I look forward to seeing the new photos. :)
Also, the Boots info is good as it tells us the three patterns they sold (even if we don't know what they looked like yet!). I wonder what Woollies may tell us next?
Who else may have sold Chance that would have archives? The Co-op did I think, does anyone else remember retailers who sold Chance that we could ask?
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I have already put in a preliminary bid, just so you know who it is! :) I've actually asked to use the photo anyway, so it's not a big problem if someone else is interested.
David, I asked the seller if she would post a photo of the label and she has done so on the listing. It does say Fiona Glass! :shock:
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David, I asked the seller if she would post a photo of the label and she has done so on the listing. It does say Fiona Glass!
Good grief, so it is! :shock: I didn't really acknowledge that, but maybe it's the Columbine pattern and this is a branding name for Boots...?
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Hi
I picked up a couple of plates today in a charity shop, both with white lace patterns on them, I'm pretty sure I have seen one of them in this thread somewhere, the other is a different pattern. I'll take a picture of them as soon as I can, maybe you can tell me if they definitely are Chance. I also have arriving soon (hopefully) two others which are the Calypto pattern, one white and the other gold. I'll take a picture of those too as I think you said you needed the gold one for your site David. Let me know if you still want it.
Just how did you manage to brainwash me into buying yet another type of glass? :? :roll: :wink:
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Hi Pat,
Taking a break from bud vases? :wink:
The best place (he says modestly) is to check my site for most of the patterns. You'll see a link on http://www.glassyeye.com that'll take you straight to the 'Patterns' page. There are three 'Lace' patterns; Lace, Filigree and Woodland White - all three are now shown.
I do have gold Calypto, but it would be great to know the shape and size as I'm trying to cross-reference types.
Just how did you manage to brainwash me into buying yet another type of glass?
Subliminal messages: "you will buy Chance glass, you will buy Chance glass..." :lol:
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That's a thought. I wonder if the Boots archivist would be able to confirm that?
Sadly, she mentioned they have no photographs to confirm which is the Columbine pattern :?
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David, I meant could she confirm the name Fiona Glass rather than the Columbine pattern?
Pat, it's insidious... he's got me doing it too now, and I didn't like the stuff either! :shock: :roll: :lol:
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Hi all,
I've now updated the site to include several new pattern idents.
There are only a few queries, but I'm be interested in anyone's comments.
Notes:
1. Willow - I've assumed this is the pattern due to the bark texture pattern... the dish certainly has some age to it.
2. New graphics are Woodland White, Wild Rice, Vine (on a Giraffe carafe!).
3. Wild Rice doesn't seem to fit IMO. Dated at 1953 it has a yellow pattern, no gilt on rim and a patterns that shrieks early '60s to me - any comments?
4. Other Patterns include; Peacock, Fragonard, Willow, Silhouette.
5. Willow is very reminiscent of the blue/white Willow china.
6. New Floral designs are; a Rose (Sovereign?), Viola, Springtime, Country Lane, Summer Melody, Hedgerow, Royal Bride.
7. Columbine identified!
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:? :shock: :lol:
So the columbine is the one that looks like carnations? (No.2)
Could No.3 be lotus? (although I think it looks like stylised tulips)
Well done on my raggedypompom "Silhouette" dahlias!
I think I mentioned before that I've recently picked up a wavy plate with dahlias and brambles on it. (Bramble is the proper word for "blackberry" where I come from - the home of soft fruit!)
I've also got another hyrid filligree....
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David, I'm thrilled to see the new pictures, and that the 2nd visit was so successful.
Specific comments re your notes:
You have two different patterns identified as Willow? The bark textured one and the blue willow pattern one. This is a little confusing perhaps? Could the bark Willow actually be the Aqualux Bark I wonder?
Wild Rice looks like a very controlled pattern yet you have the description as: "random placing of clear small ovals (grains of rice?) on an opaque background" which doesn't match the image.
Columbine - I'm amazed. I didn't think it was that one, but then again, I didn't think any of the trippy flowers really looked like columbines! :roll:
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So the columbine is the one that looks like carnations? (No.2)
Could No.3 be lotus? (although I think it looks like stylised tulips)
Yup, according to the information I have. Not sure about Lotus as I seem to have run out of pattern names now :? 8)
I'd like to see the 'Brambles' plate. There are also fruit patterns, so maybe this is one? Could be Fiesta Glass, of course, which is why I can't place it currently.
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You have two different patterns identified as Willow? The bark textured one and the blue willow pattern one. This is a little confusing perhaps? Could the bark Willow actually be the Aqualux Bark I wonder?
Nope, that's just me getting the name wrong :oops: The 'Blue Willow' was wrong and could be a Fiesta Glass pattern, but the 'white bark texture' is probably Willow and would seem to fit the era (1952) :) Thanks for correcting me...
Wild Rice looks like a very controlled pattern yet you have the description as: "random placing of clear small ovals (grains of rice?) on an opaque background" which doesn't match the image.
That's a quote as provided by literature from the Heritage Centre, and provided by Mr. Tony Cartwright who was the last General Manager of Fiesta Glass. This is why I think this pattern may be 'Cut Pearl' (1958) instead. The regular pattern as opposed to "random placing" didn't fit for me either.
Columbine - I'm amazed. I didn't think it was that one, but then again, I didn't think any of the trippy flowers really looked like columbines! :roll:
Chance glass never ceases to amaze me, with the diversity of patterns and slightly misleading names - I thought Royal Bride was a commemorative plate :lol:
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
"brambles plate.....can't place it currently"!
:oops: :oops: :oops: I must be cracking up!
I was looking around my house again, David. :D I've got glass sliding doors on a cupboard in my utility room, which look exactly like your Heritage Centre" description of "Wild Rice". :shock:
I think the period might be about right too. (We've discoered the utility room is a new addition to the house, originally 1876)
The base glass is textured, like pottery that has been pressed against cloth of a courseness similar to denim - a bit rougher than ordinary cotton, with little oval beads of glass raised up from it, in a pattern. The pattern shape is like the outline of a mesh which is stretched over the surface of the glass, pulled so that the holes are oval shaped. The overall effect is, I presume, meant to be random. The beady bits are about 2mm long, 1mm wide, rice-shaped. :roll: :D :?:
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I've got glass sliding doors on a cupboard in my utility room, which look like your description of "Wild Rice"
Hmm, I presume you're relating this, as Chance made Fiestaware from window glass, and this could be an 'obscure' glass?
An interesting theory and you may be right! But can you date the cabinet! :D
I'm not sure about Wild Rice at all. The first use of colour would appear to be Hellenic in 1961 (and that was just a pale green) so 1958 (Cut Pearl) is much closer to this. We are also relying on someone else's reminiscences and we can't guarantee the accuracy; even Delia (the Curator) told me not to entirely trust all the rarer names.
It'll have to remain a query. :?
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If the cabinet dates to the 1930s, then the glass might be an example of earlier Chance Aqualux - see 20th Century Factory Glass, Lesley Jackson, where you can see a photo of four examples.
i need a camera :cry:
We need to start a fund... 'Buy Sue a Camera' :D
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Here is the picture of my two plates. From your site David (well done by the way!) I have positively identified them as the Lace and Filigree pattern. The left hand plate measures approx. 21cms and the right hand plate approx. 25cms across.
http://www.glassbudvases.co.uk/images/laceplates.jpg
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:D:D:D
The cabinet door texture is not like those in LJ's 20th CG. The picture these shows one I would call "hammered" (bottom right), "bobbly" (bottom left) and the two top ones are crinkled, like the skin that forms on a blob of gloss paint, the one on the right being coarser. The doors' woven texture has the same effect as the crinkles, the random ricey bits stand proud of this.
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Sue, the top-right dish in the photo is the basket-weave pattern called Maxine (you'll need to use a magnifying glass - I just need to take my glasses off!), so might be closest to what you describe. However, it would appear this isn't the right one anyway. It was only a long-shot. :)
Pat: Thanks for the photos: the dimensions are useful for confirming sizes and shapes. :D
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Not sure whether it's interesting or not, but here are the plans for the Green Cape Lighthouse light (it is just on the NSW side of the NSW/Victoria Border), which was made by Chance Bros.
http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=4957016&I=1
http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=4957012&I=1
It's a brilliant lighthouse, I think it's the oldest unreinforced concrete building in the southern hemisphere. We visited it with the children for our last holiday.
http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=11871752&I=1
I have some photos of it that we took, somewhere.
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David,
Looking at your site again, the plate you have labelled as Filigree is very similar but it is different to mine. Maybe because it is a larger size than yours? It is more like the Filigree/rose hybrid. I was just interested..... :)
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Not sure whether it's interesting or not, but here are the plans for the Green Cape Lighthouse light (it is just on the NSW side of the NSW/Victoria Border), which was made by Chance Bros.
Wow, great find Cathy :D :shock:
As I'm now researching Chance glass, it's information like this that adds considerable interest.
Of interest to you; during WWII the Australian government approached Chance to aid them setting up an optical glassworks. Chance were unwilling/unable to devote time and resources and were probably comfortable in the knowledge that it would take them too long to develop their own process — net result: the birth of the Aussie optical glass industry!
Many thanks!
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David,
Looking at your site again, the plate you have labelled as Filigree is very similar but it is different to mine. Maybe because it is a larger size than yours? It is more like the Filigree/rose hybrid. I was just interested..... :)
Hi Pat, I actually made a boo-boo and two photos mysteriously disappeared from the site (damn gremlins again...): Filigree being one of them. I've now restored it.
However, due to the various sizes of plates: anything from 3" (7.5cm) square to massive 14" x 10" ellipses, some patterns had to be adapted to fit. Sometimes the small pattern was repeated, or a segment of a large pattern was adapted to fir smaller items.
The left-hand plate (http://www.glassbudvases.co.uk/images/laceplates.jpg) is definitely Lace, but it may have a 'Greco' border. Such hybrids are known but not that common. Bordering on 'scarce' but certainly not 'rare' IYSWIM! :D
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Sadly no. It is exactly the same as the border on the green and black lace plates on your site. :(
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As I'm now researching Chance glass, it's information like this that adds considerable interest.
David, I've a raft of links about this area also. I'll e-mail you them shortly! (You may well regret this once you've seen them!!! :shock: :roll: :lol: )
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I went Charity shop shopping today...and found something rather odd.
Here's a M Casson swirl long dish...with a difference:
(http://i1.tinypic.com/nqqyrt.jpg)
(http://i1.tinypic.com/nqr0a9.jpg)
I assume that's a company logo of a boar in the middle??
I bought this too...Green Leaves? It's a small dish..I was quite cross to pay £2 for it!!
(http://i1.tinypic.com/nqr1hi.jpg)
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Grief, those are a bit odd! Have you got sizes, Max? Is there gilt on the edges? Think I've got all the sizes/shapes sorted now, so this might confirm it.
One thing did occur to me; there was a company called Sherdley who at around the same time was trying to emulate the success of Swirl and I'm wondering if this is an example of their work? Might be a significant find all the same.
On another point: there is no confirmed evidence that Casson did design Swirl! Might be one of these urban myths that's been perpetuated by eBay and I'll admit I always thought it was her design, but neither LJ's nor Nigel's book actually attribute it to anyone.
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David
The long dish with the boar on it is almost 14" long. Fab condition with lovely gilding. It certainly feels like Chance to me! :? Funny old job, isn't it??
The little dish is just over 4.5" at its widest point. Got a few scratches to the middle...£2!! Daylight robbery! :shock: :lol:
Hm...if i'm going to sell any Swirl on Ebay, I'd better do it now in case the M Casson tale is debunked! :shock: :x :P
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Ones having a true elliptical shape nearest to 14" have sizes 13½" x 5¼" and 14¼" x 9¼" (give a take an eighth) so the first seems closest.
Might be Chance, but the boar logo is odd. Also the pattern goes in the opposite direction. It could be a commission, I suppose, but why alter the original design so much?
Following is a comparative photo, although a slightly different shape but virtually the same length.
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/glassy-eye/photos/british/chance/fiesta_pattern/swirl04-z.jpg)
(http://i1.tinypic.com/nqqyrt.jpg)
Any clues, peeps?
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The little dish: not totally convinced. The sizes I have for the three-sided dish are 5", 6" and 8". A photo without the shadows would certainly help though — I'm going batty just looking at it! :P
I really don't know what Green Leaves looks like yet, but it might be the one already posted on the site.
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:D:D:D
Max, is your boar plate printed onto the front or the back of the plate? Chance is normally on the back, but if this was on the front it might explain the opposite direction if the swirl. (ocean spray is printed on both sides)
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Max, is your boar plate printed onto the front or the back of the plate? Chance is normally on the back, but if this was on the front it might explain the opposite direction if the swirl. (ocean spray is printed on both sides)
Very interesting thought Sue...but it's printed on the back only. Curious, eh? :shock: :D
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:D:D:D
Perhaps they ended up reversing the pattern when they cut it to put the boar in?
Is this boar a logo for anything? A pottery? a butcher's shop?.....
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Ooh, ooh, ooh... pick me, pick me (what DVD was I watching last night!)
