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Title: Could I really be so lucky? A Livio Seguso fish?
Post by: Anik R on April 06, 2011, 06:40:42 PM
Hello,

This pink and blue fish (approximately 13,5cm x 13cm) came in lot of glass animals which I won a few days ago...  The initials at the bottom look mighty similar to the initials on my Livio Seguso Gralglas polar bear... Could it really be?

Say it is so, please...  :hi:
Title: Re: Could I really be so lucky? A Livio Seguso fish?
Post by: dirk. on April 06, 2011, 07:13:19 PM
You´re lucky indeed!  :girlcheer: Hope it´s a little solace after the lost auction....  :)
(Seen a signed one before - it is Livio Seguso)
Title: Re: Could I really be so lucky? A Livio Seguso fish?
Post by: Anik R on April 06, 2011, 07:35:22 PM
Oh, that's WONDERFUL news!!!  I'm so, so, so happy  ;D...   Thank you, Dirk!  :kissy:

P.S.  I won the lot of 21 glass animals on Allegro for 36 PLN... this fish was in it. :sm:
P.P.S.  The loss of the Wiedmann piece is still a sore spot... sigh... just a few zloty more and it would have been mine.
Title: Re: Could I really be so lucky? A Livio Seguso fish?
Post by: rosieposie on April 06, 2011, 09:35:53 PM
Oh Anik!!  You lucky girl....I thought that was a nice menagerie!!! Yay!!  :sun: :dance:
Title: Re: Could I really be so lucky? A Livio Seguso fish?
Post by: dirk. on April 07, 2011, 04:37:43 AM
Just had a look at the Gralglas catalogues on the Cd. It´s pattern BS 77 from their 1978 catalogue
and comes in three sizes 13, 17 and 22 cm.  :)
Title: Re: Could I really be so lucky? A Livio Seguso fish?
Post by: Anik R on April 07, 2011, 05:53:24 AM
Oooooo... THANK YOU, Dirk!

My husband put the Gralglas CD on a virtual drive for me, but I don't know (or remember) how to make it work...  (http://www.sympato.ch/smileys/Madpc.gif)

Ah, technology...


P.S. Rosie, thank you for the kind words! 
Title: Re: Could I really be so lucky? A Livio Seguso fish?
Post by: TxSilver on April 07, 2011, 02:56:38 PM
Dirk & Anik, do you know where we can buy the Gral catalogs on CD. I know that Tami and me both would love to have one. We've been trying to figure out which Livio Seguso designs were made for which companies. I thought maybe LS used the initials only on Gral Glas, but then I found initials on a piece with a Seguso label, and I found a fully signed piece with a Gral label. Catalogs would really help us sort out what might have been made for Gral. (Of course, he may have made the same design for different companies. Hard to know with so little information available on him.)
Title: Re: Could I really be so lucky? A Livio Seguso fish?
Post by: Anik R on April 07, 2011, 03:50:22 PM
Hi Anita,

The Gralglas CD comes with Helmut Ricke's Gralglas: Deutsches Design 1930-1981, ISBN: 9783422070134.
Dirk can tell you more about what can be found on the CD -- I still haven't been able to view mine.  Terribly upsetting...

 :hi:

P.S.  The Gralglas book is very nice, and quite rich in photographs of glass and designs.
Title: Re: Could I really be so lucky? A Livio Seguso fish?
Post by: tam bam on April 07, 2011, 04:21:50 PM
LUCKY YOU, Anik!!!!!!!!!  I love the colors of the fish. :sm:  For sure that is Livio Seguso's signature.  I have one Gral piece and it is a seal made of smoke glass by Seguso.  Your signature looks just like the one on mine.  I too would also love to know where I can find the CD catalog. 

tam bam
Title: Re: Could I really be so lucky? A Livio Seguso fish?
Post by: TxSilver on April 07, 2011, 04:59:51 PM
Thanks, Anik. I looked for the book and found a lot in Europe. I didn't find any copies in the US. I am going to contemplate for a while on how much I can afford to pay for the LS information and keep searching. It looks like a good book.
Title: Re: Could I really be so lucky? A Livio Seguso fish?
Post by: dirk. on April 07, 2011, 05:40:04 PM
Hi Anita and tam tam,

there are several price lists on the CD, which comes with the book. The one from 1978 gives a long list
of glass sculptures / animals; only the first six of this list still appear in the 1981 list:

1981 - a penguin, a pair of birds (we´ve had them in a thread some time ago), a striped fish (smoke with white),
   a seagull, a bull, another fish (like Anik´s)

1978 also - a sailing boat, an elephant, a dove, another bull, an owl, a hen, a turtle, a cat, an antilope, a seal,
   a polar bear (like Anik´s), two different sparrows and a hawfinch.

This list however isn´t comprehensive and it doesn´t attribute the animals to a specific designer. The book shows
two of the animals attributed to Helmut Schäffenacker: the owl and one of the elephants. I´m quite confident from
the style and grade of abstraction, that at least one of the bulls is one of his designs, too. And the list doesn´t
show some of Livio Seguso´s work like the mother and child sculpture. Since Livio Seguso executed some of
Schäffenacker´s designs I´m not sure how they are signed either... So - like almost always with glass there´s
still enough room for uncertainty and need for further research left...  ;)
Title: Re: Could I really be so lucky? A Livio Seguso fish?
Post by: rocco on July 12, 2013, 12:51:32 PM
Found me one, too :D
Quite chunky weighing over 2 kg at 17 cm height.
Unusual colourway of Neodymium pink and amber instead of blue.

It is not signed, but as the size fits with the Gralglas price list, I am quite positive it is rather German than Murano production...

Michael
Title: Re: Could I really be so lucky? A Livio Seguso fish?
Post by: TxSilver on July 12, 2013, 02:02:08 PM
There is a new Livio Seguso for Gralglas section at the Murano Zoo -- https://sites.google.com/site/muranozoo/livio-seguso-animals-for-gralglas-of-germany. Michael, your fish looks like the one on the second page -- same colors and shape. Horst told me there was a fish that was larger than the one he showed. Yours might be the larger version. I don't know what the dimensions of the larger fish are.
Title: Re: Could I really be so lucky? A Livio Seguso fish?
Post by: rocco on July 12, 2013, 05:19:15 PM
Thank you very much, Anita!

The Gralglas price list from 1978 gives 3 sizes for this pattern (Nr. BS 77): 13, 17 and 22 cm.
So mine seems to be the middle size version.

If you like to add the picture to your zoo please feel free to do so :)

Michael
Title: Re: Could I really be so lucky? A Livio Seguso fish?
Post by: TxSilver on July 12, 2013, 05:36:32 PM
Thanks, Michael. It is so similar to the other one that it would just be redundant. I'll wait until your next zoo entry. :)
Title: Re: Could I really be so lucky? A Livio Seguso fish?
Post by: rocco on July 12, 2013, 07:31:16 PM
That's true... So let us wait for the next zoo inhabitant ;)

Being a collector not too much into glass animals, I have become quite a regular contributor to your zoo :D

Michael
Title: Re: Could I really be so lucky? A Livio Seguso fish?
Post by: Anik R on July 13, 2013, 04:10:07 PM
Beautiful fish, Michael!  I deeply regret selling mine last year.  :'(
Title: Re: Could I really be so lucky? A Livio Seguso fish?
Post by: rocco on July 14, 2013, 11:24:29 AM
Thank you Anik, he is very nice (and I like the odd colour combo).
I hope that the money you got for your fish was invested in an even nicer piece of glass ;)

Michael