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Title: Origins of this kuttrolf?
Post by: Ana_2704 on July 31, 2011, 11:50:09 PM

Hi this is my first time posting on this forum so I hope this works.
I found this kuttrolf decanter in a second-hand shop in California, USA. It is clear non-lead glass and has a prominant pushed-up pontil. It has some small potstones and some bubbles. It is missing the original stopper. It came with a tag that stated it was from the early 1800's. Any thoughts? Any info would be greately appreciated :)
Thank you!

Title: Re: Origins of this kuttrolf?
Post by: ahremck on August 02, 2011, 06:03:37 AM

This is a typical Holmegaard "kluk-kluk" decanter - minus the stopper.  They have been making them forever it seems.  Yours looks to be fairly modern - but the picture makes it hard to tell.  To be sure it would need a white background. 

Older glass generally has a browninsh tinge, older crystal is usually slightly grey,  clear glass is comparatively modern.  It appears to be clear so I would say it is fairly modern.

Ross

Title: Re: Origins of this kuttrolf?
Post by: Ana_2704 on August 02, 2011, 07:02:34 AM

Hi and thank you for your input! :)
Here is a picture of the bottom. It has a very prominant pontil. The modern ones that I have seen all have polished pontils, and this one has a rough pontil so I know it is not a modern example. I'm going to go with 1880-1900 but I could be wrong. The tag that came with it said "early 1800's." Do you know if Holmegaard ever made "Kluk Kluk" decanters without polished pontils?

Title: Re: Origins of this kuttrolf?
Post by: ahremck on August 02, 2011, 07:12:01 AM

It may be older - I am not an expert on Holmegaard - try the following site.  Peter Harder will usually answer a polite query and he is as good as you are likely to get.

http://www.HarderNet.dk   A great Holmegaard & Danish glass site

The photo still is way too blue - this is because the light under the eaves of a house IS blueish.  Blue light bends more than red so more blue light gets under the eaves - simple Physics.  You need to take photos with a white background out in the "open", but it is probably better to be out of direct sunlight.

Ross

Title: Re: Origins of this kuttrolf?
Post by: chriscooper on August 02, 2011, 03:09:08 PM

This old post maybe helpful, see them  with the 'kicked' out base with Silver rims and collars with British hallmarks from around the early 1900s quite regular at shows and in antique centres,  yours looks like it may be that style. maybe someone removed the collar and stopper for obvious reasons.

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,3991.0.html



Chris

Title: Re: Origins of this kuttrolf?
Post by: Ana_2704 on August 06, 2011, 02:18:45 AM

Thank you for the photo tips! I agree Ross, the light is too blue. The photo makes it look like it has a blueish or greyish cast, but it is clear glass. It was just so hard to find a good spot that was free of clutter, haha. Thank you also for the link to Harder's site!

Thank you Chris for the link to the older post! I have seen some of those as well, with the silver collars all dating between 1880's-1950's, which made me think mine dates somewhere between 1880-1900. I don't think mine ever had a silver collar though.