Max, how does the colour of the transfer compare with known Chance? If it's the exact same colour it's unlikely Sherdley would have duplicated it so closely – I'm also thinking it's unlikely they would have copied the pattern so closely either.
But because Swirl was so dramatic and successful, it might not have stopped an overseas company duplicating the design.
As for the logo, this might be an early piece of commercial adware, but it certainly is a very strange item and worth hanging onto.
EDIT: An update on Sherdley's version of Swirl: it was named 'Twist'
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I can't understand why its called 'green leaves'?
Might not be. My site does have a possibility that was on a green background.
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/glassy-eye/photos/british/chance/fiesta_pattern/casson-greenleaf2.jpg)
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Hi :D
Here are the pictures as promised of the gold Calypto plate and the white Calypto 3-section dish. The plate is approx 25cms diameter. The dish is divided into three sections and is approx 34 cms x 15 cms.
http://www.glassbudvases.co.uk/images/goldcalyptoplate.jpg
http://www.glassbudvases.co.uk/images/whitecalypto3dish.jpg
I must not buy any more Chance glass
I must not buy any more Chance glass
I must not buy any more Chance glass :shock: :shock: :lol:
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Look into my eyes, look into my eyes, not around the eyes, look into my eyes.
You will not, repeat not, stop buying Chance glass.
<click>
You're back in the room. :lol:
Thanks Pat
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That's strong hocus pocus David :lol: Look what you've made me do....(http://www.websmileys.com/sm/sleep/schla24.gif)
Here's a spiderweb dish with a difference...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/greenstripe007.jpg
It has a stippled green band on the outside.
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Thanks Anne, looks like it's working... :shock:
Should really be in the Pressed Glass topic, I suppose, but I do already have this version listed on the site - so similar to my photo I thought you'd nicked it! :D But if you have the size that would be most useful.
I also know there are other colours in this range, blue, amber, green, red I think.
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... but I do already have this version listed on the site - so similar to my photo I thought you'd nicked it! :D
:roll: I'll take that as a compliment.
The bowl is 6.5" diameter and 2.25" high.
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:roll: I'll take that as a compliment.
The bowl is 6.5" diameter and 2.25" high.
Depends on how you rate my photography, of course! :D No, it was a very good photo, esp. as clear glass is such a pain to photo sometimes.
Looks like your bowl may have come from the same source – exactly the same size as mine :)
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Hi David,
Have you seen this one? Could this be wild rose?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Chance-Glass-Claret-Rose-Floral-Plate_W0QQitemZ7390198823QQcategoryZ1010QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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I'm no good at flowers myself, however I did spot this and think it may be later Fiesta Glass, so not really falling within my range. It looks to be a hybrid pattern of Floral design with Lace decorated rim and something Fiesta did experiment with during the '80s.
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6254922906 The same claret rose design again... but look at the listed price???!!!
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:shock: Blimey!
But one interesting snippet from here, though is:
MAKERS MARK ON BASE OF STAND
'JAMES CLARKE & SONS OF STOKE-ON-TRENT'
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That'll be the makers of the metal stand though David. I recall Adam D told us about metalware makers in a much earlier thread on the board. It may help date the piece though perhaps?
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That'll be the makers of the metal stand though David. I recall Adam D told us about metalware makers in a much earlier thread on the board. It may help date the piece though perhaps?
I realise it'd be the metalmaker's mark, but I actually managed to find the original thread you refer to:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6335.0.html
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Hi David,
Have you seen this one? Could this be wild rose?
Sorry Pat, I should have made my reply a little clearer: although I think the plate is Fiesta, the central design could indeed be Wild Rose. Currently I have no reference for this but it might be a design without the decorative rim.
EDIT: The design produced by Chance (pre-Fiesta Glass) is probably without a decorative rim, I mean :roll:
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Hi Christine, it is possible this was the Rosebud pattern, which I still haven't seen an example of :wink:
But I wouldn't concern yourself about it as I'm sure another will come to light eventually.
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Well David your hypnosis worked! :shock: :wink:
Thought you might like to see my latest aquisition. A Chance Calypto oval dish/plate. Approx. 14.25" x 9.25"
http://www.glassbudvases.co.uk/images/calyptooval.jpg
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Very nice Pat, what size is that one please?
I found a set of six small wine glasses on Saturday - absolutely perfect, and only 9cm tall (these are smaller than the ones David knew about previously). A quick pic for reference is here (click for larger image):
(http://www.yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/albums/new_images/chance%20etc/thumb_chance_calypto_wines.jpg) (http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-765)
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Sorry I meant to put size on. Have edited to include it now. It is in good condition with just very slight wear to the gilding in one place.
It measures approx. 14.25" x 9.25"
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:D :D :D
I found Pat's wavy plate hybrid with a label yesterday. It does say Fiesta - but it's at my Dad's, and I can't remember if it was ware or glass :oops: :oops: :oops:
Anenome was definitely, positively, no question at all about it, designed by Michael Harris. It was a commission. This has been confirmed by Elizabeth Harris.
:D :twisted: :D
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Hi Sue,
Welcome back - everything OK? :)
Many thanks for confirming that Michael Harris designed the Anemone pattern, but I don't suppose you know which year?
The information from Smethwick Heritage Centre mentions that 'Mermaid Rose' was the first floral pattern in 1963 and Anemone came out in 1965. However, Michael Harris had left Chance some years earlier to this (c.1960) so I'm wondering if this was a private commission. In LJs book 20thC Factory Glass it mentions that Anemone was designed "in the early 1960s".
Oh for some factory records... :?
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Hi David, Thanks, I'm fine - I just feel as if I'm in some parallel universe after my trip down south and the Cambridge fair! My brother's house is so full of technology of extremely advanced nature that I end up having a technology-free time - I can't work anything. Not the TV, the lights, the coffee-machine or the computer, so I've not been "here".
Sorry I didn't ask what year for the "anenome" - I suppose I just assumed it must have been when it came out!
It was a special commission.
The one described by Christine sounds like "royal bride" :?
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Ok, thanks Sue. I think it'll have to remain one of life's little mysteries until I can access any company records. I will look through the Pottery Gazettes when I'm over at Broadfield House and see if there's any mention of it being introduced. Just curious to know which is the first floral pattern :roll:
Know what you mean about technology though: I used to be an ardent technophile, now I'm total technophobe!
'Scuse me while I stoke up the computer with more coal... :lol:
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The one described by Christine sounds like "royal bride"
You might be right, Sue.
Christine, can you remember if it looked like this?
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/glassy-eye/photos/british/chance/flora_pattern/royal-bride.jpg)
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I thought this might be of interest. As far as I can tell, it could be a precursor to the lace pattern. Very fine glass, transfered to base and upper side.
Let's see if I can get the Yobunny gallery to work!
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-1102
Erm...I think that link takes you to my album. There's other pics of that lace plate, and also a cobweb sugar bowl + lid, and a large Waverley pressed glass bowl.
Hmm...your gallery seems to save time Anne! :wink:
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Max: The sugar bowl is certainly unusual and I'd like to include that on the site – variety is the spice of life, so they say. I'll also repost the photo onto the Pressed Glass topic as well. I have got a photo of a large Waverley bowl (that was sent to me free of charge from the USA!), but if you have the dimensions that would be appreciated (likewise the sugar bowl).
The Lace patterned dish I can't be sure about. Anne posted an image of a bowl sometime ago that I originally thought was an early Fiesta pattern but it turned out to be made by a (West) German company called Union Glass under their 'Filigran' tradename and was probably dated c.1970. However, again the size might help confirm this one way or the other at some stage.
It does look quite similar in shape to the 'Rounded 3-sided Nut Dish' on the 'Shapes' page and the sizes I have for these are (in inches): 5, 6¼, 8 across (12.5, 16 or 20 cm).
On the Curiosity Scale it's currently "quite interesting", but I'll let you know when it gets to "pant wetting" :lol:
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David
The little sugar bowl is 12cm across the widest point. It's too hard to measure the height...it's all curves! However, I've got a little vase in Spiderweb too and the base of the sugar bowl is exactly like that...sort of has a little dimple in the middle.
I feel there's a good possibility that the lace dish is Chance. I'd put it earlier than 1970's, it feels more like late 50's, but I'm only guessing. Were they making this stuff then? It's much better quality than later Chance stuff anyway. The glass is very fine, the transfer is subtle, and the gold rim is thick and overlaps into the bowl and over the side by 3mm.
It measures just under 8" at its widest point. Hmm....velly interesting!
PS: The Waverley bowl is just under 9.5" across and just over 3" high. What is it with Chance??? Why all the strange measurements??!! I got it for £1 in a charity shop yesterday, and the Spiderweb sugar bowl for £1.95 - bargain!
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Thanks for the dimensions, I'll include this in the data.
I recently bought a 'Chance Swirl' dish with a Spirograph style pattern (you also noted this) and this also has an overlapping gold trim. I wasn't convinced it was Chance, but have since been told it is. To be posted soon.
The dimension appears to be correct so a great find if it is Chance! But while most of their dimensions were imperial, virtually all Fiestaware is a fraction out (often ¼" or more), which can probably be attributed to the plain glass blanks being the exact size, not the finished shape (which 'slumped' when heated).
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Here is the 'Spirograph' dish:
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/glassy-eye/photos/british/chance/fiesta_pattern/spirograph.jpg) (http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/glassy-eye/photos/british/chance/fiesta_pattern/spirograph-z.jpg)
Quite similar (but not the same) to the pattern I believe may be called 'Green Leaves':
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/glassy-eye/photos/british/chance/fiesta_pattern/casson-greenleaf1.jpg)
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Hi
Fantastic site David - I can't believe it has grown in such a quick time with so much information, surely it is the best Pilkington/Chance site on the internet already - such fantastic and easy to access pages on colours, shapes, and older Pilkington items. Already seems so complete, but I know you are still ‘a work in progress’ in a way a research site always is.
Fantastic you have had so many contributors from GMB. I believe this has been a viable project because the glass is abundant in the UK and is not expensive (although prices are rising).
I guess you have already covered this, but here goes – packaging.
I think it was an important angle when ‘Fiestaware’ was launched – I think it was clever to have a simple shallow box with a gold grid pattern and a plastic top kept tight by a ‘gold’ elastic band – this looked glitzy and allowed the buyer to view the wares. I also think having a plain inner box base for interchangeable couler card backgrounds was cool – dark patterns could be white lighter patterns could be red or blue or black – I don’t know how many card backgrounds were used.
I can only really talk about flat ware as I don’t know how handkerchief vases were packaged – any info?
Here is a ‘Clematis’ pattern small oblong tray in its box – white background/label type 1
(http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8114/chance10pm.th.jpg) (http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chance10pm.jpg)
(http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/8752/chance28kd.th.jpg) (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chance28kd.jpg)
Here is a ‘Daisy’ pattern small oblong tray in its box – red background/label type 2
(http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/3794/chance62el.th.jpg) (http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chance62el.jpg)
Back of box where stock codes were often written
(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6852/chance50qg.th.jpg) (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chance50qg.jpg)
Here is a kidney shaped 'Lace' pattern tray - the base card is a deep metallic blue, note the simpler way of securing this larger items lid.
(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9123/chance6ii.th.jpg) (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chance6ii.jpg)
I know of label changes, what about box pattern changes and different ways of securing lid must be a few out there?
I have to end with my favourite shape – the ‘spear head’ – it is just so like my favourite Poole Pottery ‘spear head’ shape, I wonder whose shape came earlier?
(http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2097/psychflower4ox.th.jpg) (http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psychflower4ox.jpg)
All these items cost £1.50 at a recent car boot sale - imagine original packaging and all for that price!
Adam P
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Hi, and thanks for the compliments. I also have to admit I'm also staggered by the response, and also the length of this thread... will it ever end???
But there is no way I could have got so far in such a short time without the help of those contributors who have found new patterns, made suggestions, named the flamin' floral patterns for me and provided such wonderful photos — to be honest it's really the GMB's web pages, not mine! :oops:
To all these people, a sincere and heartfelt THANK YOU!
You are right about the packaging: it has been covered within the site and there are three patterns that should help identify ages. I think this is in date order:
1. Diamond shaped (to 1971?)
2. Star shapes (possibly before the Diamond shape?)
3. Cross-line grid pattern (the last box style?)
But there might be earlier box styles yet to be found. The number written on the back (100) probably indicates the shape code. According to my documentation, this should be a 10" plate with plain rim? Once I have all these numbers I will compile [yet another] cross-reference.
However, your Daisy & Clematis pattern dishes are of particular interest because of the labels, which dates it exactly the same as my original guess. Daisy was introduced in 1970 or later and that's the end-date I'd given this particular label.
The Clematis pattern reveals the same 'Diamond' box style was still being used at 1971 or later, but the new logo on the label is pretty solid evidence of when this style of label was first used and when the old 'script' logo was finally dropped (now being used again by Chance Ltd).
It is therefore reasonable to assume the changes to the logo came about in 1970 when Pilkington assumed full control over Chance (previously they had a major shareholding).
The last item is referred to as 'Teardrop' – a new naming convention at this stage might lead to confusion! :) This shape was first used no later than the mid-1960s (Swirl used this and the design was ended around this time) but I don't have a firm date. We have yet to determine the pattern name, but use Max's original 'Trippy Flower' name...
