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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Gary on June 09, 2011, 08:30:11 PM
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I bought this Monart DF shape bowl at my local auction house, what I would like to know, is this type of decoration known as "herringbone". The bottom half is clear glass and white graduating to pink and clear glass with gold aventurine. The coloured spirals start from the centre of the bowl and finish at the rim and criss cross each other.
Gary
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Basically yes, see here http://www.ysartglass.com/Moncat/PageStyles.htm but note the style was not named herringbone.
But you certainly got a delightful and very rare piece there.
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Thanks Frank for the quick reply and info. The bonus was it only cost £120 (hammer price), with a catalogue estimate of £200-£300. A small problem I have, is how to display it to it's best, as it is fairly large bowl at 33.5cm wide. Any ideas would be appreciated.
Gary
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As it is shown is the best way. Big bowls are a real beggar to display but with something as good as this you have a real centre point for your collection. There are few pieces you will ever find that can out 'look' such a piece and if you have a main display, try and set it central and with a LED white spotlight on it. I am amazed you got it so cheaply, at 300 it was a bargain, as I would put into the top ten of Monart I have seen, and I have seen a lot. Must have been a bad day for thye auctioneers and a great day for Gary! Well done laddie! :sc: :sc: :sc: :sc: :sc:
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Hi Gary,
nice piece, any chance of a picture of the pontil, colour looks very Perthshire Paperweights, i have bowls and vases in this colourway
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Hi Gary here is a photo of pontil, not a very good and is the best after many attempts. I will try and discribe it, the outer base rim is polished smooth the pontil mark is concaved smooth with none of the original pontil left. Not unlike the mark an ice cream scoop leaves in the ice cream.
I have N shaped vase with a post war label that is coloured in the same shade of white and pink.
Gary
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i take it thats its a concave pontil, i have a few P/Ps bowls same shape with stripes in same colourway, have to look them out and take pics to post, they are very similar, ive been away from Ysart glass for around 4 to 6 years, cant really remember now, seem to have got the bug again in the last few weeks, i used to be more into my lamps and unusal pieces but sold about 35 lamps over the last three years mostly private, ranging from tulips to mushrooms and pedestal lamps, still have around 20 i suppose that ive kept with a few rare examples, might look them out sometime and take some pics,
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Ah! PP that never occurred to me. Would certainly make senses of the unusual colours. I had no idea Chic Young used dip moulds. Could you count the number of lines in each direction please Gary. And Gary (Millarart) can you count any examples you have. Chances are this would prove the case as Chic would be unlikely to have had the original Monart dip moulds. Of course chance could result in the same number :thud:
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frank i will if i can find them, put most of my glass in storage as Adele was moaning about it taking over the house :ho:, all of it is bubble wrapped and boxed, didnt have the brains like i used to and write a list to stick to box like i used to back in my ysart buying days, and have so many boxes so might not be for a long time yet, think i have around 60 to 70 P/Ps pieces all different colourways per shape (no two same shape has same colourway), i will ask Keith as well :phew:
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...Adele was moaning about it taking over the house :ho:, ...
That is what it is supposed to do duuuh! :thud: :wsh:
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That is what it is supposed to do duuuh! :thud: :wsh:
oh but it did, at one point it took over ours , my mas and my grans :sc:
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I think Michael's given up a bit on the "putting it away" lark. He put up all my sitting room shelves - I got some glass on them, then, naturally, started filling up all the space created. He bought me crates and bubble-wrap (he'd thrown out all the stuff I'd collected), I packed them up, they were put away, and naturally, started filling up all the space this created........ nature hates a vacuum.
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There is 20 lines of the shorter vertical and 19 or 20 :-\ of the longer spiral lines.
Gary
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Probably both 20, would have used the same mould for both sets of lines. But on this case it is not useful to distinguish maker :-\
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,10140.0.html
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Hi Gary,
nice piece, any chance of a picture of the pontil, colour looks very Perthshire Paperweights, i have bowls and vases in this colourway
Ah! PP that never occurred to me. Would certainly make senses of the unusual colours. I had no idea Chic Young used dip moulds.
The link below takes you to an Ian Turner Monart piece which has the same decoration and colours as my DF bowl. Also I have Monart vase (post war) in the same colours.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Unusual-possibly-unique-Monart-Vase-/331058503880?pt=UK_Art_
Gary
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as soon as I saw the vase ian put on ebay the first thing that came to mind is Perthshire aswell, colourways mean nothing as I have several pieces of Perthshire that the colours look same as monart, im still sure that your bowl and the vase ian sold are Perthshire and not monart
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oh and even ian wasn't sure if his was Monart, and that's saying something coming from a guy who had thousands of pieces through his hands, am sticking to Perthshire, whaen I was in chic youngs house years ago doing the article that's on ysart glass site on chic young himself he had several pieces of Perthshire with applied feet and in colourways that I still havent came across myself yet all these years later, and I have nearing 100 pieces of Perthshire and my mate around half of that ,
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There must have been a mould capable of forming ribs at, or borrowed by Strathearn, if this helps in any way at all. ;D
I bought a large, clear yellow Strathearn bowl with optic ribbing a couple of years ago.
(I'm not even sure I didn't post it here, given optic ribbing is rather unusual in Ysart glass. ???)
I gave it to my brother, but I do have pics somewhere, so the ribs can be counted. I will look a pic out and come back with it later.
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yeah I seen your piece sue but yours was ribbed which you could feel these pieces are striped but not raised
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I've just found the pics - but it's hard to tell how many ribs.
Would it have been a similar mould used to add stripes as to make ribs?
The mould would add the shape - but further blowing and working could make it turn out quite different in a finished piece.
I'm just very curious about any info. with regard to any moulds used or not. It has always seemed odd to me that I've only ever seen this one bit of optic moulded Ysart glass - even if it is as late as Strathearn (my favourite Ysart glass)
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Would it have been a similar mould used to add stripes as to make ribs?
Not sure if it applies to all such usage but generally, I think the same mould would be used to produce either ribs or stripes. The difference being that, for stripes, the colours would be marvered to a a smooth finish rather than being left as obvious ribs.
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as soon as I saw the vase ian put on ebay the first thing that came to mind is Perthshire aswell, colourways mean nothing as I have several pieces of Perthshire that the colours look same as monart, im still sure that your bowl and the vase ian sold are Perthshire and not monart
I have just purchased an other Monart DF shape bowl/charger in the same colourway, but with a post war label.
The colours in this image are a truer representation of the colours compared to the previous image ,earlier in the post.
Gary
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very nice , good to have the label
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way to go Gary - nice one! :)
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very nice , good to have the label
Cheers the label helps to put a date on the bowl.way to go Gary - nice one! :)
Thanks Roberta, I am well pleased with it.
Gary