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Title: Pressed Figural Bowl. Help with ID please.
Post by: meegs on May 06, 2011, 06:36:33 AM
Hello Everyone,
I was given this wonderful bowl and plinth for Mothers Day.
Pamela I have been on your fabulous site (but was having difficulty with images not downloading ) and have been using google but haven't come up with a match.
The plinth has a diamond shaped base and an oval top to fit the bowl. It is marked 0193Base 8 1/2 inches X 5 1/4 inches.
The bowl is 12 inches at its widest. The woman is in a sleeveless flowing gown and placed like a ships figurehead. In total the bowl is scalloped into 14 panels an acid finished with figurehead at either end and 6 graduated on either size.
Larger to smaller going away from the figure and small to large going toward the figure.
I couldn't see any numbers or marks on the bowl.
The weight of the bowl is 1.6 kg and the 2 pieces together are over 2kg.
I'm feeling very spoilt because the sheer weight of this piece would make postage prohibitive for me to purchase on e-bay and I see very few pieces of this sort of glass here.

Thanks for your help.
Meegs
Title: Re: Pressed Figural Bowl. Help with ID please.
Post by: oyemicanto on May 08, 2011, 06:33:48 PM
Hi
I myself have just sold the same bowl and plinth to a German buyer.
I put a post on here a good few weeks ago and I think Pamela said it is by Stolzle and she has it on her site on one of the pages.
Hope this has helped.
Best wishes Nige
Title: Re: Pressed Figural Bowl. Help with ID please.
Post by: meegs on May 08, 2011, 07:15:50 PM
Thank-you Nige,
I've found your post.
Cheers
meegs
Title: Re: Pressed Figural Bowl. Help with ID please.
Post by: pamela on May 08, 2011, 08:33:47 PM
 :hi:
Here is mine:  Stölzle?  (http://pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/03021.html)

A friend had seen it with a Stölzle label many moons ago, but still I've got no proof, I'm afraid.

Interesting is the matching plinth - please, will you make some more detailed photos of it for me?
Is there any chance regarding #0193? Bernard, please?  :hat:

Title: Re: Pressed Figural Bowl. Help with ID please.
Post by: meegs on May 09, 2011, 06:01:53 AM
Pamela,
The plinth number is most likely 2610, In my enthusiasm I must have read it upside down!
I shall take some more detailed photos of the plinth and e-mail them to you.
Thanks and regards,
Meegs
Title: Re: Pressed Figural Bowl. Help with ID please.
Post by: Bernard C on May 20, 2011, 05:01:41 AM
Meegs — Sowerby pattern numbers are sequential.   2610 is certainly a Sowerby pattern number.   The earliest Sowerby plinth number I can recall is 2487, which you will find on Pamela's website (http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de).   Sorry, I don't know how to provide a direct link, so click on Great Britain and scan down to Sowerby.   2487 is the large pink oval bowl on a four-footed plinth, quite different to later unfooted Sowerby plinths.   Click on the index thumbnail for the detailed page.   The third image is the plinth number, which is large, serifed and full of character.   A second set of numeric punches (different mouldmaker) was in use in later years, apparently mostly for replacement moulds.   These numerals are smaller, thinner and unserifed.   Many Sowerby plinths are unmarked.

Most Sowerby plinths are numbered 25XX.   The latest that spring to mind are the three circular plinths S2614, B2614 and 2616, so your 2610 was produced just before them.   I think I've seen both punch fonts used on 2616, so I would be interested in knowing which font is on your 2610.

So, Meegs, certainly one or the other of the Sowerby mouldmakers made your plinth mould, and the plinth was made in Sowerby's works.   So it looks as if your set was made by Sowerby.    I noticed Pamela's query against her Stölzle suggested attribution.   I've not knowingly seen the set before.   Please bear in mind other less likely possibilities, such as:
  • Plinth commissioned from Sowerby by the Continental manufacturer for British (and Commonwealth) sales, or
  • Plinth commissioned from Sowerby by the British agent of the Continental manufacturer for British (and Commonwealth) sales.

  • I've discounted the possibility of a later mix-and-match as I've never found two identical oval fittings.

    Finally, Glen's Sowerby CDs might shed more light on this set.

    I hope that helps.