Thanks for sharing these finds: most illuminating.
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One point about the GlassyEye.com web site: because the Chance side has grown so quickly, I am thinking of a new dedicated web site (with its own URL) to hold all the information. It is getting rather unwieldy and it's best I do it now, rather than later.
ADDENDUM: I missed the Kidney Dish — this is FILIGREE not Lace :shock:
But the shape is also quite an uncommon one. If you have the sizes for all these items it would be most welcome.
Is it 9¾" x 6" by any 'chance'?
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Thanks Dave
Your comments are really interesting - "my you do know your stuff" and you have great humility a rare thing - I am starting to go to boot sales again now and will look for Chance - there was a lot at one boot sale, I just couldn't carry anymore (I was buying Czech glass) LOL.
Interesting what you say about the box types and label The Clematis pattern reveals the same 'Diamond' box style was still being used at 1971 or later
sounds safe suggestion when I think about other companies, Iittala were still using Karhula boxes after the date most sources say they were phased out - I have a catalogue to prove it - inside would be a item with an Iittla label. ‘Waste not want not’ during transitional periods!
'Teardrop' ahh what a lovely name - I can buy these quite cheaply in Glasgow, a glass shelf of them would look amazing!
Thanks filigree, not lace :oops:
You know I forgot they also used a cardboard lid - same time as the plastic one :idea:
OK I get it (duhhhh) - deeper item - that may mean the handkerchief vases came in a big square box - pattern as below
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4114/chance26lk.th.jpg) (http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chance26lk.jpg)
Will post sizes tomorrow afternoon
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Daisy 14.5cm x 11.3cm, 2cm high
Clematis 14.4cm x 11.3cm, 2cm high
Teardrop 29.4cm x 17cm at widest area, 5cm high at base end, 3.5cm high at spear end
Filigree Kidney 26.2cm long (sold in May 2004) no more measurements kept in my database
Filigree Oval 16.5cm long, 13.5cm wide, no record of height but I think was near 3.5cm, maybe higher - it was a shallow bowl really
(sold in May 2004)
Both Filigree were photographed with an old camera – that is why they are not so sharp
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Apologies if you've already got this one.... Just bought this morning, along with a large 11.25"x9" shallow gilt edge 'Swirl' dish. Not very good pics. I'm afraid. The light was bouncing about all over the place this morning.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/assorted008.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/assorted013.jpg
This will be my last posting for about ten days or so. Off to Cornwall, and hope to come back with pics. of Lizard lens :P (and the odd hunky surfy-dude 8) )
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Adam: Thanks for the sizes. I might ask for hi-res photos of the two labelled dishes but without the lids, if you don't mind.
As for the box styles, I do have 'Columbine' (1974) and 'Regency Gold' (1972) in the 'star' type box, which may confirm a later date, however it can't be ignored that someone might have switched the boxes around to make a complete unit!
Anne B: :shock: Cripes, that's an unusual one: shape as well. Looks similar to the hybrid 'Filigree' one I have listed (see 'Pictorial' link), but with a totally different floral pattern.
Could be later Fiestaware, post-1981, but I have no idea about the flowers: I don't think this is one of the missing 'Bouquet' patterns, but ones I have yet to see pictures of are: Lotus (c.1974, for Boots?), Blossom (1975), Bouquet (4 patterns to this series). However, Fiesta Glass did produce another, coloured version of Honeysuckle — isn't that red flower, with yellow tips, one of those? But what about the yellow and blue flowers? [Weeds? :lol: ]
I'm also having second thoughts whether these are adapted from Filigree as well: could be Lace, which was my first assumption.
Nice photos, so I expect stupendous ones of Lizard Point now! :P :wink:
Have a nice holiday!
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David - I recognised the Honeysuckle, and it occurred to me that the others could be weeds. I thought of wild meadow flowers maybe. The little blue ones reminded me of Speedwell, which grows on fields/meadows. You have to look very closely to spot it amonst grasses because its quite tiny. The yellow one could be some sort of Columbine type flower. I aint no Charlie Dimmock - so I'm sure other members will have a better idea than me. :P
I'll post some better pictures on my return.
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Or forgetmenots? :)
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Honeysuckle and forget-me-nots, and what looks like a yellow clematis...but could be a celandine, and the yellow bud looks a bit like a dandelion bud! so I'd say a wild flower or hedgerow sort of name David.
Very nice find Anne. :)
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IMPORTANT CHANGES TO SITE:
Due to the rapid growth of the Chance glass side within glassyeye.com, I decided to create a whole new web site purely to contain the research into this subject. The URL is now...
http://www.chanceglass.net
I think you'll find the site MUCH easier to navigate and the pages have been slimmed out more. It has also meant that the menu can now be far more specific, so each major topic has been split further (all Pressed glass styles into its own page, for example).
I have also discovered a new Hellenic pattern that's been posted.
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New updates to the New site. Now positively identified are Bamboo, Blossom, Summer, Wild Rose.
All thanks to a lady named Maggie Tyrell who's been collecting for about four years and amassed several thousand pieces! The pieces are gradually fitting into place and starting to make sense 8)
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Honeysuckle and forget-me-nots, and what looks like a yellow clematis...but could be a celandine, and the yellow bud looks a bit like a dandelion bud! so I'd say a wild flower or hedgerow sort of name David.
Pat and Anne(s): thanks for the feedback. Hedgerow is confimed already and the only other name is Bouquet, but there are four to this set and none fit. I think this must be a Fiesta Glass pattern.
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Latest news I have is as follows:
Both Bouquet and Summer ranges comprise four patterns that probably derived from a single transfer. This meant smaller items could have totally different patterns but were all part of the same range.
The Green Leaves and Spirograph pattern could both be Golden Lagoon, but this needs confirming. If so, I'm completely stumped as to what the Green Leaves pattern looks like.
EDIT: Received a strange plate this morning! Although it is the standard Columbine pattern it contains an odd label titled 'Fiona Glass' in a standard 'diamond' decorated box:
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/images/marks/fiona-glass.jpg)
It is possible that as this pattern was (apparently) sold exclusively to Boots the Chemists this was simply their rebranding. Not enough samples to form an opinion ATM, but certainly an interesting label.
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Anne B: It looks as though your dish with the Filigree border is called 'Honeysuckle'.
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/flora_pattern/honeysuckle2.jpg)
I believe Fiesta Glass introduced ranges with Filigree or Lace decorated borders; if so, it should date this after 1981.
The dish I show on the site as a Hybrid Floral-Lace is actually called 'Harmony' and is again by Fiesta Glass.
EDIT: Emmi's white intaglio handkerchief vase and accompanying dish has actually got a name: Cut Pearl! I always thought this could be intaglio 8)
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Cut Pearl is a wonderful, evocative name for Emmi's intaglio set! :D
I got some Swirl dishes in the post today (in original box). I don't usually bother with Swirl anymore, but these looked exceptionally well made...er...and they were dead cheap. :oops:
Excuse me, cos I've got a mental block, but are the little oblong 'snack' dishes usually compressed/squashed at the sides? I could go and check, but I've only just packed all my Chance into boxes again..and it's in Spider Heaven..the shed! :shock: :x
Here's a link to look at: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-1134
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Thanks for the name to go with my intaglio set David., and congratulations on all the hard intensive work you are doing on the website. It seems it will be a never ending work in progress but worth it. It is really fascinating - you should make all the Antiques magazines aware of its existence - so when they do features on Chance glass, they have something good and reliable to refer to for reference and should give you a lot of hits. I am so impressed by its quality and content. And thanks too, to all of this forum's members who have contributed in such a generous way to help collate the info. So, so good to see such a community spirit.
Regards Emmi
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Thanks for the name to go with my intaglio set David., and congratulations on all the hard intensive work you are doing on the website.
Thanks for the kind words Emmi. The problem I have about making the site too public is that all the research (and misteaks! :lol:) are conducting live and online. Admittedly these are getting ironed out in quick time, there are probably still a few gremlins waiting to bit me in the bum! :lol:
I can only echo what you say about the co-operation and spirit from fellow members on the board giving me the opportunity to glue it all together. Also the speed in which everything came together is staggering: I first started research this on 21st January. The power of the Internet! :shock:
Max: You can never have enough Swirl! I agre about the names as well: but some of the Handkerchief vases were also officially named: CORDON for the basic pinstripe, for example.
You're also right about Pilkington. Some time ago Nippon Glass took a 20% stake in the company, but they have now bought it outright.
Sue: I have a standard redirection set up on the new home page for technical reasons, but I could alter this if you continue having problems - not got a virus have you?
There are a few 'fruity' patterns around but I still haven't got around to cataloguing them yet.
A few more revelations:
1. The orange 'Sunburst' pattern (also in turquoise) is not Chance, but made by Dema (examples seen with label).
2. The pattern Rosebud is actually called 'Royal Bride', so that one can be eliminated.
3. A new pattern uncovered called 'Elegance' - I have a colour photocopy.
4. There appears to be a Thistle pattern.
Note these last two came out very close to the end of Chance, so are probably quite scarce!
I now have a complete list of the entire collection of Maggie Tyrrell, who kindly forwarded it this morning... along with a large Night Sky tray! :oops: The generosity of some people is simply amazing :) :o ... I also got a large Waverley fruit bowl all the way from the USA for nothing so will make a donation to Acorns on Sharon's behalf to match the postage cost.
You may be interested to learn that this entire collection (about 4,000 pieces, I believe) has been bought by Michael Joseph (of Fiesta Glass) for the purpose of starting a permanent museum in Smethwick.
That's all folks!
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Hi all,
One thing has been bugging me. The 1974 catalogue from Boots mentions them selling a Chance 'Lotus' pattern "Fluted Plate" (it cost £1.13, incidentally).
But I can't seem to locate any mention of this (in much the same way that 'Columbine' proved elusive). However, I'm wondering if the pattern I call 'Trippy Flower' does resemble a lotus flower? :?
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/flora_pattern/trippy1.jpg)
The good news is that I believe all the floral patterns are now identified apart from this one. :D
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David, it does in a way. Lotus is similar to a water lily - with big flat lily pad leaves (the sort frogs enjoy basking on). It's as close to lotus as the canterbury pattern was to canterbury bells. ;)
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Thanks Anne.
My only thought is that I can't find mention anywhere amongst my literature about a Lotus pattern. But according to the Boots archivist the catalogue quite specifically states this was sourced from Chance. At a guess it is probably a rebadged Chance item made exclusively for them.
I thought I was going mad and they'd reintroduced the Lotus pressed glass pattern :lol:
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Hi everyone, I have just Chanced across this site and I think I have died and gone to heaven!
I have been a Chance collector for a couple of years now and have been searching for a site to help me-and here it is!
Am still working my way through the posts and looking at all the pictures.i keep spotting items like mine.
I am interested in any info on the Hellenic/vine pattern. I have a few items in this,but info is scarce.I have a huge plate, about 13 inches across with a grape pattern and greek figures around.Does anyone have any info on this?Will try to post some pics but not very good on computers.
Liz
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Hi Liz, and welcome to the discussion.
The plate you describe is also from the 'Hellenic' range, which is available in two patterns. I think there may also be a version with a blue background as well.
According to Lesley Jackson's 20th Century Factory Glass (and printed elsewhere) the pattern "based on drawings of ancient Greek vases by Ebbe Suneson." and adapted by Robert Berrington (sic, or 'Barrington'). The pattern is known to have been introduced in 1961, although at present there's no data on when it was finally withdrawn.
I am currently compiling a cross-reference of all patterns and shapes, so any information you have would be most welcome.
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Two pieces of matching gilt edge Britannia bought last week in Helston.
The milk/cream jug is 4" high max. and the bowl 2.5" high and 5.25" diameter.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/Chance012.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/Chance015.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/Chance017.jpg
Yellow Rose? (or wild rose)
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/Chance006.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/Chance020.jpg
Another piece of advertising/corporate glass which I thought might have been Chance, proved not to be as it was screen printed on the top and not underneath :roll:
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Two pieces of matching gilt edge Britannia bought last week in Helston.
Very nice examples, Anne. These are from the 'De Luxe' range, c.1950, as shown by the ivory enamelled inserts. I'll plonk these in the Pressed Glass topic.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,4240.0.html
Yellow Rose? (or wild rose)
Neither! :lol: This is Mermaid Rose and was the very first pattern do be produced. IMHO, not the best example of the floral pattern! :? :roll:
I believe this is the last floral pattern to be identified, apart from the Bouquet and Summer ranges that feature four separate patterns.
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Whoopee - I've just found something with a thistle pattern! It's rather similar to the "Royal Bride" pattern, in that it has a garland of delicate motifs around the edge, of thistles and foxgloves.
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Hi Sue,
Ahhh, excellent! I have since found mention of a Thistle pattern but couldn't reconcile it.
Photo please... [damn, you can't :roll: ] :wink:
Additionally there appears to be one further Fiesta Glass pattern called Carnation. I have a feeling this was posted earlier, so will trawl through all the postings.
Edit: Nope, could only find mention of Carnations as a passing mention, so no photo of this presently.
