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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on August 09, 2011, 02:08:36 PM
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Have a distinct feeling that this is not what I first thought it might be - which was that underneath the dirt there lurked a piece of Scottish glass. The almost peacocks feather swirling of bluey - blackish - reddish blotches led me astray. After cleaning, the inside of the bowl appears too clean and scratch free, and the foot rim should have more wear if the piece had any real age - so I think it is modern - although shape wise it does have a pre war look. The bowl appears to be cased in clear both sides of the colouring, and I think the black foot is also cased in clear, but not easy to see. Height is about 5.5" and diameter is something like 8.5". No marks that I can find, and I'm now really lost as to what its origins might have been, so grateful for any help or suggestions please :)
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What a delightful piece of glass. :hiclp: :hiclp: :hiclp:
It surely reminds me of Vasart/Monart but has nothing on the Ysart glass site anything like it. It will be intersting to see what Frank and Kevin H think. Irrespective I reckon you have a cracking purchase.
Ross
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thanks for your positive thoughts Ross :) - but I guess I should have realized that the black pedestal foot was not quite right - however, you're quite right, it is indeed attractive. What do you think of a Czechoslovakian origin - might that fit in with the black foot - just a suggestion you understand. :)
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Have you considered Graystan?
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I did look through Hajdamach's C20 Glass, Miller's and 'British Glass Between the Wars', but came away thinking that was not the right road to go down. Regrettably, the inside of the bowl looks far too clean and unmarked to have been around long enough to be Graystan - but I'm the least knowledgable person in that area, so anything is possible. Usually, when arriving home and cleaning a dirty piece of glass, the decades of wear become apparent - but with this piece it has only made it look a lot younger. :-\
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Paul it reminded me of a vase I have that I am pretty sure is Czechoslovakian, either Kralik or Welz, however having checked the foot, it is hollow, and part of the vase, i.e. has a base to it, not a rim on the base if you see what I mean. It is not applied which yours is. But the decor looked vaguely similar in style.
It doesn't look right for Graystan to me :-\..the foot doesn't look right specifically, but I can't comment on the decor.
m
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thanks m...........I was really taking a bit of a flyer on the Czech. comment.........however, there was some logic in my thought, insofar as if you look through Ruth A. Forsythe's book, black is a colour that the pre 1940 Czech. factories used not infrequently for stems and feet - plus some of the external decoration. There is arguably some similarity, again with Czech. material, in the type of colour decoration of my bowl........this almost 'spatter/swirl' effect of distributing the colour thoughout the glass. However, I'm still having trouble with the fact that my piece looks a tad too clean, but suppose it might have been little used. (unfortunately there are a couple of flea bites on the rim).
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Just wanted to say: What a lovely bowl, Paul! :mrgreen:
Perhaps the lack of wear supports my own theory: grime and dust is great for
preventing your items to get scratched... ;D
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:hi: Paul,
lovely, although not 'my' corner of interest
Does it glow?
:sm:
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I'd steer completely away from anything to do with the Ysarts, Nazeing, Grey-Stan or Schneider - it's not decorated in any sort of style similar to any of them.
I think it looks fairly new. I may be completely wrong. :thup:
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I think it looks quite new as well to be honest.
I was going to do a link as I keep seeing vases with a kind of mottled decor subtle browns with thick trails etc and I saw one on ebay with a 'Reni' label. However I looked them up and I think they are an importer based in Essex if I remember rightly, which didn't help with where the glass was made. I wonder if your piece is Romanian maybe?
m
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thanks for all comments :) - I had already checked Pamela, and can confirm absolutely no 'glow' - and would agree, it does look rather new to me as well. Bit of a puzzle really - someone has gone to a fair amount of creativity to produce this 'new' piece'.
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What are the top and bottom rims like? (I think "new" is the wrong way to go)
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well shucks, I do apologize Christine - bad form not to have described both rims :-[. Both have been ground and slightly bevelled, and additionally the top rim is lightly polished.
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Paul, is there any chance of a straight side on view, showing the actual shape 2d as it were and showing one of the pulls in the decoration front on?
Not sure I can be of any help but I'm curious to see this shot of it if you have time.
m
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It surely reminds me of Vasart/Monart but has nothing on the Ysart glass site anything like it. It will be intersting to see what Frank and Kevin H think.
Ross
For the record, I have asked Kevin H what he thinks and he says that as far as Monart and Vasart go, he only knows a bit about paperweights; vases or bowls like this are not his thing. But, being pushed, he did say, "hmmm, interesting". ;D
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if I understand you correctly m, I think you are asking for what, in technical drawing lessons at school, we used to call a 'front elevation' (i.e. square on from the front) - so here it is..........plus a couple of close ups of two different 'pulls' :)
Whilst I know less than nothing about Scottish glass, Kevin, I still don't think this has the right 'feel' - and by that, in particular, I'm thinking of wear and the type of foot. But as I say, I would defer to others who may consider otherwise.
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Certainly not North of Hadrian's Wall laddie :sc: I would definitely cross the channel too :fr: then work your way East but don't discount Israel.
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I'm going to have to start carrying a map with me at all times... ;D
m
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no one spotted the deliberate mistake then..............how can you have the front elevation of something that is round - :pb:
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By definition. This is the front :tsk:
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Quite right - a "front" is whatever you say it is on the Technical Drawing (one of the few O Levels that I managed not to flunk!) ;D
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Me too Kevin, only one I got an 'A' for too :D
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well, I 'plan' to view this issue from the 'side' lines ;).
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I'm glad your keeping it in perspective 8) Paul.
Ross
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Has this thread been hijacked by being 'sidetracked'? :thud:
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Rosie gets her O level
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Oh Frank....how kind....... and there was me thinking I had earned a degree. :cry:
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Don't quite get your angle Rosie, are you being obtuse?
Meanwhile no further thoughts on the bowl...
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Don't quite get your angle Rosie, are you being obtuse?
So are you awarding me more than 90 degrees after all Frank??