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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: chriscooper on June 26, 2011, 10:43:52 AM
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Possible Murano?
Stands 6.5" high 7.5" long polished base, clear crystal and smoke.
https://picasaweb.google.com/107067405711297858658/MuranoHorse#5622466790884737730
Chris :sun:
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Parade rainer here. Chris, the low ears on your horse make me think it's Chinese. Most of the Chinese horse heads I've seen coming out of China have low ears that look almost like they are growing out of the jaw. The tail of your horse seems a bit more sleek than what I'm used to in Murano horses. I don't know for sure, so take my thoughts on your horse with a grain of skepticism. I saw a similar horse (without a label) that was attributed to V. Nason, so it is a possibility.
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The shape is very similar to this one with a Murano label....even though yours is less flamboyant.......I would have said Murano. I like it. :)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160606929415
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Similar......ish
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?topic=32028.0
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Identical.......ish!!
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Could be then?
Chris :sun:
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Might want to ask if this can be moved to Murano as well as my ellie Chris??
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I'd still be very hesitant about saying Murano. I'm very suspicious of the label on the one on eBay. It looks very like the labels I see on glass in discount stores here that comes from China. I'm with Anita.
David
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Hi David, what is your opinion on the one with the red foil label one in the link I have provided to the previous post? which belongs to 'tother Anne, I too have the up most respect for the opinion of Anita :kissy:
To be fair I added the link to the previous post because in my opinion it's pretty similar in shape style and colours and it does have a label on so probably deserves further discussion?
What I know about Murano glass would probably fit on the label :-[ anyway.
Chris :sun:
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The one on ebay looks distinctly dodgy. The label looks to have been pulled off and restuck, and aventurine with gold, what's that?
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I'm very reluctant to believe labels where Murano features prominently like this, unless it's a label that I recognize on a piece that fits the label. The one thing I would add about the label on the original piece in this thread is that I haven't seen the word "Venezia" on Chinese pieces. However, as Christine says, it looks like the label has been added.
Overall, I guess what would be important to me is the quality of the piece I had. If a Murano piece shares some poor qualities with a piece made in China does that make the Murano piece better than the Chinese piece? I'd ask the same question the other way around, too. I know I forget sometimes that some pretty horrible stuff was made in Murano, and that some pretty nice stuff is being made in China.
David
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I agree wholeheartedly with you there David, this Murano Horse http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VINTAGE-VETRI-MURANO-GLASS-HORSE-FIGURINE-VENETIAN-NICE-/400072600839 is, IMHO, absolutely diabolical in its execution, but is nevertheless, Murano glass.
I have pieces that I have washed and the label has come loose, and I have had to stick it back on.....labels are a pain....they give little or no proof that the item is what the label says it really is even engraved signatures can be faked.....looking at the way the head on Chris's horse is made, I would say Murano, BUT, if it is Chinese, then I have to concede that there is nothing wrong with well executed Chinese Glass.
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Why is this post getting so complicated :huh:
Okay forget the eBay link that Rosie posted. Simply asking if you think this then is probably Chinese......
https://picasaweb.google.com/107067405711297858658/MuranoHorse#5622466790884737730
Then what do you think of this one which as red foil Murano label and is very similar?
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,32028.0.html
Chris :sun:
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Under the circumstances one should not forget what has occurred in the very recent past regarding China/Murano & labels:
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Business/?id=3.1.593936254
http://www.thevenetianclub.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=93&Itemid=114
http://www.travelsignposts.com/wordpress/italy/shopping-in-venice/murano-glass
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Why is this post getting so complicated :huh:
Okay forget the eBay link that Rosie posted. Simply asking if you think this then is probably Chinese......
https://picasaweb.google.com/107067405711297858658/MuranoHorse#5622466790884737730
Then what do you think of this one which as red foil Murano label and is very similar?
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,32028.0.html
Chris :sun:
I have to go back to my original thoughts -- maybe Murano, leaning toward Chinese. I looked very carefully at your horse to see where the ears are placed, but with the optic effects of the glass, it is hard to tell. It can be so hard to get good shots of the head when the glass is transparent. The eye and ear on the other side show through.
There used to be an easy way to tell the good resting horses from the bad ones. The good ones had full legs with hooves. The bad ones just had a couple of knees pulled out and a round rump. Then, wouldn't you know, the Chinese and other Italian furnaces started making some with legs and hooves. Next the Chinese will probably make sure that all the ears are higher on the head.
The more I look at animals, the less I'm able to say who made many of the common designs. The sitting cats & dogs, the resting horses, the elephant paperweights, the angelfish, etc., look so much alike between companies that unless there is something exceptional in the details, it is very difficult to distinguish between makers. Chris, your horse has applied hooves, which puts it in the "good horse" category. The neodymium (I think) horse that Rosie pointed out is also in this category -- it is actually a pretty good horse if one likes the colors and high posture.
Many companies in many countries do the shaded glass. It can point toward companies like V. Nason and Campanella, but was used by so many companies that the design itself has to be considered. I still think there is a good chance the horse is Murano glass. I may be pulled toward Chinese, but that doesn't mean anything, particularly if I can't really tell exactly where the ears are coming out... and there is no reason that someone in Murano may not have put the ears on lower.
Don't you love the animals? They are so certain.