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A photo of the Summer Melody pattern on white from Anne B:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/chance022.jpg
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I haven't really been paying close attention to the Chance stuff on Ebay recently, but just checked the 'completed listings'...
I found this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Chance-Glass-very-unusual-RUBY-RED-swirl-pattern-plates_W0QQitemZ7392730715QQcategoryZ1010QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I've just bought one similar to this for about £5....is the world going mad? Surely this is madness?! :shock:
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Not sure if that one slipped under my radar, but the opening price might have put me off.
Ruby Swirl is very collectable and is quite scarce. Not often seen and is one of the best pattern/colour combinations IMHO. While £44 does seem a little high, it is a set (one side plate missing), so probably a little high, but not too much of a surprise?
I've just bought one similar to this for about £5...
A complete set? :shock: :P
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David - another one. Gilt edge 9¼" x 5½". Quite an old one judging by the surface wear underneath. Not very detailed either.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/Chance028.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/Chance031.jpg
Whoops - if the pic. size is a problem, let me know and I'll reduce. Seems to have grown for some reason because I adjusted the brightness.
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Hi Anne,
Hmm, this one's interesting. My first thought was Sovereign Rose, but now I'm not too sure – doesn't look the same. I doubt if it's one of the patterns from the 'Summer' range either as these should feature two or more types of flower.
The size fits in with a known Chance example too.
Oh Anne! I've got to find out what this is now! :lol:
EDIT: NOT Mermaid Rose!
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Hi David. The nearest match is Sovereign Rose. However, the one you show is much more detailed, although the colouring, general shape of flower is the same. I just wonder if this is a very early one, and Chance refined their designs as time went on? This one (found yesterday), is quite simple and basic (like my old GCE art effort :lol: )
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Hi Anne,
Yes, sorry, SOVEREIGN Rose — getting muddled with my Mermaids :D
You may be right, but the only point is that by 1972, when Chance were supposed to have first released this pattern, their transfers had become quite sophisticated and all patterns were very realistic.
Mermaid Rose (1961), by contrast, is quite primitive and very flat-looking, yet the next year Anemone was released looking far more vibrant and solid. This also proved to be the most successful floral pattern.
So I'm at a loss to explain this unless it's an unknown pattern. Suggest you hang onto it! :shock: :wink:
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Having had time to think about Anne's 'new' Rose pattern, which is almost certainly Chance, the following options could apply:
1. One pattern is as yet unidentified.
2. One of the red Rose patterns is a later (Fiesta?) pattern.
3. They are both 'Sovereign Rose' but the later is a redesigned Fiesta version.
Sovereign Rose is dated 1972, but Fiesta are known to have produced an example. The other photo (on left, Anne's is on the right) is from the SHCT and I've no doubt is correct.
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/flora_pattern/sovereign-rose.jpg) : (http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/flora_pattern/q-rose.jpg)
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I have just unearthed this large Calypto dish(forgotten I had it!) It's the largest piece I have ever seen - 13.5 inches across and divided into five segments for those cocktail delights of the 50's and 60's, sausages on sticks,cheese and pineapple etc etc....
Also found four more Britannia plates - this time larger ones at nearly nine inches across:
http://i1.tinypic.com/rw2hll.jpg
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I have just unearthed this large Calypto dish
Very nice. There are two versions: one with 3 segments and, such as this one, a 5-segment model. Neither are very common.
Can't see the Brittania plates! :D
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Recently I acquired a pair of glasses that I haven't seen before. These are champagne (Babycham style) with a wide, shallow bowl.
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/shape-drink/champers-swirl3.jpg)
3¾ (9.5cm) tall and with a 3½ (9cm) diameter rim. Excellent condition with gilt completely unworn :)
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David - another one. Gilt edge 9¼" x 5½". Quite an old one judging by the surface wear underneath. Not very detailed either.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/Chance028.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/Chance031.jpg
Whoops - if the pic. size is a problem, let me know and I'll reduce. Seems to have grown for some reason because I adjusted the brightness.
I was just looking at this, and I wondered if the transfer was on or under the glass? Looks like knife cuts through it...
Oh PS: I bought a whole set of spiderweb dessert bowls for 99p! :shock:
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I was just looking at this, and I wondered if the transfer was on or under the glass? Looks like knife cuts through it...
Hi Max, the transfer print is on the underneath. The "knife cuts" are actually deep scratches on the base. There is other wear on the base also, allowing the white background cloth to show thru.
Well done getting a whole set for 99p. You were'nt wearing a mask and cape at the time were you? :lol: I'm just wondering what to do with all this Chance glass???? May be we should secretly deposit it on David's doorstep and quickly 'leggit ' :twisted: (on second thoughts, I'll keep the more valuable bits).
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Anne said:
Hi Max, the transfer print is on the underneath. The "knife cuts" are actually deep scratches on the base. There is other wear on the base also, allowing the white background cloth to show thru.
Ah ok. I bought likely looking piece recently and then realised the transfer was on the top of the glass....and it very likely wasn't Chance! :roll: :x Waste of money!
I have NO idea what to do with all this Chance stuff. I'm actually beginning to dislike it quite intensely. :evil: :shock: :x 8)
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May be we should secretly deposit it on David's doorstep and quickly 'leggit '
My house is the one with the knitted doily door-knocker cover... :lol:
Ah ok. I bought likely looking piece recently and then realised the transfer was on the top of the glass....and it very likely wasn't Chance! Waste of money!
I have NO idea what to do with all this Chance stuff. I'm actually beginning to dislike it quite intensely.
I received a super-rare, never-seen-before patterned dish only today that I bought off eBay - likewise, it's not Chance as the glass is too thick! But I did get a scarce handkerchief vase cheaply: win some, lose some.
Cummon, you love it really!
Pehaps there's a market for Chance patches or Chance gum, but probably no NHS Helpline
If there was an injection, you'd probably find the syringe was from Chance's Hysil range :D
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Just as a thought, for anyone who really doesn't want to keep their Chance, how about asking the Heritage Centre if they would like it? Or even, donate it to the upcoming Chance Glass museum? David, what do you think?
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Anne, that's an excellent idea if anyone wishes to 'offload' their Chance glass. However, it might be better if I contacted Michael Joseph first as he's only just bought a 4,000 piece collection :shock: I'd also need to know more about his plans for the museum.
The Smethwick Heritage Centre (SHC) already have a surplus of Chance glass and the new museum, if it does come about, is expected to adjoin the same building (this extension already exists but is unused at present).
I have a list of both collections and much of the Fiestaware will be covered, but I note the Handkerchief and pressed glass ranges both have gaps in them.
If anyone wants to e-mail me privately feel free to do so.
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Have you seen this "gorgeous" item. She has three different shapes http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7401470338
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This is one of the patterns I do like... I found some of the 5" diameter pintrays in this - it's called Grantleigh, and on the smaller items the brighter border is omitted, leaving just the centre pattern. The 5" trays were also made into candle holders.
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This is one of the patterns I do like...
Yes, I have to agree and actually bought three Grantleigh dishes from this seller. As described they were in superb condition.
Can't see where the term "gorgeous" is used though...
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Thanks Anne, but I do actually have one :wink:
Not that uncommon though; it's the yellow & white gingham pattern. The unusual thing about this particular type is that the white stripes are horizontal, whereas all the other varieties (with a white stripe, that is) are vertical. 8)
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Would that be just a case of the transfer print being placed differently?
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I guess not (having tried to visualise it :roll: :lol: )
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Would that be just a case of the transfer print being placed differently?
No. The white bands continue all around the vase, while the yellow vertical stripes are truncated, so this was the transfer as intended.
If you can imagine the vase flattened out, as it would be before slumping, the white stripes would form squares, while the yellow ones (edit) are tapered towards the base and would radiate out towards the top.
EDIT: I have since noticed a red/white gingham pattern where the white stripes are horizontal. This is a 5" height, so quite an uncommon model.
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David some more :roll: buys :roll: :lol: :P
1. VIOLA. Pair matching cake stands. Fluted gilt edge, one with gold label. 9½" and 8" diameter. Are they also called pansies?
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/a085.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/a092.jpg
2. BLOSSOM. Cake stand. Fluted gilt edge. 8" diameter.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/a087.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/a093.jpg
3. CLEMATIS. Long oval plain gilt edge dish with silver label. 13½" x 5¼" x ½" high.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/a089.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/a095.jpg
Apologies for not tweaking brightness levels before downloading :roll:
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David some more :roll: buys :roll: :lol: :P
Thanks, Anne: I knew you liked the stuff really :lol:
Viola is invariably referred to as Pansies and the photos look fine to me - slight tweak is all that's required and the close-ups in particular look great! :)
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7402833256 - is this Chance?! (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BEAUTIFUL-CHANCE-GLASS-PLATE_W0QQitemZ7402833256QQcategoryZ1010QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Any ideas what the pattern could possibly be? I'm short of a photo for Thistle (yeah, right! :lol: ) and Carnation (I doubt it :? ) at the mo, but as it has silver included, it does suggest Fiesta Glass. However, these are normally commemorative plates, aren't they?
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It certainly looks like Chance, but..... silver.....? May be a Silver Wedding Anniversary commemorative plate???
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The anniversary plates are usually marked as such though... in fancy lettering. It looks like Chance - reminds me of the raggedy flower Silhouette pattern a bit.
No reason why silver couldn't be used - we know of one design in white and gold (Elegance).
The flowers are spring flowers - I can see daffs, harebells, lilies, iris, anemones amongst others.
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The anniversary plates are usually marked as such though... in fancy lettering
Yes, this is what made me doubt whether it was Chance/Fiesta. However, silver or gold wasn't used much and elegance is a very late pattern (c.1980). The two most notable 'metallic' patterns are:
Regency Gold: 1972
Woodland Silver: 1975
Although both of these are what I term as a 'graphic design'. With so many Spring flowers it could almost be an Easter plate :P
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One of the plates donated by Maggie & Keith has been puzzling me. The first time I saw it, I thought 'Green Leaves': the pattern designed by Margaret Casson, 1958.
Then I started getting doubts: the pattern looks too modern... or does it?! Night Sky and Swirl look rather modern too and they predate Green Leaves.
The item was on a long rectangular 3-segment Sandwich Tray and conforms exactly to the right dimensions (13" x 5¾", 33x14.5). The white background may appear to be much later than '58, but Chance were using this on the one variety of Black Lace, c.1955 (or even earlier!)
The glass also appears green when viewed edge-on, but I think this is merely the effect of the white transfer.
:shock: click to zoom :shock:
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/fiesta_pattern/greenleaf1-t.jpg) (http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/fiesta_pattern/greenleaf1.jpg) : (http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/fiesta_pattern/greenleaf2-t.jpg) (http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/fiesta_pattern/greenleaf2.jpg)
Any thoughts, peeps?
I've updated the site to include these images and made a few more additions and alterations.
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David, surely that has to be Margaret Casson's Green Leaves? :?: I know we're used to designs not matching their names but that does, and feels right.
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"Gut" instinct says you've got Margaret Casson's "Green Leaves".
Congratulations, I think!
I'm a little worried about Night Sky and Swirl being predatory on Green Leaves - though perhaps that's why it's so hard to find! :twisted: :oops: IGMC
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Hi Sue and Anne,
Yes I'm feeling a bit more comfortable with this attribution now :) Just tried to speak to Micheal Joseph about this, but we keep missing and are leaving messages for each other. On a surreal note, perhaps we should leave telephone answering machines to take over? :lol:
The only problem is that Green Leaves appears so scarce, so there's nothing to compare it with! :?
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Well whatever it turns out to be...I really like it!!
Did I really say that? :?
I must not buy any more Chance glass!
I must not buy any more Chance glass! :shock: :shock:
David I have a 3-cornered peanut dish, Calypto pattern do you want a picture of it? :lol: :lol:
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Well whatever it turns out to be...I really like it!!
Did I really say that? :?
You sure did! It's one pattern that really appeals to me as well, along with the other graphics. I love that 'stitched' leaf in the background :D
David I have a 3-cornered peanut dish, Calypto pattern do you want a picture of it? :lol: :lol:
Thanks Pat, but I actually got two of these the other day from Keith & Maggie! In fact, I think I'll post their complete list, and I'll post photos of if there's anything anyone would like to query. I've already pulled out about 20 or so pieces that caught my attention.
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List of Chance Glass obtained recently
To save me listing some of these items individually on GMB (and punishing the bandwidth!) I thought I'd just give the list – thankfully it formatted reasonably well! Any required for the web site will eventually find their way on.
Most will be useful for photographing and some will eventually end up in the museum (Green Leaves dish being the most obvious), while others will be sold off for charity. Maggie has suggested Acorns, but if anyone wants to buy anything I'll happily go along with the charity of their choice. The rest I may keep (but not all that much).
I notice there are also some Ruby Greco dishes (one of the earliest patterns, c.1952) that aren't listed here. In fact I think there are a few others as there are two water jugs (a Calypto as well) – thought it looked a bit sparse!
Yes, the other water jug IS in Silhouette – very unusual!
