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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Unresolved Glass Queries => Topic started by: flying free on June 29, 2011, 12:29:14 PM
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I did quite a bit of searching before I bought this and rather a lot since :spls: and at the risk of embarrassing myself severely, is this an Archimede Seguso vase does anyone know?
Sold as Murano, but I've checked Czechoslovakian (thought maybe Skrdlovice given the rim and thickness but no luck, then found a Pavel Hlava vase with trails but not the same vase at all), Czech, some Polish and Chinese as well as Murano (although I've probably missed something vital like Malaysian glass I've just remembered) as far as I can and what I have found are the following two links. Both are attributed to A Seguso, one is Svazzo's and looks the most similar to mine but different colours, smaller vase, and 'fatter' trails, the other different but some similarities -
Mine is 10" 925cm) tall and 12cm widest and weighs 3kg or 6 3/4lb rim thickness is 1 1/4" or 3cm.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/7241240
http://cgi.ebay.com/Murano-SEGUSO-Light-Blue-Green-Yellow-SOMMERSO-Vase-/120740168100?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1cacc1a4&clk_rvr_id=244353386805&x=26&y=5
Any thoughts very much appreciated as I have very few book resources here on Murano glass.
Many thanks :sun:
m
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I also found this picture which appears to have items from the same colour palate as my vase ??
m (scroll down to the picture on the left which says cornucopi 1956)
http://www.aseguso.com/quaderni/book-4
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flyingfree, first I don't know who made your vase, but I can tell that it is a good one. The colors and rim look like it could have easily come from Seguso VdA or Archimede Seguso. I think you are looking in the right neighborhood. Wish I could say for sure.
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Anita, many thanks. I shall keep looking for further evidence then.
m
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Hi flying...there is a similar piece down in murano but without the twists. And I actually found the link...
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,29032.0.html
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Hi Kane
Thanks for that! I will do a quick post there and a link to here so Andy doesn't miss it.
I'm going to stick my neck out here even though I probably don't know enough to have experience to do so....I am absolutely convinced my vase is Murano glass and is high quality. It is impeccably made and finished, the sommerso is beautifully done and the applied trails down the sides are also executed immaculately well, not only in how they are finished submerged into the foot glass completely, but also how they are wound around the body of the vase. The base edges are bevelled and the rim of the base shows years of wear, not just the random scratches on the base. There is nothing sloppy on this vase.
Whilst this is not an indicator, I have had and still do have, some Czechoslovakian glass and it doesn't sit right with those pieces (Large Skrdlovice Beranek vase and a Chribska 'Bat' vase and a more recent Czech large vase are what I still have). It is much thicker in glass than the Beranek vase, all the way down 3cm thick, the rim is not the same as the Beranek piece, which is very thick but much thinner than this vase, and actually the walls of that Beranek vase become thinner under the rim if you run your finger round the interior. However put it together with my large red and gold Murano bowl and amber and clear winged Murano vase and they work perfectly well together. As I said, not a way to make an id, but sometimes those little points help.
So there is no question in my mind (and it seems not in Andy's either reading the linked thread), but it's just finding the maker that is elusive ;D
thanks again
m
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Hi flying...definitely murano but as to the maker the question is still out!!!
I have not seen these pieces here in OZ and we do not have a labeled example as yet. They do look well made though, and i would love to hold and see one. I don't think they are by SVdA or A.S though.
The worst though is, I have seen some high quality sommerso with the generic 'Made In Murano' label though cropping every now an then. I certainly hope one doesn't crop up though like these examples with that label. I am still on the look out...maybe the mods could move this to Murano for later...
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aah, is it possible these are by Luigi Onesto?
see link here
http://www.fossilfly.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=2593
thoughts welcomed :)
thanks so much
m
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Thanks m,
very interesting, a lovely vase. I think our vases are a little older than the one on fossilfly, if the poster says he
bought it in 2001. Did you see alink on that fossilfly thread to some vases on ebay,
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110420854674&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
From the text, it mentions 'I bought when I was there in 2007 at Cam Vetri D'Arte. There website is www.cam-murano.com and they are one of the oldest most respected glass blowing studios and galleries on the island. '
It may be worth emailing them ? Im just going away for a few days, so bit busy today, but i did buy another vase last year, that i think must be from the same factory, i will post some photos this afternoon on my other thread.
Getting close on these!
Andy
;D
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Heres another vase , i feel is probably from the same maker, i think i found it an auction a year or two ago.
No twists or wings, but similar in style and Sommerso colours. Its 14inches tall.
Andy
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Andy are yours red? Mine is a deep cerise pink.
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Andy CAM glass appears to be an outlet or store rather than a furnace and if you think the vases are older than the 2001 vase I linked to, then the 2007 vase doesn't seem to fit with that?
I'll keep looking and see if I can find anything else out. I am tempted to send an email to Luigi Onesto though.
m
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Good idea. The one with blue wings is red, the other is somewhere inbetween that one and yours.
