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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: antiquerose123 on June 26, 2011, 06:44:29 AM
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:hi: there:
Thought I would show off the 3 pieces of stained Glass I bought this weekend. I love them (http://www.gifanimations.com/GA/image/animations/love/heart-07.gif), and the price I bought all 3 for! :thup: ($ 50) As I have seen singles pieces being sold for over $100+ . So I think I got a good price here. Very heavy!
You gotta like the Coke one as I collect some odds and ends for that too (and the glass bottles) as it is Glass ;D too.
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I really like them Rose! :D
I should pass on what an expert on stained glass told me, that technically only the Cola one should be called 'Stained Glass'! The others are called 'Leaded Lights', because they are just coloured glass held together with 'lead' strips, none of the colour is stained or painted on. So really only windows or panels with pictures are 'Stained Glass'! (That's what he said, anyway :-\ )
But who cares! They are great! ;D Where are you going to put them?
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I really like them Rose! :D
I should pass on what an expert on stained glass told me, that technically only the Cola one should be called 'Stained Glass'! The others are called 'Leaded Lights', because they are just coloured glass held together with 'lead' strips, none of the colour is stained or painted on. So really only windows or panels with pictures are 'Stained Glass'! (That's what he said, anyway :-\ )
But who cares! They are great! ;D Where are you going to put them?
Thanks Leni:
Not sure yet. The two matched pieces did (came out of) a bathroom window at a guys house. So then are they still called 'Leaded lights' still, as they are not the type that hang on chains in a window? Mind you I have a *Giant* front window at my place, so they could sit in that area too.
These are not the (cheap) store (mass) produced types, but handmade ones. As this guy had bought this house, and did some renovations in it and took these windows out from the bathroom. He said the previous owner had made them and they are quite old (made about 30+ years ago)-- since he got the info from the seller when he bought the house.
So I am not sure what to call these -- or I wonder if the different area (location) might make a differance, as I have never heard the term here Leaded lights ever......I think use Canadians call all these types of thing stained glass windows (even the very, very old ones) 50+ years old.
yeah, I collect a few older Pop bottles (Coke) things too -- Glass is Glasss ;D
I have put them away in my closet, ATM now so they do not get broken..... :spls:
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Leni is correct in saying they are not stained glass which is a word which has been attributed to this type of work wrongly for many many years.
How ever Leni the Coke sign is also a Leaded light window. The glass used in this type of work is called coloured glass.
The stained name covers windows where the shape and colour of the glass has not been painstakingly cut and shaped and then held together with lead like a jigsaw puzzle but a single piece of glass of any colour which has the picture or shape literally painted on. A much cheaper and quicker method of making the window.
You see this allot in church windows which is where the Stained name comes from.
Mike www.abfabglass.co.uk
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How ever Leni the Coke sign is also a Leaded light window.
I see what you mean, but I didn't think it was a window, because I thought it wasn't really big enough to be :spls:
Also, I think you'll find that the word 'light' in this sense is actually the old word for window! So leaded light window is tautology, because you're actually saying "leaded window window" >:D :24:
The stained name covers windows where the shape and colour of the glass has not been painstakingly cut and shaped and then held together with lead like a jigsaw puzzle but a single piece of glass of any colour which has the picture or shape literally painted on. A much cheaper and quicker method of making the window.
You see this allot in church windows which is where the Stained name comes from.
But aren't 'picture' windows in churches generally called 'stained glass windows' because they are a combination of the two techniques you describe? The robes of angels etc. may be coloured glass, cut and pieced together with lead strips, but details such as faces etc. are painted - or 'stained' - onto the glass!
I learned this from a stained glass window expert, who informed me that my house - which he had originally presumed just had leaded lights, actually does have stained glass windows, because the details are painted (and then 'baked') onto the glass! Here's a picture of a bit of the detail of one. You can see that the sailor and the boat are painted on to the glass and the windows etc. are painted on to the house and barn.
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Small round glass lights are also found as portholes on ships and narrowboats. http://www.flickr.com/photos/roath_park_mark/234064734/ I used to know someone 20+ years ago who made these for canal boats in beautiful designs, but have forgotten his name now, and lost touch with him over the years. He was (then) the partner of the (then) ceramicist Hazel Faithfull (who is now doing something else too.) Patrick might know who I mean, as he gets around a bit on the waterways!
