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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: Frank on July 17, 2011, 11:31:48 PM

Title: 12995 it probably is not...
Post by: Frank on July 17, 2011, 11:31:48 PM

(http://sklo-union-glass.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/resized/AP_382_b_200x148.jpg)This vase has been assumed to be 12995

But according to CGR 1958/6, this is 12995 (http://sklo-union-glass.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/resized/AP_405_c_200x144.jpg)

Another variation also produced for Brussels '58 with Manneken p iss is #13011. (Spacing as board does not allow the word P iss)

So what is the base vase pattern number? Was it designed earlier or did the two Brussels versions appear first and the plain version later?

Title: Re: 12995 it probably is not...
Post by: Anne on July 18, 2011, 12:13:24 AM

It does if you spell it correctly, Frank,  it's Manneken Pis. 8)

Title: Re: 12995 it probably is not...
Post by: Frank on July 18, 2011, 12:52:50 AM

I was using German Spelling as per my source. Don't like to translate original references  >:D

Title: Re: 12995 it probably is not...
Post by: Jindra8526 on July 18, 2011, 03:39:54 PM

It is the same piece, made for Expo 58 in Brussels. I have seen and possibly I have this one also with comministic symbols and star.
Jindrich
www.cs-sklo.cz

Title: Re: 12995 it probably is not...
Post by: Frank on July 18, 2011, 04:21:51 PM

The ones with moulded decoration will each be a different pattern number and this documented, what we do not know is the pattern number of the plain version. Nor for that matter the 1974 example for the communist party anniversary. (http://sklo-union-glass.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/resized/AP_406_b_200x155.jpg)

Title: Re: 12995 it probably is not...
Post by: Anik R on July 18, 2011, 07:45:20 PM

I'm having a hard time believing that the same 'fundamental' vase would be given a completely new pattern number for each commemorative piece commissioned.  I think this vase appears only once (in any form) in the CGR, that being the 1958/6. What if #13011 is simply a misprint and not a documented pattern number?

Just wondering... (http://serve.mysmiley.net/innocent/innocent0009.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net)

Title: Re: 12995 it probably is not...
Post by: Frank on July 19, 2011, 12:28:17 AM

It would be quite normal for a glassworks to utilise a separate pattern number for variations in the mould. They would probably have made a standard mould and a mould with a changeable panel for this type of job. These would be filed and kept in the store under the relevant number. Don't forget they had to keep track of a lot of moulds! It helps that we have two of the shapes identified. Non-mould decoration would use the normal mould number.

I would guess that this vase was specifically designed for Brussels and that the base version would probably have a later number.

They also need distinct pattern numbers for order processing.