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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: rocco on July 03, 2011, 03:49:41 PM
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Need once more your help for ID of this nice vase! :)
Height 12 cm, diameter 9 cm, cylindrical shape with abstract decoration of bumps, rings,...
Thick bottom which makes the piece rather heavy, 2 seams from mold visible.
Nice quality IMHO; base is ground and shiny (really high gloss finish) with round polished pontil scar and bevelled edge, rim is ground and bevelled.
Tried my best to provide pics which show the pattern (not very easy unfortunately)
Any ideas? Scandi, German,...?
Thanks!
Michael
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I also think it could be either German or Scandi, but I haven't come across this particular pattern before. If it's German - many of my vases that are thickwalled, clear and patterned turned out to be Nachtmann, but of course it's not their exclusive domain. Hirschberg for instance might be an alternive.
Maybe Dirk has seen it before?
Astrid
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or Skruf.
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Sorry, haven´t seen it before... :-\
I´ll have a look into the Gralglas CD tonight. There are a few scandi-like designs in it.
Side question: Why - as a mould-blown vase - does it have a ground out pontil mark?
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I would have thought the pontil mark would have been formed because the piece was stuck up on a punty to take it out of the mould, then cracked off & mark polished as per a fully blown piece?
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That would make sense. Thanks, Cathy! :kissy:
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Thank you all very much!!
Astrid, I did consider German, but I was not sure which company would fit to such a bottom finish -- thanks for your hints! Will have a closer look into those...
Ivo, Skruf was what I thought when I picked it up -- but the one similar piece I have handled so far was signed and had a totally flat base...
But that may not be the rule?
Dirk, Cathy, that sounds like a reasonable explanation for the ground out pontil mark; would turn mould-blown be the right expression for that?
(BTW, I have a Ruda glasbruk vase with a ground out pontil, which I believe to be mould-blown as well)
I had a short look through the Gralglas CD yesterday, but didn't see anything similar. Would the bottom finish be congruent with other Gralglas pieces?
What I might add is that there has been put quite some effort in this piece -- I have not seen such a high-gloss polished base yet...
And the glass looks so "clear" -- can it be lead crystal?
Michael
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Attractive vase, Michael -- I like the swirly bellybuttons. Sorry I can't help with an ID, though.
But a little word or two about pontil marks and bases...
I've recently purchased two small František Zemek vases (Hermanova Hut, pattern 19832). Though I know they are Czech and pressed, they have no seam lines and no base ring common for Czech pressed glass. Both have got flat bottoms, and green one has got what looks like a ground and polished indentation from where a pontil was attached. A kind and knowledgable soul told me that the vase was probably just slumped when taken from the mould so needed grinding to let it sit without a wobble, hence the mark.
Two pieces, same pattern number, but slightly different finishes to the base... (Sorry for hijacking your thread... :kissy:)
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Anik, hijacking is no problem :hi:
Very interesting finish for a Sklo Union piece...
But I guess there is no rule that every SU item must have an indented base (and they are all ground anyway, so why not do this till a flat base is left :)).
My two Zemek pressed glass vases (PN 19867 and 19880) have the common SU-base, though...
Michael
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Mmh, can´t find it on the Cd either....
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The ´Sirius´ vase in my webalbum and another vase (not photographed yet) have
a similar base treatment BTW.
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The general design of your vase looks a bit similar to Josef Schott´s work, but I
couldn´t find a match either...
:)
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Dirk, thank you so much for researching my vase! :)
The Josef Schott designs for Smalandshyttan do have some similarities, but the patterns seem to be more geometric, whereas the decor on mine looks more random and irregular...
Had another look at the gralglas CD, but couldn't find anything (BTW, your Sirius vase is gorgeous, one of the pieces high on my wishlist).
So I am leaning towards Scandinavia at the moment...
Thanks,
Michael
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Hi Anik,
I'm pretty sure both explanations are possible. Some of the 1920s-30s mould-blown pieces I'm familiar with were definitely stuck up to be removed from the mould. You're probably right though that with this later piece it's likely to be just a bit of tidying up.
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Oh Cathy, I wasn't questioning your explanation! I just wanted to point out that perhaps there really aren't any 'rules' and that some pieces may be finished untypically... Unfortunately, I did it all very ineloquently. (http://serve.mysmiley.net/ashamed/ashamed0001.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net)
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Am I the only one who regards this one as a whishy tumbler? That would explain away the extra finish of the bottom - and there should be a matching decanter somewhere.
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Is that a whishy tumbler as in, "I whishy I had some whisky to put in this this tumbler?"
David
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yes, Reverend, it is.
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I did consider the tumbler idea, but -- I don't think so. Much too heavy (I guess around half a kilo; the bottom is almost 3 cm thick).
And the ground top edge is quite sharp which would render drinking from it rather inconvenient.
12 cm x 9 cm may sound quite small, but in reality it is quite a substantial piece...
But I stand to be corrected if somebody shows me the drinking glass range it comes from ;D
Thanks!
Michael
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My favourite Whisky glasses (:hi: Sue, they're still as wonderful as they were) weigh in at 562 grams each - and that is not extreme at all...
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:smg: I'm still seriously chuffed I found something which appeals your highly refined taste, Ivo.
But I think this glass/vase in question would not be nearly so comfortable a thing to hold or drink from. :huh:
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Neither do I, Sue.
I put it on my kitchen scale: it has a weight of more than 700g, so not a glass I would like to drink from...
But whatever it is -- I am still interested in the maker :)
What about Sea Glasbruk? These 2 vases have some similarities:
http://picasaweb.google.com/mannersglass/ScandicGlass#5436735175310113906 (http://picasaweb.google.com/mannersglass/ScandicGlass#5436735175310113906)
http://picasaweb.google.com/mannersglass/ScandicGlass#5436735615942728274 (http://picasaweb.google.com/mannersglass/ScandicGlass#5436735615942728274)
Michael