Pressed Glass
1934-1951
Spidersweb 12cm dish
Britannia sugar basin
Britannia milk jug
Britannia 22cm octagonal plate
Britannia 12cm green dish
Lancer 15cm fluted bowl
Lotus 12cm bowl
Waverley 18cm celery vase
1939
Aqualux 36x13cm oval brown
Aqualux 25cm round fluted brown
1960s Handkerchief 4” mustard Pinstripe
1970s Handkerchief 4” blue Polka-dot
Bent Glass
1951 White Lace 34x14.5cm oblong
1951 White Lace 20cm round plate (black)
1955 Swirl 25cm round
1955 Swirl 25cm round fluted
1957 Night Sky 28.5x23cm rectangle
1959 Calypto 11cm sugar basin
1959 Calypto 15cm triangle
1959 Calypto tot glasses (4)
1959 Calypto Gold 21cm round fluted
1961 Mermaid Rose 25cm round fluted
1962 Anemone 33cm '5-segment' tray
1962 Anemone 33cm square
1967 Summer 18cm round
1967 Summer 36x14cm oval
1967 Silhouette Water Jug 23cm tall
1970 Daisy 22x14cm oval
1971 Filigree 34x16 rectangle
1971 Filigree 12.5cm round fluted
1971 Clematis Wedge shape (2)
1971 Honeysuckle 15cm lens
1971 Honeysuckle 14.5x11.5 cm dish
1972 Sovereign Rose 25cm round fluted (2)
1972 Sovereign Rose Teardrop
1972 Regency Gold 21cm round fluted
1972 Regency Gold 12.5cm round fluted (2)
1972 Regency Gold Candlestick
1973 Hedgerow 25cm round fluted cake stand, pyramid base
1973 Dahlia 34x16cm rectangle
1973 Dahlia 12.5cm round
1974 Springtime 34x16cm rectangle
1978 Summer Melody 18cm round fluted
1978 Viola 25x29cm rectangle
1978 Viola 15x12cm rectangle
1979 Bouquet 32.5cm round fluted
Dates Unknown
Royal Bride 25cm round fluted
Royal Bride 22x15cm oval
Gingham 25cm round fluted
Fruit 25cm round fluted
Warwick Bear 18cm round fluted
Bluetit 12cm square tray
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Excellent new shape just purchased. It is a cake platter measuring 12½" (32cm) diameter and has three applied solid glass feet.
This is probably the only Chance Fiestaware that is not 'slumped', unless I'm mistaken?
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/shape_plain/platter1.jpg)
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David said:
Wouldn't mind a photo of your newly acquired 'Escher' vase when time permits, Max!
LOL Yeah, I paid a bit more than I thought, but less than it could have been. Er...if you know what I mean. Actually, I forgot about it and only found out I'd won it four days later. LOL!
Hey, I almost bid on that swirl tray! :lol: :lol: Nice one.
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Yeah, I paid a bit more than I thought, but less than it could have been. Er...if you know what I mean.
I do :D But I think that was a good price for a 7" 'Escher'. Often see the commoner 4" ones go for around that price 8) Well done.
The Swirl tray is very nice and quite unusual — glad I got it! :wink:
I see the 'Waterford' Handkerchief vase has been listed again with a £50 price tag. Ooooh, shall I...? :lol:
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Nice holiday Anne? :)
Yes, I think it's called extracting the wee-wee...
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Great thanks David! Back to reality with a bump :roll:
Unable to get better pics of the Lizard lighthouse lens this time round, because we flew down and had no other means of transport. I like walking, but that's pushing it a bit :roll: :lol: Next visit around June - so its on my list of things to do.
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Just when you thought it was safe! :lol: another "not to be confused with Sovereign Rose" turns up. This time, a 5½" square one with gilt edge :P
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/misc317.jpg
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Thanks Anne, another one for the 'Shapes' page. With the more popular designs, six of these were often teamed up with the rectangular Sandwich Tray (13½ x 5¼-ish).
I currently have complete sets of Calypto, Ruby Greco, Lace (white, black and black on white versions!) and probably Anemone kicking around somewhere... plus odds and sods of both sizes, of course :roll:
I also have the Carnation pattern winging its way to me, so will post this shortly. Sue's also kindly sending down Thistle and Grey Dawn so this has virtually polished off the missing ones.
I just wished I could ID that Spirograph pattern! :evil:
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I have succumbed at last :shock: :oops: I now have a 13 inch oblong sandwich dish in Bamboo with plain edges complete with label and tatty box. Would you like a picture?
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Hi Christine: yes a photo would be most welcome :)
Bamboo is not a terribly common pattern – probably being a later Chance design – so the shape and size is quite important (well, to me anyway!). Chance made quite a few different "rectangular" shapes; most had straight edges with tight curved corners, but some had rounded edges and, later, others with more pronounced rounded corners.
Good purchase though! And don't worry, we do therapy sessions every Friday... :lol:
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That's good book me in! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sorry, we're fully booked! :twisted: :wink:
But the real coincidence is that I've managed to pick up a Bamboo plate, also no gilt on rim so this may be a common factor with this pattern. However, some patterns have been found in both states: Anemone is one example, so there isn't always a hard and fast rule. Would still like a photo of your tray, Christine :)
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/flora_pattern/bamboo.jpg)
Also managed to find one of those rather scarce Preserve Pots, with lid, this one in Calypto:
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/shape-drink/calypto-jar01.jpg)
Anyone seen this in any other pattern. Swirl or Anemone, perhaps?
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Here it is. It measures 13.25 by 6.25 inches, give or take a weeny bit. I suspect it was one of those 'unwanted gifts'! The box is gold stars on cream.
Click to enlarge. Do you want me to email a copy?
(http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0152_edited-1.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0152_edited-1.jpg)
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Thanks Christine :D
I've used this on the 'Shapes' page as it's one of the 'Rounded' rectangles. A later shape, not terribly common, and it would appear to be the first I've recorded of this size as well :wink:
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I've never seen that preserve container David...well done! Totally different from anything I've seen before. :shock:
Escher vase arrived in perfect condition, I'll get a pic soon off to you. I think you've got one though? It's 10" across the top! :shock: Another hanky dust collector. :x :wink:
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Hi
I have not looked into this excellent thread for a few weeks
I have to congratulate David on his website, it is now so accessible and informative - I can't see any lover of British glass passing it by.
This has probably been covered, but I will add anyway.
A 1970s oblong ‘Sovereign Rose’ pattern dish (label) complete in box with compartment for a utensil - the compartment nicely made from same cross hatched pattern cardboard as rest of box
'Sheffield Steel' (reads) long pronged (three) sweetmeat fork with plastic 'Mother of Pearl' handle
(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/379/fiesta1lu.th.jpg) (http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fiesta1lu.jpg)
Dish 11cm x 14.5cm
Fork 15.5cm long
Thanks
Adam P
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Thanks Adam, the pattern has been IDed, but not that shape associated with the floral design. The included fork is not terribly common and I believe it was a later (after 1975?) addition to the range.
accusable and informative
What am I being accused of? :wink:
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I was dead chuffed to see my photo on a real website, thank you David.
No problem at all – that's the easy part :wink:
... the hardest part is identifying patterns :roll:
Sue kindly sent down three plates; Grey Dawn (easy: it doesn't have a pattern :D ), Thistle (ooh, look, thistles round the edge!) and another that's really hacked me off! Sue suggested 'Lotus', but I'm not sure.
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/flora_pattern/q-lotus1.jpg) : (http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/flora_pattern/q-lotus2.jpg)
A standard Sandwich Tray, gilt edged with a very Oriental feel. Suggested as 'Lotus', except this might clash with another pattern — the Lotus currently associated with the Boots archive, although this is also not positively identified but the Modernist feel does fit more comfortably. This tray does exhibit some age: whether this is from use, or true age is hard to say, but the Tray is the earlier 'square' cornered style that does suggest 1960s and therefore probably not consistent with Boots' archives, c.1973.
Thistles can be seen on the Floral page. Any suggestions to this new submission?
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Camillias....Peony? Perhaps? Emmi (very nice whatever they are)
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How about crysthanthemum - doesn't this motif appear in oriental designs? It has an oriental feel about it. :P
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Camillias....Peony? Perhaps? Emmi (very nice whatever they are)
Could be Peony or Crysthanemum I suppose. Very hard to say for sure as it is somewhat stylised. It could also be an experimental pattern? The reason I say this is that the transfer is not as uniform on the reverse.
Just trying some better photos – bit of a devil to photo to be honest! :twisted:
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A better photo of the 'Lotus' pattern. As you can see the transfer is not in great shape and is flaking at a few points. But because of the pattern you can't tell from a distance :wink:
LOTUS PATTERN DETAIL (http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/flora_pattern/q-lotus3.jpg)
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I'm linking to this in case this one hasn't been seen before...I've seen so many designs now, I can't think straight! lol
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GLASS-CAKE-PLATE_W0QQitemZ6272052027QQcategoryZ979QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Hi Max,
It's a Fiesta Glass 'Wild Rose' pattern. Yup, I'm going pretty boss-eyes too! :roll:
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New additions to the site are:
1. A Blue Lace pattern.
http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/fiesta_pattern/lace-blue1.jpg
2. Carnation pattern (Fiesta Glass)
http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/flora_pattern/carnation.jpg
This dish also came in a new box style that's also been listed. There's also an improved Gold Swirl photo on the 'Graphic' page as well.
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David I've been meaning to tell you for ages I've got a set of a Chance bowl/dish and 4 (I think - can't remember offhand) smaller matching dishes. The pattern is very hard to describe (and I don't yet have any photographs) but it is printed in an orange colour on one side and yellow on the other - this gives a kind of 3D effect - it's a very simple stylised pattern of dashes ..... I'm sure you have these already but if not let me know and I'll dig them out and photograph them for you.
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Hi Pip,
Sounds like Golden Spray - does it look like a fireworks display??? 8)
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Yes that's a great description of the pattern David - I take it you've got it already then?
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Yes that's a great description of the pattern David - I take it you've got it already then?
Yup!
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/fiesta_pict/goldenspray1.jpg)
But I haven't seen a bowl and dish set, so that would be worth looking at.
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Great: thanks a lot!
The vast majority of Chance doesn't have that much value to be honest, but Night Sky, Ruby Swirl and other items of rarity can be real finds. The strange shapes are always desirable: Giraffe Carafe, powder bowl, preserve jar, and much of the drinkware. The Silhouette water jug is a real rarity and I have one :D
I recently picked up a Blue Lace plate for a mere £1.04 off eBay (thanks, Max!) so they can be found. The Trippy flowers are not bad sellers either!
Take a look at some of the pressed glass too.
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Chance is undervalued in this country - probably because there's so much of it around and it can be picked up cheaply however my American customers, who obviously can't get hold of it other than on the net, value it highly. I don't buy or sell the blousey flowery grannie Chance stuff (it's not my style and I like to restrict my shop items to things that compliment each other) so I tend to buy the slightly harder to get hold of more retro looking things - which do command reasonable prices.
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:D:D:D
I think I told David in an email something else about this oriental pattern, that may help with dating.
When I saw that dish in a charity shop, it struck me not only was it Chance, and a pattern we hadn't encountered so far here, but that I remember, way back in the (very) dark ages of 1977, I was given a set of this pattern as an engagement present. I hated it on sight. It was one of those things I shoved to the back of the cupboard, put things in front, then behaved a bit roughly with the items in front in the hope that everything at the back would all break. I do remember there was a deep round dish, probably about 8" diameter, nearly 2" deep. I did use it as a fruit bowl.
:D I think I succeeded in smashing the rest of it quite quickly. :lol: :oops:
See? I really didn't like the stuff even then!
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:D I think I succeeded in smashing the rest of it quite quickly. :lol: :oops:
You heathen Sue! :lol:
You may well be right about the age: I simply can't place it anywhere, but it just 'feels' older than this to me. Certainly the sizes and shapes you quote all make me think I'm fairly certain it is by Chance as well. Edit: here it is again...
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/flora_pattern/q-lotus2.jpg)
Anyway, I am having a meeting with Michael Joseph tomorrow and I think Tony Cartwright will be there as well. He was at Chance from about 1959 (Calypto year!) and finished as General Manager in 1981, before transferring over to Fiesta Glass. Hopefully he might recognise some/all of the patterns that are currently evading identification – I have a lot to take with me!
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:D:D:D
I thought I'd better put the information here! The deep dish I used as a fruit bowl was exactly the same as the deep dishes we've found, so yes, the shapes are right. The year was definitely '77. The set might have been older - there's no telling that it wasn't an unwanted gift to the people that gave it to me in the first place. It came from his side of the "family". See? No taste! :twisted:
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Thanks Sue. My only reservation is the tighter corners on the plate: I get the impression Chance introduced the plates with pronounced rounding to the corners c.1970. Again, this is one thing I need to find out! :roll:
TO ALL:
If there's any questions you'd like me to ask tomorrow, please let me know. I'll have a quick look at my mail before I go, so plenty of time. :)
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I got all excited today and thought I'd found some Chance in a new pattern. BUT I think it's probably Sherdley as it was with what I have now decided is Sherdley Twist and they were "1960s Pilks" and a " wedding present". I'll post the pictures for info. Perhaps I should listen properly next time!