    Bernard C.  8)
    Title: Re: Pressed Figural Bowl. Help with ID please.
    Post by: Bernard C on May 20, 2011, 09:04:39 AM
    ...   Another fine plinth made by Sowerby is the waisted plinth made to fit the large 8" 2614 "elephant" bowl.   ...

    Meegs — I would be grateful for a sideways profile of your plinth for stylistic comparison with B2614, the plinth for the large 8" 2614 "elephant" bowl.

    Bernard C.  8)
    Title: Re: Pressed Figural Bowl. Help with ID please.
    Post by: Tigerchips on May 20, 2011, 09:29:32 AM
    I've got one the same only it's not frosted. I guess they had two versions of it.
    Title: Re: Pressed Figural Bowl. Help with ID please.
    Post by: pamela on May 20, 2011, 09:41:09 AM
    Bernard, thank you so much for all that information!

    Megan has already sent further photos directly to me for pavillon pages:

     2610 plinth  (http://pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/09720.html)

    To set a link to a certain item on my pages: right click on the respective .gif on front page, copy and paste the link  :t:



    Title: Re: Pressed Figural Bowl. Help with ID please.
    Post by: Bernard C on May 20, 2011, 10:36:05 AM
    ...   I would be grateful for a sideways profile of your plinth for stylistic comparison with B2614, the plinth for the large 8" 2614 "elephant" bowl.   ...

    Meegs & Pamela — Great photographs, but no similarity in design style to B2614 or any other Sowerby plinth I know.   First mouldmaker.   Isn't the number 2610 beautiful!

    Here (http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/08315.html)'s the link to Pamela's 2487, done properly now thanks to Pamela's instructions.

    Bernard C.  8)
    Title: Re: Pressed Figural Bowl. Help with ID please.
    Post by: meegs on May 21, 2011, 04:22:18 AM
    Thank-you Bernard and Pamela for all your help and information.
    Bernard, I have sent you an e-mail so please let me know if there are any further measurements or photographs you would like.
    Cheers
    Meegs
    Title: Re: Pressed Figural Bowl. Help with ID please.
    Post by: Bernard C on May 21, 2011, 06:26:05 AM
    Meegs — No need, I've passed on all the information I can.

    Note that I would be happy to sell the set as Sowerby, as I can't find anything about the bowl that excludes Sowerby.   The possibility of a commissioned plinth from a Continental manufacturer is real but extremely small, as I've yet to find a proven example.   Hopefully one day we will find out what was happening in the 1930s with the apparently identical Bagley and Walther plinths, but at present that one remains something of a a mystery.

    It's now up to you or someone else to check Glen's Sowerby CDs.

    Bernard C.  8)
    Title: Re: Pressed Figural Bowl. Help with ID please.
    Post by: Bernard C on May 21, 2011, 08:58:13 AM
    Just one more item of information.   Sowerby special plinths usually have the same pattern number as what they gazunder.   But not always.   Sometimes it's the next number, most usually the one after.   But sometimes item and gazunder pattern numbers have a large gap.   So the most likely number for your bowl is 2610, then 2609, then everthing else.

    That's definitely all.

    Bernard C.  8)
    Title: Re: Pressed Figural Bowl. Help with ID please.
    Post by: oyemicanto on February 12, 2013, 06:59:21 PM
    Hello
    I received the same set in green from my friend in Holland yesterday with the same plinth.
    The green is definately what I would call a Sowerby green,just like the squirrels bowl or the Layde pot.
    Best wishes Nige
    Title: Re: Pressed Figural Bowl. Help with ID please.
    Post by: auliya on February 13, 2013, 01:50:36 PM
    A green one of these sold on ebay Australia a few days ago as well. No plinth though unfortunately.

    cheers
    Auliya
    Title: Re: Pressed Figural Bowl. Help with ID please.
    Post by: oyemicanto on February 13, 2013, 02:27:14 PM
    Hi there
    Yes I saw that one advertised as Walther.
    My lovely friend in Holland purchased this on my behalf and it came with the plinth.
    This one I have was selling in Holland.
    Nige
    Title: Re: Pressed Figural Bowl. Help with ID please.
    Post by: meegs on February 13, 2013, 06:53:49 PM
    There was also a green one for sale on New Zealand's trade-me site a few months ago (no plinth) but it failed to meet reserve and I haven't seen it listed since...
    Cheers
    meegs