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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Sue C on August 03, 2011, 10:18:49 AM
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Hi all, can anyone help me with this bowl? it is two inches deep and eight inches across, and although it look's amber it glows a very bright green under UV light
Thanks in advance x
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Reijmyre I think.
I have something similar http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1137
and so do Steven and Ivo, scroll down http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,42182.msg234627.html
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Yes definitely. These are from Reijmyre, Sweden. It is a factory design, meaning there is no individual designer name to be had. Produced in the 1930s.
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Thank you Christine and Ivo :-* although the second link you provided Christine brought me straight back to my dish ??
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Oops, too may windows open http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,32632.0.html
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In our gallery we have a patent for this design...[LINK REMOVED]...so why does a Swedish plate have a US patent? :huh:
Janice
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To protect the importer from the ruthless local copycats of course.
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I have also seen stemmed ware with the lion image on the stem. It was made the the same company. There are at least two different sizes of bowls and two different sizes of plates, and two different sizes of stemware. I have a single plate in this honey amber uranium glass, diameter is 7.5 inches. --Dave Peterson
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This morning I received an update from a correspondent (Mariehem) in Sweden on Collector's Weekly.
Five months ago I had some research I'd done on the lion's head:
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/26684-reijmyre-sweden-artdeco-vaseline-lion-he?in=activity
I'd gone no further until the reply this morning:
"Referring to a brand new article, written by Börje A Y Åkerblom in the Swedish magasin Antik & Auktion nr 2 Feb. 2012, the plate with the lion is produced at Pukeberg Sweden and the creator is Jules Henri Venon.
Venon emigrated to US from France in the end of 20th century. Venon started in 1910 to take patent on a lot of glass ware. He imported a lot of glass ware from Sweden, starting with Reijmyre and then Pukeberg. Later on Venon cooperated with a lot of the glass companies in Sweden f. o. Alsterbro glasbruk, and Kosta.
Here are some facts of the Patent for the Lion:
Jules Henry Venon filed Patent on this Plate and similar articles in March 26, 1927
And I think he had got the patent at June 12, 1928
Venon Plate Design Patent D 75535-1
I think you may find this, if googling for some of these facts.
Many years ago I got the plate “Lion” as a heritage from a brother to my grandfather.
My plate is made of clear glass I am very happy to know the facts of it now, as I have not found anything about it before.
I had gotten similar information from the net and had proposed a suggestion for the designer if it were indeed Pukeberg.
This was my earlier post:
"Hi Susan! As you know I hit a wall with the idea of Reijmyre. But in my research on Jules H. Venon I came across some other pieces that he also patented around that period. It seems he made annual visits to Europe on buying expeditions.
I found an adddress and details for him noting that he sold out of a shop :
43 to 51 W 4th St, New York, NY
o Sole Agency in North America for:
? China by Charles Martin, Limoges France
? China by Kornilow Bros, St Petersburg, Russia
? Gustafsberg fabrics, Gustafsberg, Sweden
? Kosta Glassware, Kosta, Sweden
But in one of the patents applications is a vase/glass pattern called Soldfjader (United States design patent number 72,506 by J.H. Venon April 19, 1927.) It can be found on the site :
[LINK REMOVED]
There has been discussion on the net and on GMB about this pattern. It seems that it is now accepted as a Pukeberg piece designed by their designer of those days: Harald Elof Notini (1879 - 1959).
So I went looking for items by Notini. Few itemsare documented on the net except for this Soldfjader or "fan" pattern.
I also had another look at the lion. Was it a cat or a lion? I looked at gryphons, St Mark's winged lion and finally did a google search of "pukeberg lions" and bingo!
There are quite a few mentioned with titles like "roaring lions"and "lion heads".
I have sent some emails to these sellers asking for any documentation they might have. As yet no replies, but I will let you know when they arrive.
And I've seen that Ivo believes it is Reijmyre and not Pukeberg.
So Pukeberg or Reijmyre. Designer unknown, but could be Harald Notini if it's Pukeberg.
The people who know of this plate are collectors of "vaseline glass".
Notini also designed lamps for Böhlmarks which are worth a look!
I've read that the Pukeberg Museum has reference to the "roaring lion plate".
When I come across more I'll let you know."
I've contacted Börje A Y Åkerblom in Sweden about the article and my idea of Harald Notini.
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Another myth down. I was informed it was Reijmyre on the Swedish glass board Antikprat or Precis en San and had no reason at all to disbelieve it. So we change it to Pukeberg no problem.
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Hi Ivo!
Mariehelm also added :
"About your question if BAY mentioned Notini, I have to say no. There is nothing about Notini in this article.
As I can read in the article, Venon started to have Reijmyre to produce his glass, with Venon's patterns.
When Venon got knowledge that Reijmyre was closed down in 1926 he immediately asked Pukeberg to buy all the American glass forms and all other accessories and go on producing the glass wares. He also suggested Pukeberg to employ the glass blowers from Reijmyre.
The management of Pukeberg did their best to fulfil Venons request. Venon found that now it was the right moment for Pukeberg to enlarge their production for the American market with further models of glass. During years 1926-1929 Pukeberg made a lot of glass for this marked and even published several export catalogs."
I'm reminded of a phrase I came across: "Reijmyre glassworks usually likened to a cat - it's said that it has nine lives."
Since operations began in 1810, the story alongside the successes sometimes characterized by closures and restructurings. "
Last year marked its 200th year anniversary.