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I see what you mean, but I didn't think it was a window, because I thought it wasn't really big enough to be :spls:
Size isn't a criteria as to what they are called. The proper name no matter where they are fitted is "leaded lights" I apologise for including Light and Window together but did this as part of the description.
The picture of the cottage and the boat is a good example of where the two disciplines have crossed over and the term Stained Glass has been used and it has stuck. In the strictest of terms it should be called Leaded coloured stained glass. It is used widely on religious windows.
The finest example of this type of work came from Tiffany and if you just put into Google image "Tiffany coloured glass windows" you will be amazed.
Mike
Also, I think you'll find that the word 'light' in this sense is actually the old word for window! So leaded light window is tautology, because you're actually saying "leaded window window" >:D :24:
But aren't 'picture' windows in churches generally called 'stained glass windows' because they are a combination of the two techniques you describe? The robes of angels etc. may be coloured glass, cut and pieced together with lead strips, but details such as faces etc. are painted - or 'stained' - onto the glass!
I learned this from a stained glass window expert, who informed me that my house - which he had originally presumed just had leaded lights, actually does have stained glass windows, because the details are painted (and then 'baked') onto the glass! Here's a picture of a bit of the detail of one. You can see that the sailor and the boat are painted on to the glass and the windows etc. are painted on to the house and barn.
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But aren't 'picture' windows in churches generally called 'stained glass windows' because they are a combination of the two techniques you describe? The robes of angels etc. may be coloured glass, cut and pieced together with lead strips, but details such as faces etc. are painted - or 'stained' - onto the glass!
The term Stained Glass is just the shortening of the two disciplines and could have just as easily been named Coloured Glass, Leaded Coloured Glass or what they should strictly be called "Leaded coloured stained glass"
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Hi there:
Now I am more confused than ever :ho: :usd:
These are not painted glass, and are cut pieces of glass. You can see the lead joints and the soldering points. So I am not sure exactly what to call them, but you can see the lead between the pieces of glass.
So now I am confused, as the colors / design is not one painted on any of them. :huh: I have seen some newer (store type) ones, and these look more real and I think they might not be real old (maybe only 30 years old) -- but I think they were made piece by piece by a person.....maybe just a regular person as a Hobbyist ??
I dunno know :thud: :kissy:
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Hi Rosie.
Blame Leni for pulling me up over my grammer.
What you have are all Leaded Lights.
The green ones are commanly made for double glazed units and conservatory's.
Mike
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Okay Dokey -- leaded lights they shall be. :kissy:
I still think us Canadians call them stained glass windows here -- as I have never (ever, ever) heard the term leaded lights here.....but us Canadians are :ho:. Has to do with the cold winters ... :24: ;D
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Ah yes what ever happened to our language as it flew over the pond.
Most of the world call them Stained glass windows in the same way that most people go out to buy a new Hoover rather than a new Dyson or someother make.
Its just got wrongly labeled over the years.
Mike
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As to a practical use:-
We have antique leaded glass panels which sit along the base of the front windows of the house. They are very attractive indeed, from both inside and out - but they have the wonderful added advantage of making the windows impossible to see through, from the outside
:-X - without having to resort to net curtains (shudder).
>:D But I think I'd use your advertising one as target practice. I detest advertising - especially of this subject - though macdonalds would be worse, I suppose.
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Nice pieces in the windows also pleased to see you still have a decent stereo system with proper speakers and not these baked bean can sized things that make the music sound as though its in a tunnel.
Mike www.abfabglass.co.uk
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;D
We belong to the old school of; "If it ain't broken, it don't need fixed or replaced." Mike.
(and quite frequently we just go along with cobbling stuff together to get it to work. :ooh: )
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Theres nothing wrong with that. My son thinks I'm mad when I get things repaired but its the cheapest route.
I'm not a pain in the backside conservationist because I don't believe allot of their propaganda they put out but I do believe that repairing rather than throwing is the most planet friendly thing you can do.
Here endeth todays lesson.
Mike www.abfabglass.co.uk
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Nice pieces in the windows also pleased to see you still have a decent stereo system with proper speakers and not these baked bean can sized things that make the music sound as though its in a tunnel.