Unknown 8.5 inch fluted dish, probably Sherdley(http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0165.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0165.jpg)
Sherley twist oval platter 13 x 9 inches (http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0166.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0166.jpg)
Sherdley Twist plate 6.25 inches(http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0167.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0167.jpg)
Click to enlarge
And I took this thread to a new page :D
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Ooh, these are interesting, Christine. 8)
I also have a gilt-edged, octagonal plate, that I now think is Sherdley Twist, although I've yet to get firm confirmation. In fact I have very little information at all on Sherdley's operation.
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/fiesta_pattern/spirograph.jpg)
My only hesitation is that the pattern looks very new, with virtually no wear, and the gilt is totally unworn. To me, it suggests something quite recent, but we all know how deceptive this is.
I showed the pattern to Tony Cartwright, former General manager at Chance, and he immediately discarded it as Chance. No hesitation.
But as this pattern is not often seen, it could be scarcer than Chance, so perhaps some form of intrinsic value?
I got all excited today and thought I'd found some Chance in a new pattern.
Oh, the times that's happened to me... if I had a pound for every one I'd seen... :roll: :D
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I'm pretty certain mine are late 1960s, I should have asked for a precise date. The lady wasn't a dealer and she had writtten Pilks Glass 1960s on a piece of paper with them. She then told me they were wedding presents. I would say she was about 10 years older than me, so that seems about right. I have two platters, two plates (the rest "got broken") and the bowl. All have very little wear. I did wonder whether they should have gilt edges as there were traces of gold on them, but I think it was gold paint from elsewhere because it was little odd bits all over and I can't see any real evidence of it on the rims even with a magnifying glass. Feel free to take the photos or if you want I'll try and get some without so much reflection.
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:D:D:D
Christine's first fluted plate looks like the frilly bit is straight bits and pointy bits, like the filigranglas I've got. There are the same number of points - 8.
The other pattern looks a bit like a fractal/pixel of the spirograph pattern.
:evil: :( :? I'm still on the trail of the elusive Orlak.
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Thanks for giving permission to use the photos, Christine – I've added the first to the 'Unidentified' page: click the main 'Fiestaware' page and you'll see a link there.
I have seen flaking gilt on some Chance plates, so it might not have been applied properly, I suppose. But it would be nice to clear up who made these odd patterns and include them on the site to avoid any confusion.
Sue, you may be right. I was looking at those flutes and certainly dating to the 1970s (or even later) would fit in. However, I did look through a few 1970s Fiigran catalogues recently, and this pattern didn't crop up. I think I'll see if I can borrow it for a short while, and scan some examples.
But has anyone ever seen an example of Sherdley's 'Twist' :?: :?: :?: , (he says shouting :wink:)
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Just Chubby Checker's "Twist" so far!
Heck I danced that only last year... :roll:
Just to show what the competition were up to in the '70s. The following is a sample from the catalogue of Unionglas (Germany) who produced the Filigran range:
:shock: click to see full page :shock:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/Chance/filigranglas-swirl-t.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/Chance/filigranglas-swirl.jpg)
As you can see the similarities are very marked and no doubt the success of Swirl is what prompted these look-a-likes. But also how easy it is to think you've got an experimental or rare pattern.
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It was the zig-zag one I thought might be the novelty. I'm fairly confident that the Twist ones are Sherdley because we are literally up the road from Pilkingtons and people from round here but not in the know would lump Pilkingtons, Ravenhead and Sherdley all together
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It was the zig-zag one I thought might be the novelty.
It is one pattern I haven't seen before, but I can't say who made it. As Sue points out the flutes are reminiscent of Fiigran.
With you being in Warrington (strange, I thought you were in Lincs! :oops: ) I can see the obvious link with Sherdleys. But is there any local heritage centre that might have any infomation on their glass, Christine? It does seem rather elusive at present.
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The champagne glass has been seen by your Cheshire correspondent in Calypto 8)
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Thanks Christine: these don't appear very often so it's nice to see confirmation. I'm wondering if there's also an Anemone one, as this was made in just about ever shape and size.
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I think I've just found an example of a 12 X 9 rectangular in Mermaid Rose http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7411593825
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Yes, that is Mermaid Rose. I do already have an example but if you are thinking of buying, then I would point out it's not the most scintillating design... not made for terribly long period though, and there doesn't appear to be much around.
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Anne (Womble) has found a Dahli patterned 'Teardrop' dish that's now shown in the Shapes > Dishes & Bowls section.
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/shape-dish/teardrop-dahlia.jpg)
I was wondering if anyone had ever seen a smaller one? This measures 29 x 17 (11½" x 6¾") but I have a feeling there may be a smaller version of this shape.
Anyone seen this new topic I posted in the Cafe?
Who said Chance Glass wasn't collectable? (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,5451.0.html) :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Hi David & all
I think you probably know this piece, I have searched the threads and your site and can't find it - but I always miss things LOL
14cm x 14cm square glass dish, white enamel square to underside and gilt decoration to top - commemorating one thousand years of 'Unbroken Parliamentary Rule in The Isle of Mann' - 979 - 1979 (not difficult to date then LOL)
Box has star decoration and plastic top, no insert - glass edges are ground and unpolished (no gilding) picture three shows a slight mistake in the hand grinding process, the corner has not been rounded properly
(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6528/chanceiom0gz.th.jpg) (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chanceiom0gz.jpg)
(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4216/iominbox9zy.th.jpg) (http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iominbox9zy.jpg)
(http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/4287/chanceiomedge4nm.th.jpg) (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chanceiomedge4nm.jpg)
all images copyright Adam Perkinton
Thanks
Adam P
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Hi Adam,
A very nice dish and what I refer to as 'mottoware' — but could be referred to as crestware I suppose.
Chance made thousands of different ones for a variety of commercial ventures and, as you can appreciate, it would be impossible to try and catalogue them all. But I am looking to list a few special ones and I already have a 1954 West Brom Cup Winners tray, 1972 Munich Olympics, Madame Tussards, for example.
If you want to send on a photo, but at a very slight angle, this will help minimise flash reflections, and I'll be glad to include it.
Now I've got my FTP problems sorted out (again...) I'll post a few finds from this week.
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A few new finds!
Blue Greco sandwich set, complete with box:
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/fiesta_pattern/greco-blue.jpg)
Blue intaglio dish, 8¾" diameter and 2¼" deep (ooh, isn't it gorgeous!):
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/intaglio/blue-bowl.jpg)
New Fiesta red & white rose floral pattern on a 2-tier cake tray. This make six Fiesta patterns that were original (not made by Chance):
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/flora_pattern/q-rose-redwhite.jpg)(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/comport/2-tier-rose1.jpg)
The last floral pattern from the 'Summer' range, I believe (Type-4):
(http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/flora_pattern/summer4.jpg)
Any ideas on the flowers for these last two?
To the best of my knowledge, there's only one other floral pattern left to ID (but I've said that before :wink: ) and that's from the 'Bouquet' range.
There's also Blue Lace, but I think I've mentioned that.
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David, the top one (2-tier) looks like roses but it could be a red rose and a white poppy - it's not too easy to suss the white one from the pics.
The bottom one are autumn flowers/fruits... dahlias/chrysanthemums, michaelmas daisies and blackberries.
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Chance made thousands of different ones for a variety of commercial ventures and, as you can appreciate, it would be impossible to try and catalogue them all.
I don't appreciate, the Internet is here :) worth trying and a better name is custom glassware. Custom comes across in many languages too.
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Chance made thousands of different ones for a variety of commercial ventures and, as you can appreciate, it would be impossible to try and catalogue them all.
I don't appreciate, the Internet is here :) worth trying and a better name is custom glassware. Custom comes across in many languages too.
If you're saying I should try and catalogue them all, then I'm not sure I have the time or effort to do this. The problem is; there are no records* of what was produced so it really would be impossible to catalogue them all (I wasn't using the term glibly!) These trays were produced from c.1953 (Royal Coronation) right until the mid-1990s and I think it would be a task-too-far — besides, is there sufficient interest to justify all this effort?
But if someone else wants to take on this task, I'll give them all the support they need.
I believe Chance called these trays 'Promotional', however to try and distinguish between the different types I started to use terms like 'Mottoware' & 'Crestware' (already used for pottery), and so on. I'm quite flexible though so am happy to listen to any advice. I think they do need categorising somehow.
* The best bet would be Pilkingtons, but they remain rather unco-operative and I have heard a rumour that their archives (of Chance) are not really "accessable"... I think I know the reason but would prefer not to say here.
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David, the top one (2-tier) looks like roses but it could be a red rose and a white poppy - it's not too easy to suss the white one from the pics.
Thanks. Here's a link to a higher res. image. (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-1831)
EDIT: Because the hole went slap-bang through the pattern, I have edited the photo to recreate it.
The bottom one are autumn flowers/fruits... dahlias/chrysanthemums, michaelmas daisies and blackberries.
Hmm, they didn't do an 'Autumn' range :wink:
The pattern was made between 1970 and 1981 (Chance) and I don't have anywhere else this can go except 'Bouquet'. Rather strange to have fruits in a bouquet, but perhaps the term was used rather loosely?
The Bouquet 'pattern' was actually a collection of floral patterns that could be mixed and were used rather arbitarily, but there should be four distinct individual patterns.
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Fabulous blue intaglio David :P Would look great next to Emmi's intaglio. Some crazy prices in your other topic thread :?
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Fabulous blue intaglio David :P Would look great next to Emmi's intaglio. Some crazy prices in your other topic thread :?
The Blue intaglio looks far better in the flesh, so to speak, and the photo doesn't do it justice, but I hadn't thought about a display of two different types – yes, it would look good!
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Interesting find! :shock: I picked up a what I thought was one of the non-Chance Swirl bowls today in a plain but labelled box hoping it would give us a clue to the Twist pattern. I've just looked at it properly!
It is a Swirl but the shape and the size are the same as the zig-zag bowl I posted at the top of page 29, i.e. alternate square and round flutes. And the box is just plain white card with a cut out open top (a bit like those Christmas decoration boxes but without the cellophane) and a small sticker with a stock-type code and a thistle and Ceramia Parties. I would say bowl and box belong together - they fit too well.
Anyone heard of Ceramia Parties?
Too late now for pics so it will have to wait till after my hols - Cornwall here we come
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Hi,
Sorry if I've missed this one somewhere along the line, but I was just looking for the pattern name of this intaglio cut boat dish. I can't find any mention of it on the Chance site or in this thread, unless I've missed it?
I thought it may be Cut Pearl, but it doesn't look the same to me. I'm pretty certain it's Chance, and the dimensions are the same as those given for the boat dish on the site (6 x 4.5 x 1.75"), but I could be quite easily corrected.
I hope I get the pictures right, I've just registered on the Glass Gallery and think I've uploaded pictures to the wrong place! :oops: :?
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2047
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2046
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2045
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2044
Thanks,
Pete.
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Hi Pkay,
No problem, you have uploaded them in the wrong section but not a big deal as we can view them here along with Frank's photos of the Amsterdam riots, which I hadn't seen before! Anyway, welcome to the GMB!
This one is a bit of an enigma. It does indeed look like Cut Pearl, but there are certain elements about the pattern that don't quite fit. In fact, a dish just like this has been placed on this board before, I think by Anne E.B., but she should be able to confirm this – perhaps you bought it from her?
It is one piece I would need to compare with other Chance intaglio, although even this might not be conclusive. However, if you start a new topic on the main forum to debate intaglio in general, someone might recognise it.
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Just saw the last of this set in the Queries gallery:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2044
The cutting does look quite like Cut Pearl, although this isn't conclusive. Another point: what other manufacturer used a white flashing?
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David - it is the one I submitted previously. It was sold a couple of year's back :? I remember it being a lovely quality piece.
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Thanks, Anne. Thought I'd got it right! :wink:
Hmm, I wonder if it's the same one? How long have you had this Pete, and where did you buy it?
"It's coming home, it's coming home..." :lol:
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Hi David & Anne E.B.,
Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately I can't even remember buying this piece, let alone where it came from. I've been sorting through many boxes of glass just lately, which have been packed away for a year or so due to moving house. I've found quite a few pieces that I don't remember buying, so I guess it's possible that it could be the same one sold by Anne E.B.
It certainly feels like a piece of Chance, and I've had other intaglio pieces in the past, but I can only compare them with this piece from memory at the moment, which obviously isn't brilliant seeing as I can't even remember buying it. :?
To be honest, I was halfway through writing the auction description for the bowl, and only realised that it may be an unusual piece when I couldn't find a pattern name to put in the listing.
As for who else has used white flashing, I can't immediately think of any particular manufacturer at the moment.
If you would like any more pictures just let me know, and I will ask in a new thread if anybody can shed any light on other possible makers in the meantime.
Anne,
Thanks for moving the pictures to the correct place, I'm sorry about that, I'm just a complete computer numpty I'm afraid! :oops: I suddenly found myself in the middle of a riot and knew something must have gone wrong somewhere. :shock:
Thanks for your help,
Pete.
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Hi Pete,
As you can see from my web site we are attempting to catalogue all Fiestaware patterns, but also intaglio and pressed glass. I'm also writing a book on the subject, so any photos you have in high resolution* would be most welcome.