An important closure came in 1926 when the plant went bankrupt.
It really didn't resurface until 1932 with a new ownership of Gustaf E. Nilsson of Lotorp .
Jules. H . Venon had a series of patents issued during this period. In each case he signed as the 'inventor' of the design.
According to the US Patent Office: Jules Henri Venon was born Ronen (sic), France 21 APR 1871. (Perhaps Ronen is a mistake and should be Rouen.)
The following site shows some of the glass and the patents that were sold through his shop located 43-51 West 4th Street, New York. Later he had shops on Fifth Avenue and in Los Angeles as well. NY. [LINK REMOVED]
The patent for the cat plate plate appears on page 3.
I believe he owned the patents for these items. But was he their designer? Probably not; it might have been possible to buy them after the bankruptsy in 1926.
At the Patents Office he signed as the 'inventor' of the cat plate.
I remember from my research that Venon made annual buying trips to Europe Between 1902 and 1922, Jules applied for 9 renewals of his passport to make his annual buying trip, typically of 3 month duration, to numerous named countries abroad. On each application, he stated that he was the president and buyer of his firm, J. H. Venon, Inc., importer of china & glassware, located 43-51 West 4th Street, New York, NY.
What it highlights is the role of the importer.
Venon's timing was important in his success.
He needed to be there as well.
He provided impetus for the restructuring and development of Pukeberg.
regards
Kevin Gummer
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What we need is catalogues. On the basis of this information, it is possible the design was made by Reijmyre before 1926 and Pukeberg after.
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I agree.
I visited the site of Börje A Y Åkerblom and he has some intersting material there.
http://www.bayakerblom.se/Dokumentation.html
Björkå glasbruk 1872 - 1962
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Målerås glasbruk 1924 -
I think he has sveral copies of both Pukeberg and Reijmyre catalogues.
I believe he is a consultant too!
regards
Kevin G.
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This has been and still is fascinating to me, thank you all.
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Hi Susan! Following on from yesterday I had contact with the Swedish correspondent who came back with another comment:
"Here you can find a pitures of another of those items in a Swedish forum.
I really love it. There are a lot of his pieces in the magasin who are absolutly adorable.
http://precisensan.com/antikforum/showthread.php?31921-Glas-fr%E5n-Pukeberg&highlight=Pukeberg
There is also my pictures of my plate with the Lion.
I myself had the same questions that you mentioned about the possibility that Venon owned the patents, but had bought it from some other designer.
Perhaps will we never know the fully thruth about it, but for now it will be known as Venons design."
I replied:
Thanks for that reference Mariehem.
I think I recognise the glass at the top of the page.
I think that the glass pattern's name is SOLDJADER – fan pattern. 72506-1
I think the Swedish term used in the article is Snäcka.
As I said before most of the people who have some knowledge about Venon are collectors of 'vaseline glass'.
On Collector's Weekly there is a movement for the collecting of glass that glows under 'blue light'. This plate will also give that glow.
Venon patented that glass too! .... 72506-1.
The pattern has a variety of names for collectors in the US especially it is called: Turkey, Tracks, Fan, and even Pukeberg!
There is a copy of the basic pattern and the US patent at this address:
[LINK REMOVED]
At the same address you will find the drawing and US patent for your plate as well:
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The patent is the next image.
There is also an image of a lion glass that I have not as yet seen other than this image:
[LINK REMOVED]
Note the dates of the patent is in 1927, June 21.
This is a year earlier than the patent application for your plate on June 12, 1928.
You can see quite a nice collection of the 'vaseline glass' pieces here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/auggiearniethom/2923301772/
I don't have any myself. I have not yet been able to get a lion's head plate, but I would certainly like one.
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I received a further comment from Mariehem on Collector's Weekly today:
"Scandinavian pieces, Susan, ventraio50 and all others who are interested in this glass,
Sent a mail to Börje A Y Åkerblom (BAY) with our questions and today he kindly answered me.
BAY is a well-known expert of Swedish glass .
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He wrote that it is not easy to find exactly facts of old Swedish glass. Therefore, he says, we have to provide that Venon is the designer as he was the one who asked for the patents and no one else is mentioned.
BAY also said that at Pukeberg´s factory today there is no one who has the fully knowledge about the old glass and you can even find some wrong facts in their description of their showed old collection.
About H. Notini he said that Notini essentially was designing armatures for Pukeberg. Moreover glass pieces that for sure are of Notini´s design have quite another style. Therefore BAY thought Notini did not have anything to do with this the design of these pieces.
Sorry if I express myself in a funny way or maybe rude. It is not easy for me to discuss in your language. ?"
I replied: Hi Mariehem! Many thanks for your contributions, expressed so well in English. I just wish that I had such facility with Swedish.
It looks like the importer gets the credit for the design?
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Mariehem also added this comment :
"I made som changing of the name of my album, as I put in pictures with another vase that I don´t know the designer of. That caused a new name of the album.
The new link is:
https://picasaweb.google.com/109222458807469199256/VenonGlasPukebergOchDiverseAnnat?authkey=Gv1sRgCO2bo5LXnJuhDg
The photos include some interesting new additions to "Venon's work" including two wine glasses:Starkvinsglaset Lejon & Vinglaset Sjöjungfrun
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Hi, sorry for the late reply, for some reason my email alerts are not working.
I have to thank you for all the hard work you have put into researching this topic and for all the new information useful to all of us i think.
Also, i would love a set of those glasses !!!
Thank you so much :kissy: