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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: wolkenreb on June 25, 2011, 05:15:38 PM

Title: Small dish ID or info please.
Post by: wolkenreb on June 25, 2011, 05:15:38 PM

Hi.  Does anyone recognise this little dish, or maybe point me in the right direction?  It is 14cm diameter.  It is quite thick and looks almost as if it is two layers pressed together (see edge detail in 3rd pic).

Many thanks.

Title: Re: Small dish ID or info please.
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 25, 2011, 05:25:48 PM

It might be American EAPG: early American pattern glass

Title: Re: Small dish ID or info please.
Post by: wolkenreb on June 25, 2011, 06:06:42 PM

Thanks Christine.  I've been having a look a various EAPG sites and images and I think I understand why it might be EAPG -- the hobnailing and stippling appears on plenty of the designs.  Is that why you think it could be EAPG?

Title: Re: Small dish ID or info please.
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 25, 2011, 06:09:42 PM

It has that look. It might also be worth looking through here http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/index2.html in the bowls and plates section, as this so-called lacy effect wasn't solely EAPG

Title: Re: Small dish ID or info please.
Post by: johnphilip on June 25, 2011, 06:45:24 PM

Try Sydenstricker     USA .

Title: Re: Small dish ID or info please.
Post by: wolkenreb on June 25, 2011, 07:25:19 PM

Well, have been having a good old rummage around EAPG sites and this dish is quite like some Lacy Sandwich Glass in design.  However, I can't find any reference to the addition of other colour to the clear glass.  There was a company called Hobbs Brockunier which did amber rims, but can't find similar designs.

Am now going to look into Press-glas (I love that site) and Sydenstricker.

Thanks!

Title: Re: Small dish ID or info please.
Post by: pamela on June 25, 2011, 08:58:39 PM

Hi Nancy, don't waste your time - I haven't got that pattern  :pb:

Looks nice and early...  :girlcheer:

Title: Re: Small dish ID or info please.
Post by: wolkenreb on June 26, 2011, 02:08:16 AM

Have had a good look at Sydenstricker and didn't see anything similar.  Their items appear to be more delicate than mine, which is quite thick and heavy.  But thanks - the more I look the more I learn (though not necessarily retain unfortunately . . .).

Title: Re: Small dish ID or info please.
Post by: wolkenreb on July 26, 2011, 06:20:02 PM

Sid Lethbridge of the ChatAboutDG forum and Glas Fax has given me some good info.  My little plate has a definite ring to it (when flicked), so Sid says that it's lead and suggests that it is "lacy glass" which pre-dates EAPG.  He suggests that I look at UK & European makers such as Molineaux, Webb and Baccarat (and any others).  Given this info, is there anyone here who has a special interest in such glass (1840s & 1850s lacy glass)?  I am of course doing my own delving but any extra info would be great, even if it's to tell me where NOT to bother looking.

Many thanks!
Nancy

Title: Re: Small dish ID or info please.
Post by: neilh on July 26, 2011, 06:42:05 PM

Have a look at this thread for a similar lacy plate

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,36448.0.html

Molineaux Webb did a number of stippled plates from about 1835 onwards but I would not necessarily attribute your plate to them. It could be a British Glass house or on the near continent, or possibly USA. Have a close look to see if there are any letters imprinted in the stipples. Some designs have what are thought to be the initials of Birmingham mold makers - WR, W or D

Title: Re: Small dish ID or info please.
Post by: wolkenreb on July 26, 2011, 07:12:03 PM

Thanks for the link Neilh.  There are definitely similarities between the designs on your plate and mine.  Like yours also, my plate is quite thick (about quarter of an inch/5mm).  Does the edge of your plate have a kind of indented line running all the way around?  (Mine does, which makes it look as if two plates have been pressed together to make one, but I don't know if that's possible/probable or just daft.)  No initials in the stippling or anywhere else that I can see, and I've had a good look.

I've done internet searches for lacy glass, molineaux lacy glass, webb lacy glass, baccarat lacy glass - not much comes up.  I haven't looked at Molineaux Webb though as I hadn't realised they were one and the same.  Pictures of Hartley & Richards 'amber stain' pieces popped up at one point, which was interesting as not many pieces seem to have had added colour.

Thanks for the info.  My quest has just begun and I've so many other things I should be doing . . .

Title: Re: Small dish ID or info please.
Post by: neilh on July 26, 2011, 10:12:29 PM

I don't see an idented line on my plate. I have two plates of my design and they were clearly made at different periods. I have seen my design in amber, blue and green. I have also seen another with a similar pattern but without the stipples which was much lighter, and possibly much later.

I discuss my Queen Victoria early plate here which you might find of interest:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,36446.msg198321.html#msg198321

There is a lot of info on early pressed glass plates in Siegmar Geiselberger's magazine. Some articles are available online.
Here's the archive page where you can see some plates featured on front covers.
http://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/archiv/archiv.htm

Title: Re: Small dish ID or info please.
Post by: wolkenreb on July 27, 2011, 09:58:06 AM

Thanks for the info and the links Neilh.  The initial in the stippling is tiny.  One more question - is the size of plate any indication of manufacturer?

Title: Re: Small dish ID or info please.
Post by: neilh on July 27, 2011, 04:22:50 PM

No, I don't believe so.

For example a Percival Vickers lacy plate circa 1860 was made in all sizes from about 3.5 inches up to 11 inches.