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Title: black & white vase
Post by: Phil on July 03, 2011, 03:56:28 PM
Another boot sale buy this morning. Stands 20cm tall. Black glass cased in white with the pattern cut into the white to reveal the black. I have no idea of date or manufacturer so would appreciate any suggestions. Many thanks.

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Title: Re: black & white vase
Post by: antiquerose123 on July 03, 2011, 05:27:39 PM
????????

hard to tell, but is it Ceramic?  As the bottom kinda looks that way to me -- but I can be wrong (most times I am)  ;D
Title: Re: black & white vase
Post by: keith on July 03, 2011, 08:42:38 PM
Me to Rose,the base does look ceramic ;D
Title: Re: black & white vase
Post by: Phil on July 03, 2011, 09:06:19 PM
no it's definitely cased glass - the black glows a deep pink when I put a light inside the vase
Title: Re: black & white vase
Post by: Anne on July 03, 2011, 10:44:23 PM
I'd have said ceramic too with that base, to be honest!
Title: Re: black & white vase
Post by: ahremck on July 04, 2011, 03:49:13 AM
Sorry I can't help with a maker Phil.  It could look like a ceramic from the base BUT surely two nicely ground edges on the rim would make it obvious you knew what you were talking about.   :thup:  I would like to own it myself - an excellent interesting buy.

Ross
Title: Re: black & white vase
Post by: flying free on July 04, 2011, 07:28:36 AM
is the rim ground and polished shiny or matt?
m
Title: Re: black & white vase
Post by: ahremck on July 04, 2011, 08:10:04 AM
If you look carefully at the left-hand photo you will see the thin black rim showing which shows the outer edge of the rim has been ground off - especially when you look at where the camera is pointed - straight at the decorative cutout section in the middle of the vase.

The centre photo shows the inner rim is also ground off (is shows well to the right rear of the photo).

The top of the rim is also ground flat.  As far as I can tell they have not been polished.

For the base to be a pottery base it would need to have a boundary between the white glaze and the section showing wear and again between the worn section and the inner white part.  Further the glazing of large vessels requires contact with the "base" that it was fired on - where can that be seen.  The whole base is cased in white - despite those funny little circles - whose presence I can't explain.  I happen to collect pottery as well as glass.

Ross
Title: Re: black & white vase
Post by: flying free on July 04, 2011, 08:36:08 AM
Hi, I wasn't questioning whether it was glass, I'm sure it is glass, I have glass pieces with those circular marks on from the mould.  I was just wondering whether the rim was ground and polished or not.
m
Title: Re: black & white vase
Post by: Phil on July 04, 2011, 08:35:15 PM
Thanks for all your interest and input. Just to clarify it definitely IS glass - the outer thinner white casing is ground and bevelled at the rim and the thicker black inner is flat ground with a matt finish. The base circles make no sense to me either as they appear to be randomly placed. The black mark fades into the white and reminds me of a cloudy marble (as in glass marbles - I'm sure we used to call them cloudys!). The cuttting is very crisp and sharp though the horizontal lines are a bit uneven. Any more input or suggestions of age or manufacturer still welcome.  :thup:
Title: Re: black & white vase
Post by: scimiman on July 05, 2011, 03:21:49 PM
Have a look here https://picasaweb.google.com/exat53/Glas#5159815210933924146 (https://picasaweb.google.com/exat53/Glas#5159815210933924146)different design but definitely in the right direction.
Mike www.abfabglass.co.uk
Title: Re: black & white vase
Post by: Phil on July 07, 2011, 06:48:34 PM
Thanks Mike - definitely some similarity - any idea on the date or maker of that one?
Title: Re: black & white vase
Post by: scimiman on July 07, 2011, 07:50:02 PM
No idea I found it by accident when going through Dusans Gallery. Heres a link to his site  https://picasaweb.google.com/exat53 (https://picasaweb.google.com/exat53) Drop them a line and see if they can help.
The picture your interested in is in the album in the last but one line with a grey vase on the cover.
Regards Mike www.abfabglass.co.uk
Title: Re: black & white vase
Post by: Frank on July 07, 2011, 09:28:32 PM
I suspect this is floristware and a moulded pseudo cameo effect.
Title: Re: black & white vase
Post by: chopin-liszt on July 08, 2011, 01:03:32 PM
On the general theme of black and white, cut and geometric, I have a Portmeirion "waste paper bin".
(massive beast - 7.75" diameter, 10" tall).
(Sorry about the slightly fuzzy pics - the camera doesn't like being on the "plain" flower setting, and I had to use that setting as the bin is too big for the "small" flowery bit).
It is definitely cut - it's sharp!
Title: Re: black & white vase
Post by: Phil on July 10, 2011, 10:42:09 AM
I suspect this is floristware and a moulded pseudo cameo effect.

The sharpness of the edged leads me to believe it is cut
Title: Re: black & white vase
Post by: Phil on July 10, 2011, 10:43:53 AM
On the general theme of black and white, cut and geometric, I have a Portmeirion "waste paper bin".
(massive beast - 7.75" diameter, 10" tall).
(Sorry about the slightly fuzzy pics - the camera doesn't like being on the "plain" flower setting, and I had to use that setting as the bin is too big for the "small" flowery bit).
It is definitely cut - it's sharp!


I love the op-art effect!
Title: Re: black & white vase
Post by: chopin-liszt on July 10, 2011, 10:48:33 AM
Very Bridget Riley, isn't it?
Title: Re: black & white vase
Post by: glassobsessed on July 24, 2011, 05:45:20 PM
Quite likely unrelated but this finished on ebay the other day and the seller states it has a label from John Lewis and is also cut (seller also has a similar pair that have finished):
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170669127831&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

John