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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Resolved Glass Queries => Topic started by: Della on February 11, 2006, 01:01:37 PM
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Hi all, (Glen),
These can today, along with some carnival dishes, but I will just post these two for now.
Having seen 1 identical, I thought this one was a 'King James' vase by Rindskopf, but according to Dave Doty's site they only came in 6" & 10" and this one is 8"?
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10026/thumb_rind.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-1007)(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10026/thumb_rind1.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-1006)
The second one is 9" tall.
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10026/thumb_carnivase.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-1005)(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10026/thumb_carnivase1.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-1004)
Any help, as always, is appreciated :lol:
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Second one is Iris and Herringbone, Jeannette glass company 1928-1932, re-produced in the 1950s and in the 1970s.
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Your second piece is Jeannette Glass Iris (sometimes called Iris & Herringbone). Glen can confirm but I think the iridescent pieces were made in 1950 & again in 1969.
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Thank you Ivo and Connie,
Guess the second one is unanimous then :lol:
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Hi Della.
KING JAMES VASE
First, I'll give you the (Carnival) history of the "King James" vase.
The first reported example (6" high) was found by my husband, Steve, on a business trip to Belgium some 8 or so years ago. It was in a fleamarket in a square near the main station in Brussels. We also found a larger version (10") soon afterwards at an antique fair in the south of England.
We searched all our archives and catalogs for the vase, but could not find the exact pattern. We noted two things:
* the design is similar to Inwald's Jacobean pattern
* a similar block pattern is shown on some items - but NOT vases - in the Rindskopf catalogs that we have
So....we named the vase KING JAMES. We picked the name as it has a link to the name Jacobean - and it is not a variant, so it would have been wrong to call it Jacobean Variant. Thus King James was first documented.
Both of our vases are shown in our second book "A Century of Carnival Glass" (published 2001) on pages 99 and 100. The vase is listed in the main chapter on Czech Carnival. In that chapter is a long section on Josef Rindskopf's Carnival. It is the first time that Rindskopf was documented as a maker of Carnival Glass - and it was a ground breaking discovery.
However, the King James vase is listed in a section called "Possible Rindskopf patterns". We very clearly stated that it was possible but by no means proven, that the maker of this vase is Rindskopf. Our attribution to Rindskopf is cautious and not proven - and we were very clear about this.
So - King James vase, possibly Rindskopf, but may not be. Known until today in two sizes - 6" and 10". Now we can also add your 8" vase Della. Many congratulations on finding another unusual piece.
European Carnival research is very "cutting edge". I always try to be cautious and I have had cause to use an eraser or a corrector pen on many occasions (and I'm sure I will do so on many future occasions too).
HERRINGBONE AND IRIS VASE
aka Iris and Herringbone
Your second piece is a more recent item. Made by Jeanette in the USA it is generally referred to a Depression or Late Carnival. The iridised version was made circa 1950s - 1970s.
Hope this helps, Della.
Glen
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Hi Glen,
Thanks for the information, yet again. I didn't know that you had named the vase, how brilliant. I did look on your site, as I always do, but couldn't find it, so looked on ddoty. (where he doesn't say possibly.....<slapped hands>)
I did to try and buy your book on Czech carnival, but it is sold out. Maybe I should buy the other one.
Oh well, the vase may not have a definite maker, but has a lovely name.
My middle son is called James, so he will be chuffed to bits.
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Hi Della and Glen,
could your King James be Walther 1950 CUMBERLAND?
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/vasen/01580.html
:shock:
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Pamela - do you have a different Cumberland vase to the one I can see? Are there variations? This is the one I can find - it's not my King James.
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/CumberlandVase.html
Glen
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Glen, no I do not - it is just a 'could be?'
VEB Sachsenglas (Walther) simplified a lot of their Thirties' designs
Main aim was exportation to England to obtain foreign exchange
One of the best examples for this is my green Kolibri vase - which should be/is also Fifties if compared at the base
So I just take it that it 'could be' Cumberland (especially with that name) surviving as a pattern name
all other pattern names of West German Cities were deleted like Hannover f.e.
interesting field in any case! Hopefully D.Mauerhoff joins us Whitsun... and will be of help :wink:
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I think it is important to note that the vase currently known as "King James" is not Walther's "Cumberland" in my opinion.
The Walther Cumberland vase has:
* what appears to be a 10 sided base
* two vertical panels at the bottom of the vase, with a small panel just above the base
* one very long vertical panel (over half the height of the vase) at the top of the vase
* distinct full length vertical, narrow ridge panels separating the "square" panels
The unknown maker King James vase has:
* a 6 sided base
* five "square" block panels, going up the vase (vertical)
* six panels around the vase, horizontally
* no vertical separation between the blocks
* known in three different sizes (approx. 6", 8" and 10") in marigold and light amber
The "King James" vase is currently not attributed to a maker. I wish I knew who made it. I have speculated in the past that Rindskopf may be the maker. Indeed, it is very possible that Walther made it, but I do not yet have a catalog illustration that matches the King James. If anyone does have one, please please let us know.
Of course, it's also possible that an - as yet - unknown maker produced it. There are many Carnival items that do not have an attribution and may indeed remain so for some time. I'm currently thinking that Poland may well give us the answer to some questions. If in doubt, I feel it is fair to say "Maker unknown - possibly XXX - and almost certainly European".
Glen
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Della, on your Iris
I never find Iris and Herringbone or Herringbone and Iris - your search imho should go after FLORAL I
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Pamela - why "Floral"?
Glen
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Glen, searching (and also through my books)
floral iris and herringbone is more successful than searching iris or herringbone only - this is just my ho :?
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Well, the pattern is usually called Iris & Herringbone. I think the books mostly used to reference it would be Gene Florence's, and he notes: Iris, "Iris & Herringbone".
I've seen it written the other way around (it's a slip of the tongue really) but I've never seen it referred to as Floral Iris and Herringbone. There's another pattern........Floragold (aka Louisa) also by Jeanette.
Glen