Feel free to mail them to me direct. Two would be fine: one of the dish overall and that close-up is especially good.
Are you listing this on eBay? Do let me know if you are! :)
* High resolution = 1600x1200 pixels (2.0 megapixels) if possible.
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Hi David,
I will get a couple of pictures to you as soon as possible. My camera has options for 1,3 or 6 megapixels. Would you prefer the largest or is 3 megapixels quite enough?
I was listing the dish on ebay, but from what has been said, do you think I'm safe to describe it as being Chance glass? I don't want to mislead anybody. If your happy that it is a Chance piece, I am happy to list it as such. My personnal opinion is that it 'is' Chance glass, but I'm not even an avid collector of Chance, never mind an expert on the matter.
If you let me know about the prefered photo size, I'll get them done asap.
Thanks again,
Pete.
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Hi David,
I will get a couple of pictures to you as soon as possible. My camera has options for 1,3 or 6 megapixels. Would you prefer the largest or is 3 megapixels quite enough?
Pete, 3 Mp is more than enough, thanks! One point: my ISP (for whatever reason) only allows single mails no larger than 5MB, although you can send hundreds of consecutive mails at 4.99MB - daft I know... :roll:
I was listing the dish on ebay, but from what has been said, do you think I'm safe to describe it as being Chance glass? I don't want to mislead anybody. If your happy that it is a Chance piece, I am happy to list it as such. My personnal opinion is that it 'is' Chance glass, but I'm not even an avid collector of Chance, never mind an expert on the matter.
I'm not 100% confident, so I would play safe and say it could be Chance. Best to be safe than sorry. But do mention the possible link to Cut Pearl and the similarities 8)
Sadly, I reckon it'll be out of my price range, but I'll be fascinated to see what it actually fetches!
We also have a Glass Marketplace forum (see home page) where you can alert people about any item you're selling through eBay.
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Golden Lagoon finally tracked down: see this thread
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,5714.0.html
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Hello, I think I might have found a new shape. It's a Swirl pattern, boat-shaped bowl. It has pointed ends, is 11" tip to tip, 7.75" wide, nearly 3" tall at the tips, and 1.25" tall at the lowest bits, which are at the sides in the middle.
(Fractions of inches are decimal - my keyboard won't do proper fractions.)
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Hello, I think I might have found a new shape.
Nope, I've got that one! It's registered in the 'Dishes & Bowls' shape page. This was officially called a 'Bread Basket' incidentally.
There's also a smaller version: 6 x 4½, 1¾ deep
To do fractions, hold down the 'ALT' key, then type:
0188 for ¼ ...or
0189 for ½ ...or
0190 for ¾
Release the 'Alt' key and the fraction should magically appear!
Thanks anyway, Sue :)
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Have now photographed Swirl and his cousin Zig Zag. Swirl is fractionally deeper, but otherwise the same. Click to enlarge
(http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0397.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0397.jpg)(http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0398.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0398.jpg)
I have also bought :shock: a sandwich set in white Night Sky in lovely condition 9.75 round plate plus six 6.25 inch small plates, so there's another to be added to the small size for the website
(http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0399.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0399.jpg)
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Hi Christine,
Some interesting finds. But I don't believe the 'Swirl' is by Chance, by chance. Firstly, the radiated lines are in the opposite direction and secondly the gilt rim overlaps (3mm?), which I believe Chance never did apart from a very few exceptions (the Giraffe Carafe being one). I have seen similar gilt rims on what I believe is Sherdley's Twist pattern, so suspect it could be by them. (or you could flog it as a piece of "unique Swirl" of course :twisted: )
But the Night Sky plates are excllent and an excellent find. Very unusual to find a full sandwich set of 7. Well done! :D
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Interesting as the edge shaping is the same on both Christine's plates so we may be able to assume that if the swirlie one is Sherdley then the other one is as well. Has anyone researched Sherdley Glass do we know?
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Anne: not that I know of. The other possibility is Unionglas in Bavaria — remember Max's dish with the boar in the centre?
However, because Christine is in Warrington, I'm pretty sure this is going to be local fare.
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Well-spotted on the direction of swirling David, I'm hopeless on the visual details! However, the other Twist we've found has a solid spot, which is why I thought this was Swirl not Twist. Whatever it is, it appears to have been made/packaged for party plan selling by Ceramia Parties - but I've never heard of them and can find no reference to them
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There is also a 'Swirl' made by Unionglas in Bavaria, where the spokes go in the opposite direction, except the 'hole' is much larger. Max has a dish featuring a boar in the central hole and the boar does figure in this region's heritage.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I'd say :)
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New thread started to investigate differences in Swirl patterns from Chance, and comparisons to other maker's imitations:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,5804.0.html
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Two 'new' finds this morning.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/misc867.jpg
Variation on a filigree pattern theme? 13¼" x 6¼" - slightly rounded corners - gilt edge.
End detail http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/misc883.jpg
Centre detail http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/misc882.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/misc866.jpg
Dahlia 13¼" x 6¼" - slightly rounded corners.
Not the best of pics. with a curious reflection :roll: Will replace with better ones if necessary :P
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Thanks Anne!
A variation in the sense that each patter nwas adapted for each shape, so can sometimes look slightly different. Seems the Dahlia pattern was fairly popular as it keeps springing up here and there.
But I hadn't noted either of these patterns on the rounded rectangular shape before :)
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David,
Here's some more Calypto drink ware - some shot glasses, approx 6.5cm high.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2222
Some of the gold's worn off, but after 22 charity shops that pound was really burning a hole in my pocket!
robbo
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Thanks, Robbo. BTW, did you realise how much the Calypto Giraffe carafes were fetching on eBay? They have been fetching over £30 :shock: :)
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Robbo,
Just looked at your Tableware Gallery and noticed this item:
:shock: click to zoom :shock:
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10019/thumb_chance_gold.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-866)
I think I must have initially IDed this as Regency Gold? I'll still stand by that, but I noticed the style of pattern is quite different: the gilt areas are much thicker. Again, I suppose Chance adapted this to suit the size of dish. Wouldn't mind a close-up of that, if possible.
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Thanks, Robbo. BTW, did you realise how much the Calypto Giraffe carafes were fetching on eBay? They have been fetching over £30 :shock: :)
I've got two now! The gold on the most recent one is much better than the first one I bought. Thou' me thinks I leave the auctioning until after the World Cup! LOL I'm sure there will be some bargains to pick up during the England games.
Just looked at your Tableware Gallery and noticed this item:
:shock: click to zoom :shock:
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10019/thumb_chance_gold.jpg)
I think I must have initially IDed this as Regency Gold? I'll still stand by that, but I noticed the style of pattern is quite different: the gilt areas are much thicker. Again, I suppose Chance adapted this to suit the size of dish. Wouldn't mind a close-up of that, if possible
David, any particular area that you'd like a detail? Remember - all that glitters... :lol: :lol:
robbo
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I got a Chance glass butterfly ashtray in mint condition. It's never been out of it's box and is lovely. :D
Will it help with the cataloguing David?
The bottom of it is frosted with a clear edging.
(http://www.graphix4you.com/paperweights/Chance-butterfly/1.jpg)
(http://www.graphix4you.com/paperweights/Chance-butterfly/2.jpg)
(http://www.graphix4you.com/paperweights/Chance-butterfly/3.jpg)
(http://www.graphix4you.com/paperweights/Chance-butterfly/4.jpg)
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David
I have placed some new photos in my Chance Bros album you might like to take a look, not sure if they are Chance. Rose patern and Grass
Many thanks for a wonderful topic I look in quite often to see what is new.
I have seen here in NZ a Chance like glass with a label on for NZ with pictorial country views ( Constable like) also one with a label made in Japan, would this be of any interest, as I can look somemore and may be a photo.
Looking forward to the Book.
Tony H in NZ
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I was just browsing PKay's super glass album and found another of those peculiar twist pattern ones there... have you seen it David? The pattern is red!
http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/pkay6/?action=view¤t=Chance_Glass_Triangle_Swirl_Bowl_Re.jpg
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Hmm this Chance disease seems to be spreading. Simone's got it now!
This damned thread! :twisted: :wink: I even found myself looking at a clear glass plate with transfers of blossom on in a charity shop yesterday, and thinking, "Hmmm. I wonder if that's Chance? I wonder if David's got a picture of that one? Perhaps I should get it, just in case!" And I hate the stuff! :shock: :roll: :oops:
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That is the thrill of research, you cannot expect to like everything but. as you strive to cover all production the unfolding story can become more important than the aesthetics of a single piece. I am not a great fan of this stuff but I do find a few pieces very attractive, it mostly leaves me cold. But the story that is unfolding is a fascinating one that is bringing a lot of aspects of more modern glass production under the spotlight.
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Heck, you go out for the day and then find all this when you come back! :twisted:
Quickly, as I've got to zoom off in 20 mins and sing my little heart out. From the top:
Simone: Yes, thanks. I'm starting to catalogue these 'Seriesware' dishes, however they do appear to be thin on the ground. There are six in the [Edit: Butterfly] series, I believe and you can see them listed on that web page.
Tony: Many thanks - I'll get back later when I've more time to browse. Strange how you're finding these in NZ :)
Anne: Ooer - think what would happen if you put that on eBay as Chance. Wonder how much it'd fetch??? Anyway, a intriguing piece of glass, but it simply confirms that this design is definitely not Chance. Pity, as I quite like it... :cry:
Christine: Same design as my hexagonal plate as well. The disease is one of the friendly viral strains, but can be highly infectious.
Leni: :shock: Go on, buy it. You know you want to :twisted: :lol:
Frank: Congrats, you are the 500th poster. Quite appropriate really, I suppose. :D
But as you state, I am finding this research really fascinating. Very much like a book with no ending and pages keep getting added on. I'll freely admit I'm not a great fan of most of the floral patterns, but the graphic designs do have an incredible pull with quite a history.
But do you know the story of the Anemone pattern? All will be revealed in a new book that can be found in your local bookshop... :roll:
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If you need some professional editing when you've written this tome, get in touch. My editing's much better than my typing, and my grammar don't dangle no participles.
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OK Tony, I've looked at your new offerings and there's some very interesting stuff there!
1. The single yellow flower is actually Anemone, but they obviously just snipped this part out from the main transfer for such a small dish! First time I've seen an example like this.
2. The red rose is not one I've seen before. It suggests, with a gilt rim, that it is Chance. As it's fluted and th size appears to conform, then the number of flutes should be 12 for an 8"-8½" plate.
The pattern could therefore be the last Bouquet pattern, thereby dating it to around 1979: the only trouble is I thought I'd found that one... hmm, any thoughts anyone:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2235
3. The Grass pattern — I'll stick my neck out and say it isn't Chance. Not a pattern I know about and the size isn't Chance-like. However, I believe there was an Australian company called 'Ceratic' (check sp.) that also made 'bent glass' products, so it could be one of theirs. A very attractive design though! I have absolutely NO information on 'Ceratic' - apart from the fact they were probably operating in the 1980s - so would welcome any help here.
4. The small pin dish could be Chance, but they measured 4½" across the centre. I don't think it's seriesware, but more likely commercial 'Mottoware'
5. Sadly the Fragonard pattern I already had!
6. The turquoise 'Trippy' flower is called 'Canterbury'. I assume this is about 7" diameter with 10 flutes?
7. Can you confirm the number of lfutes on the Swirl plate - there should be 12 for this size.
Many thanks for sharing this small collection: quite strange to see these in New Zealand :P
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2. The red rose is not one I've seen before. It suggests, with a gilt rim, that it is Chance. As it's fluted and th size appears to conform, then the number of flutes should be 12 for an 8"-8½" plate.
The pattern could therefore be the last Bouquet pattern, thereby dating it to around 1979: the only trouble is I thought I'd found that one... hmm, any thoughts anyone:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2235
I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that three of the four patterns David has on ChanceGlass.net as Bouquet are correct and the fourth one - Tony's Clematis Plate (Bouquet type 3) is not part of the Bouquet series.
The reason for this is that I managed to find my last copy of the KH Bailey ceramic/glass transfers catalogue and this shows a transfer set of 5 designs - three of which are shown by David as Bouquet, and we have seen an example of one of the other 2 transfer designs on a Fiesta cakestand but did not know what it was called. The pattern (Bailey 6714) was called by Bailey Autumn rather than Bouquet.
4. The small pin dish could be Chance, but they measured 4½" across the centre. I don't think it's seriesware, but more likely commercial 'Mottoware'
This pattern is one of a series of named knights from open stock as well. I have a different knight from the same series on a ceramic plate. I'm pretty sure they were in the catalogue prior to the one I have managed to find. I'm still hunting for the earlier catalogue in all my piles of books.
5. Sadly the Fragonard pattern I already had!
This is the same as mine too Tony... I have two of the Fragonard patterns - I think there are 8 aren't there David? So we still need to track down the other 6 patterns.
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Anne,
Thanks for all this information. :D
I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that three of the four patterns David has on ChanceGlass.net as Bouquet are correct and the fourth one - Tony's Clematis Plate (Bouquet type 3) is not part of the Bouquet series.
