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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Anne E.B. on June 30, 2011, 06:49:59 PM
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http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/DSCF2944.jpg
Top plate. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/DSCF2940.jpg
Stem. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/DSCF2942.jpg
This was sold to me as being possibly Irish and "cut glass". I think it might be a combination of both pressed and cut glass. What does anyone think please? Its actually quite huge and very heavy and of real quality. From reading up, I think this was probably made after 1870 because of the frosted/sandblast treatment on the top plate and foot. The double knop stem is quite lovely with its diamond facets. I can't see any markings anywhere, and I've looked to see if I could find the geometric pattern at the base of its rim (which I think is machine cut) shown anywhere else, which can sometimes help ID pieces. I looked at the Manchester glassworks designs, but found nothing similar.
Any help would be much appreciated. I'm way out of my league here (including most other things too :ac1: )
TIA ;)
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The top part is a dead ringer for the top bit of Molineaux Webb pattern 8208 which I would date to 1870 plus or minus a couple of years. The bottom parts do not match anything in the Molineaux Webb pattern book - I can't see anything which combines a frosted foot with a cut stem. However I can see that not dissimilar cut stems start to appear on some items around 1870. The pattern book only goes up to about 1873 so if Molineaux & Webb changed their stem designs later in the 1870s they are a possible contender. Might be a long shot though as I was told by Edwina Percival that stems are quite distinctive to individual glassworks so in the absence of firm evidence...
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Many thanks Neil. Not conclusive, but...
It has a similar rim and foot (along with the frosted surface) as the Greek key celery shown in your History of Molineaux & Webb website. I'm presuming M.&.W. didn't mark all their pieces? I do have a small creamer which is marked with RD134908 c.1889. I spent ages trying to discover the maker from the Rd.number, without success, and found the creamer on your M.&.W. website ;D
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Outside of registered pieces, Molineaux Webb are not known to have marked their wares bar one example mentioned in Hajdamach's book where a vase circa 1850 had "MW & Co" on the base. There is also a spherical orb late 1880s which still has a sticker on it: "M.W. & Co. Ld."
They also used a trademark circa 1850 of "Carnelian" so if anyone has that marked on a piece of Victorian glassware...