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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: stemidd on July 06, 2011, 07:26:49 AM
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hi all,
i have a superb vase, with ground pontil base, the decoration is gold aventurine fleck with brown glass handles, looks european poss murano or mdina?? any of you experts out there who may be able to shed any light on maker etc i would be most gratefull.
1.2 kg weight - 25.5 cm high x 11.5 cm wide approx
best regards
steve from leeds in uk
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could it be frattelli tosso?
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I'm afraid I doubt it very much, Steve.
I think it's completely modern - probably Spanish????
When posting images of a piece it is always a good idea to include a good picture of the base finish - a crudely finished pontil mark would confirm the modern origins.
;) Your title confused me - I was expecting to see green aventurine in the piece!
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I know the answer to this one. There have been a couple of vases that have appeared on Fossilfly and I researched this type of glass. This is actually an American piece made by Dale Tiffany. It is a contemporary modern piece.
http://www.daletiffany.com/
http://www.fossilfly.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=2869&highlight=Tiffany
tam bam
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I don't think it looks the same at all! The handles are quite different.
Base shots of both sorts of bits would help a lot.
There is an absolute ton of stuff like this on the market right now - mostly wrongly attributed to Mdina.
I also think it a bit more likely that Steve in Leeds would have found a Spanish piece than a bit of American Studio Glass - although I wouldn't discount it either.
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I'm sure I've seen these identified as contemporary Chinese. I'll have a look round and see what I can find.
m
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They are certainly appearing in every "antique" centre
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I am going by the colors (swirly colors in vase) and the way the aventurine looks in the vase and not the handles. Tiffany put different handles on these types of vases. I still believe the vase is American until I see one with a different tag on it.
Here is another one I found on Ebay that is currently on the auction block.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dale-Tiffany-Teal-Copper-Milano-Bottle-Vase-Handles-NEW-/140571101102?_trksid=p3286.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D1153697780359361598
tam bam
P.S. - I wouldn't consider this vase a studio American piece but a massed produced American piece. The name can be deceiving.
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:hi:
Perhaps it could be the case that the ones in the American market are Dale Tiffany - and the ones in Europe could be of Spanish or Chinese origins?
They are attractive decorative pieces...........
and there are an awful lot of them around!
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hi all,
it has a large ground smooth pontil marked base, id send a picture but can seem to work out how to add without starting again, have looked at the tiffany and it certainly looks almost identical to some on usa sites
kind regards
steve
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That could be entirely possible, Sue. I usually see Americans post these types of vases but this is a first I have seen a European post one of these.
tam bam
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Question - are Dale Tiffany products actually produced in America?
Or are Dale Tiffany a distributor of bought in goods?
Just wondering , having read their blurb
m
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You can add pics to any post in a thread - up to 4 at a time.
Is the pontil mark polished smooth and shiney, or satinated, or.... is it central, is it completely round... are there marver or mould marks around it....... you get the idea!
(A pontil is the iron rod the hot glass is held on to - it leaves a pontil mark when it is removed. Glass does not have a pontil - except when it's stuck on the iron, it just deosn't make any sense, Steve. :) sorry - this is my own particular bugbear. :pb: )
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hi sue,
the pontil mark is completly round and central, 4.7 cm diameter approx
regardssteve
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I believe Dale Tiffany is the company that makes the glass since retailers carry his glass. Here is their website.
http://www.daletiffany.com/about.php
tam bam
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I am going to correct myself. One member on Fossilfly, and she is American, posted one of these vases and I just found the other post with another I think is made by Dale Tiffany and the member is from the UK.
http://www.fossilfly.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=3021&highlight=Dale+Tiffany
tam bam
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The website is rather vague about what is made and what is assembled and what is designed.
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tam bam I was just thinking that, when reading their site, they actually sounded like an importer or distributor or representative rather than a maker, and I am quite suspicious they have the name Tiffany in their name.
On the last link you posted to on fossilfly Cliff seemed to be intimating they are Chinese (last post in the thread) if I didn't read that wrongly? I am also sure I have seen them (the turquoise one) id'd as Chinese on a Bohemian glass site somewhere in my travels. However, you have found one with a Dale Tiffany label and I haven't yet seen one with a Made in China label, just attributions as Chinese, so I could be totally wrong :-[
m
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Hmmm, I read that before.
It says they check it and assemble it - it doesn't say anywhere that they make it.
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Steve's sent me an image of the pontil mark. :thup:
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this one has a label on the base stating The Pier apparently £14.95 - the base also seems to be the same as yours Steve.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PIER-TURQUOISE-COPPER-METALLIC-FLECK-DESIGNED-VASE-/110713132150?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Decorative_Accents_LE&hash=item19c7045476
m
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I believe that Dale Tiffany imports the glass and most other products from China..... I do not believe that he "manufactures" anything, but markets a lot and may do some final assembly of parts in the US.....
If I am not mistaken he has marketed and built an import company revolving around the last name of Tiffany.
Craig
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Tam Bam's post on fossilfly seems to match. The red one on your link shows the exact color scheme and a turquoise one on your older Fossilfly post is the same body shape, so Dale Tiffany seems possible. I would prefer it to be Italian or Spanish or American, but even if it is Chinese, I think it looks nice. The aventurine part is hammered in an odd way, and the gray is strange, almost like a pottery finish. Thanks everybody for some very good hints and expertise
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8hfswXRyFw
The Video link above has a couple of interesting points:
1) At 50 secs, click Pause, then double click to step through frame by frame, bringing into view two blue and "brown" vases in the lower right corner of the image. I suspect the "brown" could be aventurine. Both vases have small loop handles at the neck and the one to the right seems to have the rounded loop shape as seen in the vase in this thread and other threads, including the Fossilfly one mentioned earlier.
2) At 1 minute 20 secs listen to the commentary about the modern art glass, where it is said, "... manufactured in our own facility in China ..."
Ok, these snippets are not conclusive proof of anything, and the blue-brown vases do not appear to have the obvious "pull ups" within the decor as in the other vases discussed. But taken as a whole I think there is enough there to make a good case for these mystery vases to be from the Dale Tiffany company and quite possibly made in China.
Perhaps an email to the company would settle the matter?