I'm tending to think you're correct and ahve amended the web page, with a query where appropriate. I does mean we've probably nailed these two ranges!
Bouquet, and we have seen an example of one of the other 2 transfer designs on a Fiesta cakestand but did not know what it was called. The pattern (Bailey 6714) was called by Bailey Autumn rather than Bouquet.
One definitely has an Autumnal feel to it and has blackberries included: hardly "a bouquet", so I'm wondering if this is another pattern* and we're still missing a Bouquet pattern?
* I seem to remember alluding to an 'Autumn' pattern a while ago, but can't remember where this information originally came from.
This pattern is one of a series of named knights from open stock as well.
I wonder if this is part of a series then? I can't see it being promotional if it were a stock transfer.
This is the same as mine too Tony... I have two of the Fragonard patterns - I think there are 8 aren't there David? So we still need to track down the other 6 patterns.
I thought there were six in this series, but this should come to light eventually.
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I have seen here in NZ a Chance like glass with a label on for NZ with pictorial country views ( Constable like) also one with a label made in Japan, would this be of any interest, as I can look somemore and may be a photo.
Missed this, sorry:
Yes, any photos of other 'bent glass' products from around the world would be most welcome. This sometimes helps eliminate those patterns or shapes that can be very 'Chance-like', but are of interest in their own right.
The Japanese example may be from a company in Osaka but I've yet to find the name.
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One definitely has an Autumnal feel to it and has blackberries included: hardly "a bouquet", so I'm wondering if this is another pattern* and we're still missing a Bouquet pattern?
* I seem to remember alluding to an 'Autumn' pattern a while ago, but can't remember where this information originally came from.
I think it was me suggesting they were autumn items - in fact all four of the patterns we think are Bouquet are autumn flowers/fruit. As well as the bramble fruit one of them has acorns in it if you look, another has Michaelmas daisies and chrysanthemums which naturally flower in the autumn. I'll try and scan the catalogue page and send it to you. :)
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Always possible there's an Autumn range we know nothing about 8) But I know very little about flowers, so I'll be guided by this.
I've just unearthed a black & white photocopy of the Bouquet range. The first three are correct (current web number in brackets):
Rose/Acorns (1), Carnations (2), Poppy (3) and the last is undetermined but looks like poppies again (edit: or roses?), with a spiky flower of about the same size and some smaller 'daisy-like' flowers at the edge. These patterns are all shown on a white background (so later Chance).
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Yay! David, the one you have as ?? is the fifth pattern in the Bailey 6714 series. (note they are reversed in the catalogue):
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2254
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The only problem is that the 4th one on my web page is not shown in the photocopy, but is an actual example. Given that there are only four Bouquet examples shown, of which three are confirmed, where does this fifth one (from the Bailey catalogue) fit in? :?
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I was hoping you could tell me that! :wink:
Seriously, it's another puzzle that we need to solve. Add it to the list of questions for Monday?
Thinking aloud here... we've never seen an example of the 4th one on the picture you posted have we? I wonder if Chance decided to use the other design that we have seen instead of it?
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I have just bought a 9.75 inch Hedgerow 12-flute plate, would you like a piccy?
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One Hedgerow fluted Chance plate. Let me know if you need high-res ones emailing for anything. Click to enlarge
(http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0430_edited-1.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0430_edited-1.jpg)
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David,
I bought a cake stand today - white lace, twelve flutes, metal foot different to that on the one on the cake-stand page (this one, I suppose, more "neo-classical" in style). Would you like a photo?
robbo
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David,
Here they are:
Whole Thing (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2314)
Base (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2315)
Base a little worn, the pattern is alternating vine-leaves and bunches of grapes. Underneath it's green felt, complete with ground in cake crumbs :roll:.
robbo
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Thanks Robbo: really great pictures and I haven't seen that style before 8)
As it has a green felt base it won't be possible to see if there's a makers name stamped inside, but I suspect it's James Clarke & Sons.
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Finally... I have a full Glacier set comprising six dessert bowls and a fruit bowl. It even came with the original printed carton, although a little bent so I'd like to try and straighten this a little before photographing.
You can see the piccies on the Fiestaware > Patterns > Pictorial page
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David
I have placed photos of two more pieces of glass I found this week one is a small dish with a pattern of a spray of flowers in white outline (Graphic ?) and the other is Filegrana Handcrafted Glassware I mentioned these in my last reply. on the gold label there is a logo of a kiwi and the tiny print reads NEW ZEALAND MADE.
I would be interested in your thoughts on this one. Also it will stack perfectly in side a known Chance piece I have.
Tony H in NZ
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Hi Tony,
Some more puzzles from down under! :? :wink:
I suspect this originated from Unionglas in Bavaria under the 'Filigran' label and were rebadged 'Filegran' by the importer, which would explain the Kiwi logo. Why it states 'Made in NZ' is something of a mystery unless there is/was a bent glass producer in your country.
The scene does look more like an English one than Bavarian, although the maker could have used a stock item from the transfer suppliers.
The graphic floral plate is also probably from the Filigran range and does look similar to designs we have seen before. Finding this in NZ might very well support the theory that Unionglas imported there.
Following is a scan from the Filigran catalogue showing the variation of Swirl. Note the similarity of the fluted edges.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2329
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David
Here is a link to one of my pieces.
http://www.encill.abelalways.co.uk/chanceglass/photos/flora_pattern/q-rose.jpg
The Filegrana river scene and this one stack together like they are the same, could this have been decorated here in NZ as the New Zealand Made rules are quite strict. All though the label is not like any of the official ones.
Here is a web site all about New Zealand made http://www.buynz.org.nz/
Tony H in NZ
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David
Here is a link to one of my pieces.
Yes, I'm using this photo to query the pattern - it's at the top of the Floral page. Not one I've seen before, but could be a Fiesta Glass pattern. I assumed it was OK to use this?
The Filegrana river scene and this one stack together like they are the same, could this have been decorated here in NZ as the New Zealand Made rules are quite strict. All though the label is not like any of the official ones.
Unless it referred to the label being made in NZ? :D But with them stacking so readily this does suggest the same mould/manufacturer.
But it is possible for a company based there to have made 'bent glass' products. They could have purchased glass blanks and transfers from outside suppliers and then 'slumped' the glass and fixed the transfers in a furnace.
Here is a web site all about New Zealand made http://www.buynz.org.nz/
Many thanks, I note the logo is quite similar.
I'd welcome anyone else's comments.
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My latest purchase :shock: :oops:
A Summer Melody cake stand - no good for large muffins though :? 7 inch (18 cm) top and 8.25 inch (21 cm) bottom
(http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0464.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0464.jpg)
Click to enlarge
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David
I bought this today with you in mind - you were well worth 50p, I thought. :wink: :lol:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2364
It's a Hellenic long tray with three indentations, there's a couple of very small slivers missing unfortunately. I tried Searching to see if you'd had this tray already, but with 36 pages to search through, I gave up!
The photo is bad because it's my mini-digital camera, I can take a better one tomorrow if you're interested. :)
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Nice find, Max! There's one point about the Hellenic pattern (two varieties BTW): you don't see it very often. Not many people have woken up to this fact and you'll rarely see examples on eBay, but Tony Cartwright did tell me recently it was not a very popular pattern, so it wouldn't have lasted long.
The other variety effectively reversed the vine and grapes pattern to the outer rim and used just two(?) silhouetted Greek figures in the centre. Personally I prefer the green version myself.
I have a suspicion there's also a blue version of this style, but I only remember seeing this when I wasn't really looking for Chance glass particularly, so it might have been me dreaming :roll: :wink:
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David - what do you think about this 2½" square piece? Just this sec. bought it whilst popping to corner shop can you believe!? A neighbour was having a garage sale, and well, I couldn't resist - and there it was. :roll:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/misc971.jpg
The transfer is on the underside. I would imagine it to be written in Danish. I've had porcelain Langelinie plates in the past but this is the first glass one I've seen.
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Hi Anne,
It's not a known Chance shape, but that doesn't mean it wasn't by them.
The sculpture is a well-known icon of Denmark, but I can't think what it's called - also has a humorous nickname * Can anyone jog my memory?
* A bit like Birmingham's own sculpture of a nude in a fountain righout outside the Town Hall, which is nicknamed "Floozy in a Jacuzzi" :lol:
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Hi Christine,
Yes, I did notice we were wafting close to the breeze! :D
I have noted a total of 18 different vintage cars depicted on Chance trays. These came in three different sets of six in each — see the Seriesware web page.
Currently I don't have any photos of these, so it would be welcome - don't spend loads of dosh on it though! I won't be trying to realise every single example, so a decent example from each should suffice.
Many thanks.
Still thinking about your odd dish Anne, but there is a set of 3" (7.5cm) square dishes I have in the Lace pattern :!: Forgot about these, although the measurement is a gnat's nadger over 3" though. Of course, Chance could have created any size glass within reason, but I'd have thought it would have been a stock size.
[Addendum: the corners on this dish are quite round, so this would indicate a later (post-1970) dish if it were Chance]
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I rather think the vintage cars were from the open stock transfers - there are several sets in the catalogue.
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The car won't be much. It's in a cheap charity shop.
Today, I saw a Filigran shaped plate, i.e., alternate round and square flutes, made for the Glasgow Transport Musuem. I would have expected that to have been made in the UK!
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I can send it to you if you like :P
That's so kind of you Anne – I owe you tons!
Christine: if the plate is a Filigran shape that would be most unusual. But as you're finding plenty of 'Swirl-ish' plates and dishes in your area I'm pretty sure these would have originated from Sherdley. You don't fancy writing a book on the company do you?! :D At least it would eliminate a lot of the imposters :shock: :wink:
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Ooh no. I only edit. Sherdley sounds more likely than Filgran for a fairly limited sale UK souvenir with probably one outlet!. It wouldn't have been a super cheap item either because it ws about 8 inches across.
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One series ware Austin. Click to enlarge
(http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0518.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0518.jpg)
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Is it marked Chance? Pirelli decorated dishes/trays of that shape to.
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Is it marked Chance? Pirelli decorated dishes/trays of that shape to.
Think it is Chance, Frank. I'll check the literature and get back, but there were Austin (Shape 10: 4½" x 3½" or 11.5 x 9) and a 'Baby' Austin (Shape 47: 4½" square) known patterns.
EDIT: Only difference may the the use of white lettering, as opposed to black.
Frank: do you have records of the Pirelli designs? I'm coming across some that I don't think are known as Chance: just got a complete set of four 'Bullfighter' dishes.
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I think I have vintage cars with Pirelli labels, but they are packed away at the moment. Will be coming out for photographing at some point... lots to do.
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No label. Oh er! Have looked again closer. The white transfer is on the back, the car is on the front! The edge gilding and thickness look like Chance
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Two NOT CHANCEs
Update from Sue, concerning the plate with the yellow & red Oriental pattern: she has seen one with a Filigranglas label, so definitely made by Unionglas in Germany! :)
Anne B: regarding your mermaid dish, this may have originated from Denmark. The reason is because the decorating of slumped glassware was independantly developed by a Danish company in the early 1950s, so this might make sense considering the subject matter!
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That would make sense David - originating from Denmark. Seen lots of ceramic plates with the same image - probably aimed at the tourist trade but this is the first glass version I've come across :P
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New items posted on the site - all links available to the respective pages from the homepage. All the other items are pressed glass apart from this oddity:
Swirl 'Handkerchief' bowl! Well, a sugar bowl with pinched sides... :roll:
Most unusual - whether this was a one-off end-of-day or a test piece I have no idea.
Photos courtesy of Mark Bird at Earlybirds.
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David I bought a very nice Fiesta plate with label on Sunday. It has bunny rabbits on it and I could not find a pic on the chanceglass web site. Would you like a pic?
Pat
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ok I'll try and do it tomorrow or if not next day.
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Well here it is David, hope this works never put a pic on the page before! Aren't they cuties!! But not my cup of tea to keep so it will be sold on.
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10023/thumb_Pats_Glass_035.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2665)
Can't do it, maybe someone can do it for me.
Pat
Pat, use the edit button to see how it is done. Moderator.
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Thanks for the photo :)
Just goes to show how diverse Fiesta Glass was in developing new patterns and there must be many more we still have to see! But I strongly suspect this is a stock pattern from Baileys.
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I checked my Bailey's catalogue and it's not in there David. It could be an earlier/later pattrern of course. :roll:
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David - This looks like a green Aqualux Small Flemish 'boat' shape dish edged with gilt 5¾" x 4½" x 1½" high at each end.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/guinness005.jpg
Sorry about size of image. Can reduce if necessary.
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Another two for the files - a Blossom 13-in three-part server
(http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0602.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0602.jpg)
And best of all :D :D :shock: a Cut Pearl covered dish in super condition
(http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0598.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0598.jpg) (http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0599.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0599.jpg)
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Wow, some great finds Christine! :D :envy!:
The Cut Pearl dish I had seen in early adverts from Chance, and I also have this in Calypto, but I did wonder whether any still existed.
The Blossom is a fairly known pattern, but the 3-part server is not a common shape and the first I've seen like this.
Well done!
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