Mike www.abfabglass.co.uk
Hear, hear..... :thup:
Nice glass windows there too Chopin-lizst!! Glass is in our hearts :love:
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:hi:
I just thought it would be a nice idea to show you how these panels can be effectively used, Rose - do yours fit any of your windows - in a way that can give you privacy as well as display the glass to it's best?
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They're all gorgeous, Rose, and I hope you find some way of using them!
Sue, just saw your wave sculpture with pride of place there - it's just gorgeous!
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The Graham Muir Wave Form?
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b227/chopin-liszt/awave.jpg
(and against a plain background)
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b227/chopin-liszt/awave2.jpg
Michael bought me that at The Scottish Glass Society Exhibition (2005, I think)
(I've said before, I may not get b'day and 25th december presents, but when I do get a present, it's a stonker!)
I'm fairly sure it's one of his earliest - he has become somewhat famous for these Wave Forms - they are getting taller and bigger, and look more and more about to topple over as time goes by. They are extremely difficult to make - I'm told nearly 4 out of 5 crack or collapse. He isn't using the graal technique in their bodies any more.
http://grahammuir.co.uk/category/waves/
I'm told there are queues for them.
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Thars one stonking sculpture.
How tall is it
ike www.abfabglass.co.uk
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It's 10.25 inches short, Mike. It's only a wee one, height-wise. It's 15 " wide. There are several wave forms shown in the exhibition section of his site.
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Cheers I will have a look. Its a stunning piece.
Mike www.abfabglass.co.uk
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Found another one at a Garage Sale today.... :hiclp: ;D
It is very nice. I put this one in my front window as it does have hooks on it. It is very pretty too. Do not know why I am finding so many of these lately, but I can not :spls2: ;D pass them up if a good price.
yes, I am a S-U-C-K-E-R for these...........lol..........but belonging to a Glass Forum, I better be !!!! :rlz: :24:
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Bevelled center design very nice. How much did you pay for it?
Mike www.abfabglass.co.uk
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Bevelled center design very nice. How much did you pay for it?
Mike www.abfabglass.co.uk
Hi there:
they wanted $50 for it, but I found some other things there -- so I made an offer of $50 for everything......so I ended up paying about $35 for it with the group of items I bought
Not too much I hope....?? I would have bought for $50 but when I had found several other things at this estate sale -- grouped them up, and made one offer of all for $50.
I really like it!!
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Brilliant price when you think to make would cost you more than that to buy the materials.
Well done.
Mike www.abfabglass.co.uk
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I have a feeling that the rolled plate bits (the textured pieces) might be a Pilkington design.
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That daisy pattern is one I'm more familiar with seeing in toilet domestic windows. :24:
Our panels have been damaged by burglars who smashed the windows, then trampled on the panels when climbing in, so they've been off to the lovely Liz Rowley (stained glass artist) to get repaired. Each time, it has been about £100 for the repair - I'm not complaining at all - it was a lot of work and getting it done professionally was well worth it. Liz got her students to do a good bit of it to keep the bill down for us.
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Antiquerose123 you got that for a steal! I thought I'd show you my pieces. The first one is right above me in my office blocking the view of a storage shed. The second one is above my sink in the kitchen, there was a window there a long time ago, addition was added and they left it open. The third is in the family room. I had the one hanging but when the sun set the reflection off my neighbor's house about blinded me so I set another one below it, now I see a pretty glow.
Janice
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Thanks all -- and Love seeing the other Pieces too. They are a *must* for any person that collects Glass, IMHO :rlz: :24: :24:
I have a feeling that the rolled plate bits (the textured pieces) might be a Pilkington design.
What is Pilkington Design?
Not sure, but I also bought this Candle (tea-light) holder with Green glass in it. It is made of Brass too. So I am thinking :thud: that this green piece here might be an older piece (like maybe the 70's). If I recall that kind of glass was popular in homes as a decorative accent -- so I am thinking this Green Tea light holder must be from around that era too.
Anyone know? What is this design in the glass called on this Green piece? It is Glass, not Plastic. There is brass (and it is soldered together) in this piece. The Size of this Tea light is about 8.5 inches tall, and wide. Has a brass chain to hang it up with.
Kinda different. Glass was used in SO many ways throughout the years :huh2: :thup:
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Hi.
It looks as though this is put together with copper foil and then soldered. Its very difficult to see from the pictures.
Pieces like this come in from all over Asia and the far East. Could also be home craft.
Mike www.abfabglass.co.uk