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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: flying free on July 20, 2011, 09:30:56 PM
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I have absolutely no ideas about this kind of glass at all. I'm aware it is probably not a 'name' since it isn't signed, but other than that I have no ideas at all about where it may be from, or how it was made. It is satin glass with the enamelled picture on top (is it cold enamelled?). I've tried to include close ups to show the enamelling/painting - it is quite flat and glossy on the surface in parts specially the tree trunks and then the snow is thickly done and raised off the surface quite a lot.
I found one vaguely similarish with a woman on the front on the Great Glass site under Legras (last vase under that category) and another on there that also is a woman and snow scene but looks quite different in terms of colour to mine, but other than that nothing.
http://www.great-glass.co.uk/library/lib3a.htm
I don't think it is new :-\ It seems to have a large pontil mark area and is ground on the base rim to sit flat....I think. It has a sort of crimped rose bowl type rim.
I'm not bothered whether it is posh or not - I just love it especially now I've got it illuminated, but I'd like to try and learn something from it.
Any thoughts you are willing to share very gratefully received :sun: and thank you.
m
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more pics
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There is a similarish one here signed JEM - perhaps that is what mine may be?
http://cgi.ebay.fr/VASE-DECOR-NEIGEUX-VILLAGE-NEIGE-JEM-LEGRAS-/180696418079?pt=FR_JG_C%C3%A9ramiques_Verre&hash=item2a1258871f
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Not my area of expertise but aesthetically your knocks hoops of that Crimebay piece!
It is almost certainly enamelled. Quickest way to check is to try and flake the design with a needle, discretely of course! Enamel will not flake, cold decoration will.
A gorgeous find.
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Legras would be a most believable attribution.
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And enamelled rather than cold painted I think. In cold painting, you can see the brush marks in the thicker bits as two dimensional lines rather than just lines. The reheating of enamelling makes them sort of slump into a single plane IYSWIM. In cold painting even the thin bits have an edge you can detect with your nail; these edges are much less apparent in enamelling. Enamelling is also much more common in my experience (3 cold painted to c.18 enamelled).
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Good morning m, what a wonderful vase....at first I though Daum, but I would have expected it to be signed on the base......so I am with Ivo here....Legras seems like a good bet, and I have seen some similar on the web......Googling throws up some very similar, but I am sure you have already done that. Is there any chance that there might be a signature 'hidden' in the design?
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:) thank you all so much for your lovely comments.
Well having had my confidence boosted (I didn't want to count my chickens) I looked further using searches in French rather than English.
I've posted two more pics of my vase. The first showing the gloss of the enamelling (I'm now sure it is enamelled as I remembered a small enamelled burmese vase I had a while ago and the effect is very similar. I remember also being confused about that one for a while as well). And once I then had the confidence to actually clean and wash the vase I discovered that it is internally ribbed - the second photo attempts to show this and hopefully you can see the faint shadows of the ribs. It's come up beautifully now it is cleaned :sun:
I keep meaning to add sizes - it is 24.7cm tall (9 3/4") by about 9.5cm widest (3 7/8")
What I have found so far makes me think it could be Legras on balance of probability, at the moment -
- The basic shape of the vase seems to be one they used,
- I have found the 6 crimp rim on some of their squat rose bowl type vases and also on a couple of tall versions combined with what appears to be the ribs.
- I've found a biscuit barrel id'd as Legras, that appears to be quite similarly decorated to my vase, in one of the Musee although the picture they give doesn't blow up which is irritating.
- I've now found a few vases that appear to be on the same kind of uncoloured satin ground as my vase, all appear to be dated from about 1870 to 1900.
llinks here
On the first link you will need to scroll down quite far but there is a very similar vase there which I think is signed
http://vienslechercher.com/
http://www.tourism-lorraine.com/en/pagetouristique.asp?IDPAGET=758&sX_Menu_selectedID=
Thank you again :sun:
m
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:thud:
http://www.icollector.com/DAUM-LEGRAS-ARTGLASS-VASE-WINTER-SNOW-LANDSCAPE1259345_i6415822
m
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I've asked Mike Moir to have a look at this vase M. He's vastly knowledgeable about this type of glass, so his opinion would be useful. :) :)
http://www.manddmoir.co.uk/
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Thank you Max :)
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http://www.icollector.com/DAUM-LEGRAS-ARTGLASS-VASE-WINTER-SNOW-LANDSCAPE1259345_i6415822
m
Thats the very one that made me think it might be Daum, m!!!!
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Rosie I think that one is unmarked or they can't have seen a mark but it appears to the same vase as the one I linked to in the previous post which I think is marked or seems to say it is marked?
m
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hi
sorry I'm away at the moment and have only limited internet access
but when Max asks so nicely who am I to stay silent!
I've started many emails like this:
Supposedly in the 1930s the were around 100 enamelling houses sometimes called 'finishing houses' in and around Paris and barely a quarter of them ever signed their work. So this is not an exact science.
This image originated with Daum -but it is not Daum -not good enough quality
Major copyists that signed were Legras, Joma and Jem
This is however quite good quality - In balance I'm going to agree with the running consensus
unsigned or lost signature Legras
It is a legras shape (I think) -alas being away form home I don't have my reference books to hand.
Legras signatures and heavy snow did not mix (they signed them before the snow was added and often the signature was completely obitorated)
Nice piece
cheers
mike
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As I was posting Mike you posted :) thank you so much. I really do appreciate it. I was just about to say I've found a couple more things -
I've found a better picture of the biscuit barrel that can be enlarged without losing too much resolution if you press Control and the += button on the keyboard. I thought I'd include that for reference or just interest although I think it translates as saying that is unsigned? - scroll down to the glass pics and it is in the top row or should be
http://www.monthureux.fr/legras.htm
I also found what I think is a picture of the shape of my vase. From what I have found on the net, I think it is on page 109 of Verrier Legras the book on Legras glass. It is only 15.5cm high but the descriptor says Vase ovoide a godrons which I think??? means a vase with ribs, which my vase also has. Mine is taller than this but the shape and relative proportions of the vase seem the right form at least to my unknowing eye.
Not conclusive but at least I've found a similar shape now as well as something approaching the style of the decoration :-\
I have read through all your posts and previous posts on this or similar subjects, so I had become aware of the variety of possibles as you mention ;D - mind you I'm having a great time searching and looking at all the wonderful cameo pieces and feeling green with envy.
thank you again
m
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Mike, thanks for taking time out from your stall at the NEC to give your expert opinion on this vase. :kissy:
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Max, Ivo, Mike, many thanks again :sun:
I just wanted to correct my reference above, the book reference I saw is here (see link below) and having had another look ( now it isn't late at night :-[ ), I was referring to the vase that seems to be plate 109 on page 196 of the book Legras Verrier.
http://books.libertys.com/en/sold-books/lib3930/legras-verrier-comprehensive-illustrated-catalogue
m