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Actually I should correct that....it does appear from that ebay link that the person bought her vases from CAM and she says there was a gallery and a furnace there.
however, if they (the ones on ebay) are the same as the signed one in the fossilfly link (albeit not exactly the same as yours and mine)...and I can't say they look exactly the same as it is difficult to tell and they seem only to be blue and clear not dual/triple colours.... then the signed one is by Luigi Onesto so it may be that his work was being sold in the gallery CAM? or is that not a good supposition?
(and am I right that he is Onesto of Oball Glass?)
m
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m,
just googled and found the website of Onesto.
http://www.oball.com/home.htm
The colours are very bright and the sommerso more precise than mine, i dont think they are by him.
The colours and sommerso of mine remind me more of the faceted Mandruzatto stuff.
I still think we are on the right Island!
:D
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http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/a-vetreria-artistica-oball-vase-9-1-2-in
not sure if this is one already discussed on the links but it is attributed to Vetreria Artistica Oball - unfortunately not a lot of information on how it is attributed i.e. no mention of signature or label - Oball I believe was set up by Onesto.
m
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This one looks similar - and has a label.
Any thoughts? Many thanks :sun:
http://www.tias.com/cgi-bin/showcase-item.cgi?itemKey=1922210060&store=/stores/frozenbeauty
m
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just to add info in case it disappears in future, the label seems to say TIco or TLco to me in curly script with an old fashioned T that looks like a J... hmmm, it could be JIco, but I think it's more a T than a J. The label is oval ish shape sideways and also says ARTE DI MURANO across the bottom, is a worn foil label that looks to be blue foil with gold writing maybe, too worn to know. The seller attributed it to probably Barbini.
Could it be a Jordan Importing co label?
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I think i may have cracked it ;D
I saw this vase at Newbury antiques market today, with a label, i asked permission to take photos, not an overly friendly permission given, she said if i was that interested, i could always just buy it! She had £190 on it , and its nowhere as nice as mine or m's pieces ! So photos are not good, the vase , i could tell, was from the same hand, and the label read ' Arte Nuova Murano' couldnt read any more, but on googling, found lots of information to confirm the attribution, best one with the same READABLE Label is this one,
https://secure.modernistglass.com/glasspieces/view/2922/labelled-arte-nuova-murano-1958-lamp
Rest of label, Grand prize winner at 1958 Brussels World Fair !
a piece on fossilfly, same company, different label, Itamo Pustetto and Lizio Zanetti
http://www.fossilfly.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=1847
A Lamp , sold by Tennants auctioneers,
http://www.tennants.co.uk/Catalogue/Lots/47191.aspx
From Great glass ,
http://www.great-glass.co.uk/glass%20notes/mana-b.htm
Arte Nuova
Murano, Venice, Italy (1954 - c 1965)
Itamo Pustetto, Mario Fuga. Nino D'Este, Aldo Fuga (1958), Alessandro Lenarda (1960s)
and a tentative link to Flavio Poli on,
http://www.llangollenmuseum.org.uk/YTYSArchiveMaterial/AnnaMeyers/AnnaMeyersTranscript.htm
Anymore info on Arte Nuova , welcome, i will keep looking , but Im pretty happy on a couple of my pieces and
this one .
What do the panel think ;)
Cheers
Andy
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Just adding another link, twisted base, same style , with label.
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/murano-arte-nuova-rare-world-fair-brussels-1958
and another, interesting pink,
http://www.antiquesreporter.com.au/index.cfm/lot/448948-an-arte-nuova-murano-glass-bon-bon-dish-circa-1960-one-end-up-tu/
and ! ::) While i'm at it, i am wondering about this lovely vase of mine now !
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,8014.msg76781.html#msg76781
Beautiful Sommerso, twisted base,
And interestingly a link from Pips Trip, with same label and attribution to Flavio Poli ?
http://www.pips-trip.co.uk/sold-glass-archives/italian-glass-1/showitem-MUR-SEGUSOPOLI1.aspx
Something to chew over !
I am also wondering about another beautiful piece of mine, I will leave that for now, information overload ;D
Andy
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http://www.fossilfly.com/Forums/showthread.php?p=7337
a little snippet of info from a post Jurgen made, listing names again.
No rest until we have found one with the trails and twist Andy ;D
But it's good you've seen it and think ours are from the same maker! excellent spotting.
m
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m,
found this lovely lump today,
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CZECH-1963-Red-Azure-Topaz-HANA-MACHOVSKA-VASE-Perfect-/280863330942?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item4164c2527e
Again, i would think from the same place as ours, and pretty definitely not Mstisov.
The seller is on my favourites list, hes been mentioned here before, not in a bad way, but because of his amazing flowery descriptions, hes a bit concise on this one, i suspect because hes not 100% sure of his attribution. Have a look at his other items for the Mdina or Whitefriars pieces. He has a lot of time on his hands :P
Andy
:-*
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Just having a look in Mark Hills book, the Mstisov ' Romana' range has got the same colours as the ebay
example, so could be a possibility, although i still think its more likely Italian ::)
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thanks Andy :) I've been through all the books I have looking for Czech glass matches and I'm still not sure it is Czech. I might try and go through Jindrich's catalogues for the early 60's and see if I can find anything there.
m
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I'm convinced its Arte Nuova Murano, but I think the dates are similar, 50s/60s , i think its just glass companies and artists imitating others in popular styles of the day !