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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on April 05, 2011, 07:56:05 PM
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looking at pic. No. 1 you don't see the problem - but then, oh, what a shame :cry: - not that I cud have afforded it had the damage not been there. The charity shop knew what they had, and I did pay a lot of money despite the damage - but just couldn't come home without it. My wife is still not talking to me.
You can see the signature on the base rim - plus the No., and I've been told it dates to something like the mid 1920's, - although don't see a picture of it in my one and only book on Lalique - the pattern looks like thistles, I think - grateful if anyone is able to let me know the correct name. I'm assuming it's opalescent, and believe it is a pressed piece, as you can see four mould marks on the neck.
Since I obviously need to dis-assemble the three pieces (and re-construct using modern clear glue) - what is the best way to go about dissolving the original glue which I am thinking is non water based. Do I need a solvent of some description, and if so, which is best - or is there another way to go about the job. Height is about 213mm. Undamaged, this is a substantially valuable piece, so I need to take time and have patience with the repair, and look forward to any suggestions. Thanks for looking. :)
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Well spotted Paul,I'd have snapped it up also,can't find it in my book but it says that type of mark dates from 1914 onwards :mrgreen: :mrgreen: ;D,
once you've got the bad glue off there are good glass glues that are 'invisible' when dry,
Keith.
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What a lovely Lalique piece Paul, and well worth the trouble it will take to effect a good repair. Please will you let us see it when it is fixed so we can admire your handywork please?
I think you are right about it being thistles.... or could be cardoons!!
Rosie.
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Great find, even with the damage. Pattern is 'Domremy', no. 979, designed c. 1926. To remove the old glue you might have to use acetone, though some glues will come off with meths. Unless you know what glue was originally used, it comes down to trial and error as to what's best to get rid of it. The worst case scenario is if it's been stuck with an epoxy resin as that can be a nightmare to get rid of...
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Just crossed with you Mosquito!!!
Thought you might like to look at the Millers Guide page Paul.
http://www.millersantiquesguide.com/items/127462/early-20th-century-domremy/
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sincere thanks to all, and will come back to your helpful replies tomorrow when I will have more time. cheers. :)
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Try nail varnish remover Paul, if nothing else works maybe paintstripper would be worth a go but you will need to wear rubber gloves.
John
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Paul, I used your email icon to send you an email but it did not work......
Send me an email from my icon and I can make a suggestion for your repair.....
Craig
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Paul, I would seriously consider getting someone like Basil Loveridge to deal with this lovely piece for you! I had a previously broken and badly repaired piece of glass, and Basil removed all the old yellow glue and repaired it virtually invisibly, even though tiny chips and slivers of glass were missing from the break. Since this vase is potentially quite valuable I would be tempted to give the removal of old glue and re-repair job to an expert!
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thanks again to all for your very helpful suggestions etc., also for the name and date of this particular pattern. :) I doubt that this will be a 'quick fix', but promise to post pics. of the repaired/restored vase when job is completed. John, can say that I look very good in yellow Marigold's ;D
Craig...don't know why your communication failed - however, I will send an email to you now, and thanks for offer of assistance.
Leni - I appreciatey your comments - although am presently still at the early stages of considering exactly which route to take i.e. d.i.y. or professional help. Are his details on the webb??
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:huh:
The "thistles" look much more like teasels to me, despite the Miller's Guide saying thistles too.
I think I'd go the professional route for repair if it were mine, I'd only want it for selling on - much as though I love opalescent glass, this doesn't say anything to me but "potential profit" >:D
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thanks Sue - I suspect my rather poor and hurried picture has not done justice to the botanical accuracy of the vase design :) Teasels (certainly English ones ;D) have a much more elongated flower head than thistles, which on this vase are shown quite globular. I don't sell my glass (or at least I haven't yet - but life is unpredictable) and tend to keep all the good pieces, and since I don't have any Lalique, then will be very keen to keep this one - nicely back-lit in a cabinet. Whilst I appreciate that this sort of opalescent material is not eveyone's cup of tea, the 'deco' period is my all time favourite era for art and design, so guess that does influence my decision. :) Think I'd throw out one or two other pieces before I chucked this one - just think of the soul in this vase - when it was made, the designer, etc.
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Definately Thistles Paul, and I would keep this one, it is be-oooooo-tiful and I am green with envy. :mrgreen:
Reair it, (yourself, if you covet the satisfaction of it being all your own work) keep it and love it.
Art Deco era is one of my favourites, in fact it was green art deco glass that started me on the 'glass-o-hollik' trail.
You will always glow when you see it in the back-lit cabinet.
I hope we will all get to see it when the job is done. :X:
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But thistles have flared out tufts at the top, Paul - (put the scotsman smilie upside down and you'll have a thistle shape.. :sm: ). The prickles on teasels are the same as the ones in this piece (I've just checked my vase of Spanish teasels, sadly, no leaves remain on them - they were picked and brought home over 45 years ago) and my garden thistles are not mature enough to check yet.
Botanicals aside - it's great you've got an "example" you like for your own pleasure. :thup:
(my "ultimate" bit of opalescent is a big, chunky-textured Barolac "forest" vase. Don't know the name of the design. Lalique just doesn't tend to float my boat.)
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Hi Sue, you have to enlarge the picture to see that the thistles do have wee tufty pieces at the top, but they are very stylised.....
I've just been reading a thread about the Barolac Forest vase on GMB...what a lovely piece. My biggest, nicest piece is a big oblong slant sided Barolac bowl called Butterflies. I love it. :)
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>:D
I shall put the lack of thistleiness down to Lalique's "artistic" license..... :P :wsh:
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Sue.....no sweetie - you're just not looking properly at the picture - there are indeed wee little hairy projections out of the top of the flower head - and anyway the leaves are quite different from teasel leaves. Apparently, the teasel is absent from the north of your country. Far too cold I shouldn't wonder :24: >:D :wsh:
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They (teasels) certainly managed to protest about travelling this far north - they brought their own bodyguard!
Mother had insisted Dad picked a whole load of them in Spain, they were sitting on top of all the high shelf bit over the engine at the very back of the VW dormobile we were travelling in. As we unloaded from the boat in Southampton, my ghastly wee brother shouted with glee, "Sue, there's a massive spider behind you!". Naturally, I didn't believe him, but looked anyway.
There it sat, almost on my shoulder, body the size of a ping-pong ball, brown with white spots, great long legs, black and white, like a zebra crossing.
Poor dad had to stop the VW, get out and grab the thing. Sadly he didn't think to preserve it to find out what it was - he did manage to squash it in tons of paper towel.
I spent the rest of the 500 mile journey sitting on a wooden box between the front seats, terrified it had had babies in the back. :ooh:
Anyway, we digress (sorry mods).